yep the IPP fails at trying to emulate the Surface Pro line. The IPP lacks so much functionality and versatility it not a close race.
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Surface Pro 4 vs iPad Pro and the future of pro tablets
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Which would be good if the card slot worked and wasn't plagued by issues which Microsoft still hasn't resolved. Don't expect it to go to sleep.
They've all been fixed, save for the sleep bug. This is what MS apologized about recently.
Yeah, I don't think so. Does the dock work reliably driving multiple screens yet? Can it drive 2x 4k monitors as promised?
Problems are still prolific enough that when someone gets one that is working reliably, it's still news on the Surface sub-reddit.
The latest graphics update even brought the display driver crashing to my SP3.
Don't need to. I've been there experiencing them alongside everyone else. The first week I owned my SP4, I had to be very careful to avoid some specific things to keep the screen from going green tinted, or crashing the GPU. It was a pain in the ass, to say the least.
Now? Everything's going fairly well for it. I've had a couple of problems with the sleep bug, but it's hardly a show stopping issue.
Okay, maybe there's more going on than I'm aware of.
Which is weird, because it finally stopped for me. I seriously think it's an issue more to do with Edge than the GPU by this point, since it's the only place it ever rears up.
Wow did you really make that statement?
That was a dumb statement....what rock did you craw out from under to make that?
The IPP has to be hard booted after being charged all night.
Oh the IPP sleeps.....then doesn't wake up.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205648
During the first month of roll-out, while everyone was struggling with the release bugs, I was pretty happy I'd stuck with my SP3 since it's what I rely on for work. I didn't have a single crash of any sort until the update that supposedly fixed all the new devices. Now Edge crashes somewhat regularly and I've even had a blue screen or two for the first time in the year plus I've had the SP3.
If I were in your place, I'd try rolling the update back, and reinstalling it. I know from personal experience with my Surfaces that sometimes those firmware updates can be goofy.
The reliability was enough to make me sell my SP3. Reinstalled it more times in a month than I had reinstalled my macs in 8 years
I didn't get an apology for the SP3 or the issues I had with Windows 10. They haven't even bothered to respond to our companies letter of complaint for all the SP3 issues we had.
Well no surprise here then, I could see this thread spiralling into a spit for spat Apple VS Microsoft thread.
Wow did you really make that statement?
That was a dumb statement....what rock did you craw out from under to make that?
The IPP has to be hard booted after being charged all night.
Oh the IPP sleeps.....then doesn't wake up.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205648
Wow. One issue? Hold me back.
Look at the list of issues on the SP4 and Surface Book.
I went back from one device (SP3) to two devices because the SP3 was too unreliable for business.
Have you had both? I doubt it.
Irony of course is that those that are arguing the loudest are likely neither surface pro or iPad pro owners. Those that have them are just using them for whatever reason they bought them, rather than arguing the toss over the merits of either ....
Here at work Managing Director and above all have a SP3 and funny thing is....they manage to work just fine. Go figure.....maybe your issues were user error.
Then look at the forums here on MR...every single product has people reporting issues....funny how that works.
Have a look at the Surface Forums and you'll see plenty of issues, plenty of people who have taken their devices back.
Which explains why all the consultants of ours have them, because it's just me. And I am the managing director at our company so I made the decision to roll out the SP3's to the consultants because I wanted to save the consultants having to carry multiple devices for travel. I thought Microsoft wouldn't have many issues because they had control over hardware and software. Guess that was mistaken logic. Want me to send you the receipts as proof?
My business partner is a windows fan and just got himself the SP4...surprise surprise, he is having issues. Pen arrived DOA. Having scaling issues with his two external displays and those aren't even 4K ones.
In most companies with a managed IT, IT can control how updates go out to users to prevent problems. If you don't have a managed IT to control updates, you don't get to test them first so the consultants get them straight away, along with the problems that go with it.
If you want a list of my issues on the SP3, here they are:
Had to reinstall twice since W10 came out, search was maxing out the processor for a minute making the machine non-responsive (I have a screen cam if you want it). I have never had to reinstall OSX.
We issue wifi 4G modems to all our consultants because they are mobile. Different models of Netgear. Microsoft issued a firmware update to fix Wifi and broke the access to the modems. That was two months ago, Microsoft still haven't fixed the issue. The modems work on all other windows and mac laptops we have tried.
Outlook 2016 kept crashing when you lost internet connection, which would eventually cause the DB to get corrupted and have to rebuild. Why did we keep losing connection? because consultants have to tether phones and because they are in a customer office, when they receive calls they have to go into a private room. When that happens, outlook crashes (see above)
OneNote 2016 doesn't work properly with the SP3. Every 10th letter it just doesn't write. Extensive complaints about the issue on reddit
External Display issues – While Windows 8 was virtually unusable with external displays without changing your display settings every time, Windows 10 is a definite improvement and is usable, but if you are constantly connecting to external displays, you are likely to find yourself having to restart your machine on a regular basis as unplugging the machine isn’t always seamless. I.e. one in every four disconnections was my experience. If you move around, connection to projectors in meetings and then shift back to your desk, this will be a major annoyance. If you plug in for an entire day or don’t unplug regularly, this probably won’t be as big an issue.
Restarts – Other than the display issue, I found myself restarting on a regular basis. Sometimes once a day, sometimes more than once.
Hard Drive issue – The Surface Pro 3 hard drive had some issues with SSD speed. I found the source of the problem which relates to firmware on the drive but Microsoft tie down the OS so you can only apply firmware fixes approved by Microsoft. I.e. you can’t update the graphics card driver unless Microsoft releases the update. This would be great if Microsoft did the updates, unfortunately they haven’t so you’re stuck with crappy performance despite the Oct 2014 release date of the fix by Samsung. Yup. 1 year later MS is more focused on the SP4 than existing users who may just have dumped their product as a result.
Search was dismal. Results were not great compared to spotlight which resulted in me having to buy X1 to cater for the bad search capability.
My Surface Pro 3 had an issue with not switching off. It would either lose about 15% per day (while off) or I would get home and find it red hot. I would find myself boarding 4 hour plane with zero battery and no option to do work on my flight. Long term, this will result in battery issues. Most companies (like MS) won't do a battery replacement on a device with 300 cycles or more because its seen as normal use where the excessive cycles are as a result of their issues. Time will tell whether that happens, but after 300 cycles, your battery will be at 50% of actual. Besides that, the battery life was way off what MS actually promise. You can complain about Apple but at least their battery estimates are accurate, not marketing bull.
Default installation of Win10 cost me a fair amount when they decided to setup torrenting of updates to other users out of the box. Found the problem, but not before it cost me and blew all of our consultants data caps. Not sure who the idiot in MS was who decided to switch that on by default.
The list goes on...all of these were after the Win10 upgrade...say what you want about the iPad Pro, lacking functionality etc, but when I switch it on, it works. I'd rather have a device with limited functionality and have to pull out my laptop for heavier functionality than have something that is too unreliable for business use.
You're late to the party since Intel already released an updated graphics driver to resolve wake from sleep and SD slot works fine because I've had a card in mine since day one. SP4 issues have been software which is fixable unlike hardware issues on iPP such as permanently broken SD card slot, not charging under load due to deficient 12W charger, speaker distortion at high volumes, LCD with yellow whites, bending along gap between batteries, etc.
It's an unsupported feature Apple threw in with the iPP. Thing is, you have to use a Dremel tool to get access to it.
Really? At least a quick Googling didn't reveal anything about such a thing. Granted, I didn't check iFixit's teardown yet. Provided it's there, it makes me wonder whether it's that hard to access due to its poor reliability.
Nothing in the teardown, nice try though