The Car Thread ... !

[bunnspecial]

Older ones, yes. Expecially, the riced ones.

Riced cars don't count for anything. Most of the aftermarket systems I've seen in these don't do much more than crank up the bass to obnoxious levels anyway.

Factory car audio quality in new cars has come a long way, but I do still have to say that I think the THX-certified system in my LS still holds its own. IMO, the biggest advancement in newer cars has been reduced cabin noise-something that an aftermarket system really can't overcome.

 

[2298754]

Older ones, yes. Expecially, the riced ones.

Your Daewoo is riced out. Remember that.

So you are telling me This:

Looks better than This:

Exactly. The bottom one looks like aftermarket crap.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Riced cars don't count for anything. Most of the aftermarket systems I've seen in these don't do much more than crank up the bass to obnoxious levels anyway.

Factory car audio quality in new cars has come a long way, but I do still have to say that I think the THX-certified system in my LS still holds its own. IMO, the biggest advancement in newer cars has been reduced cabin noise-something that an aftermarket system really can't overcome.

The only problem with that, is automakers are all about doing everything as cheaply as possible. You rip the door panels off a 2015, you will most likely find weak-ass dirt cheap paper cone speakers.You can drastically improve factory stereo systems by upgrading the speakers. Yes, automakers may provide sound packages, but you could do it yourself, Stereo (if desired),amp, speakers, you will most likely improve your sound quality for a fraction the cost of what the dealer addon will cost you.

 

[2298754]

The only problem with that, is automakers are all about doing everything as cheaply as possible. You rip the door panels off a 2015, you will most likely find weak-ass dirt cheap paper cone speakers.You can drastically improve factory stereo systems by upgrading the speakers. Yes, automakers may provide sound packages, but you could do it yourself, Stereo (if desired),amp, speakers, you will most likely improve your sound quality for a fraction the cost of what the dealer addon will cost you.

TIL, stock speakers from a 2001 Daewoo are made of platinum, not cheap paper. There are no signs of blatant cost cutting in the entire automobile.

 

[AustinIllini]

The only problem with that, is automakers are all about doing everything as cheaply as possible. You rip the door panels off a 2015, you will most likely find weak-ass dirt cheap paper cone speakers.You can drastically improve factory stereo systems by upgrading the speakers. Yes, automakers may provide sound packages, but you could do it yourself, Stereo (if desired),amp, speakers, you will most likely improve your sound quality for a fraction the cost of what the dealer addon will cost you.

Spoken like someone who hasn't sat in a modern car.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Your Daewoo is riced out. Remember that.

Apparently, you're clueless to what "Rice" means.

Exactly. The bottom one looks like aftermarket crap.

you bitch alot, you know that?

TIL, stock speakers from a 2001 Daewoo are made of platinum, not cheap paper. There are no signs of blatant cost cutting in the entire automobile.

That statement had NOTHING to do with Daewoo at all.

Spoken like someone who hasn't sat in a modern car.

Yes, I Have.

You guys aint even car enthusists anyway, stop nipicking, bitching/moaning, and knock those that are. Check out dedicated car fourms, you will see how one-sided and close-minded you people are about cars.

 

[2298754]

Apparently, you're clueless to what "Rice" means.
.

I think everyone has the same definition of rice, but you.

Pointless LED lights, pink shift knob and pedals, seat covers, hideous aftermarket head unit... All count as rice.

You guys aint even car enthusists anyway, stop nipicking, bitching/moaning, and knock those that are. Check out dedicated car fourms, you will see how one-sided and close-minded you people are about cars.

Oh man. This is hilarious coming from you.

You have no authority to call the rest of us "fake" car fans.

Before you de-railed this thread, the rest of us were perfectly getting along and talking about cars we love and enjoy.

 

[AustinIllini]

Oh man. This is hilarious coming from you.

You have no authority to call the rest of us "fake" car fans.

Before you de-railed this thread, the rest of us were perfectly getting along and talking about cars we love and enjoy.

It is rice, but if RICE stands for Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement, flower pedal seat covers on a 2000 Daewoo Leganza are MICE. I'll let you imagine what the M stands for.

 

[MatthewLTL]

I think everyone has the same definition of rice, but you.

Pointless LED lights, pink shift knob and pedals, seat covers, hideous aftermarket head unit... All count as rice.

No, Rice is Appearence mods to a car to make it LOOK fast, A wing spoiler on a Civic is rice A lowered Civic is rice, LED Lighting and interior appearance mods, are not rice. You just proved you have no clue what you are even talking about.

Oh man. This is hilarious coming from you.

You have no authority to call the rest of us "fake" car fans.

Before you de-railed this thread, the rest of us were perfectly getting along and talking about cars we love and enjoy.

I never said fake, I stated one-sided and close-minded.
Talking about cars is one thing, but knocking people who mod their cars, something MOST die-hard enthusiasts do, makes you out to be a huge buttstick

 

[MatthewLTL]

just to get people off my back disabling my airbags are perfectly legal. HERE is the specific law:

Originally Posted by NHTSA
The need to alter or remove federally required safety equipment poses a problem because there is a statutory provision prohibiting making such features inoperative (49 U.S.C. section 30122).1 While that prohibition does not apply to vehicle owners, it does apply to modifications made by the types of commercial entities that modify vehicles for persons with disabilities.

AND:

Originally Posted by NHTSA
Sec. 30122. Making safety devices and elements inoperative

a. DEFINITION In this section, "motor vehicle repair business" means a person holding itself out to the public to repair for compensation a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment.

b. PROHIBITION A manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business may not knowingly make inoperative any part of a device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in compliance with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter unless the manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or repair business reasonably believes the vehicle or equipment will not be used (except for testing or a similar purpose during maintenance or repair) when the device or element is inoperative.

c. REGULATIONS The Secretary of Transportation may prescribe regulations

- 1. to exempt a person from this section if the Secretary decides the exemption is consistent with motor vehicle safety and section 30101 of this title; and

- 2. to define "make inoperative".

d. NONAPPLICATION. This section does not apply to a safety belt interlock or buzzer designed to indicate a safety belt is not in use as described in section 30124 of this title.

It says nothing about the vehicle owner - it only specifies "manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business."

There you have it, now leave me alone.

 

[barbu]

Having lurked this thread for a while, and getting much enjoyment, i have to say: i have come to suspect that @MatthewLTL and his grandpa are the same person! Either that or he is a highly gifted performance artist. Keep up the good work! Daewoo forever!

just to get people off my back disabling my airbags are perfectly legal. HERE is the specific law:


AND:

It says nothing about the vehicle owner - it only specifies "manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business."

There you have it, now leave me alone.

Your insurance company might have something to say about it.

 

[2298754]

Your insurance company might have something to say about it.

He doesn't believe in airbags or insurance.

 

[D.T.]

you bitch alot, you know that?

You guys aint even car enthusists anyway, stop nipicking, bitching/moaning, and knock those that are. Check out dedicated car fourms, you will see how one-sided and close-minded you people are about cars.

Well you asked him and/or asserted aftermarket looks better than OEM, he simply replied - and again, you have a misaligned response. I don't get it.

Anyway ...

Not car enthusiasts? Now that is funny

Let's see:

I started this thread
I've been into cars since I started collecting Hot Wheels at about 8 or 9 years old, in fact, now I collect 1/12th scale models
I've owned, tuned, built, raced all sorts of different cars: domestic, Japanese, German - I have been featured on car sites, magazines, helped to write install manuals for parts
I spend an hour or more a day on various car sites/blogs, chats with my buddies who are also very hardcore car enthusiasts
I've purchased cars through factory delivery, started a car on the line, been to car related museums
I have a room full of car related trophies from shows, I've coordinated and helped manage cruise-ins, shows, rallies
I attend race events like the 24 Hours of Daytona
I even have car related signs in our _kitchen_

It would be in your best interest to occasionally listen to me and some of the other +real+ car enthusiasts in this thread

 

[AustinIllini]

Forum Reset time:

Some Mustang speculation

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-mach-1-model-and-10-speed-automatic-for-2018

Shelby, Boss, Mach 1, Bullitt. No model on the market celebrates its history more than the Ford Mustang. Ford is about to release the Shelby GT350 and GT350R Mustangs, promising that the R will be the best Mustang track car ever. And if a report from Automotive News (subscription required) is correct, a Mach 1 edition Mustang will return for the 2018 model year. That report also states that the 2018 Mustang will get a new front fascia and the 10-speed automatic transmission Ford has been working on with General Motors.
Ford last offered a Mach 1 Mustang for the 2003 and 2004 model years. Highlighting that car was the dual-overhead cam 4.6-liter V8, which upped horsepower to 310 from 260 in the single-overhead cam 4.6. The car also came with 13-inch Brembo front brake rotors, Tokico gas shocks and struts, lower and stiffer springs, anti-lock brakes, comfort-weave-style leather upholstery, and a functional hood scoop.

The Mach 1 package made its debut on the 1969 Mustang and continued through 1978. The 1969 Mach 1 came standard with a 250-horsepower 351-cubic inch V-8 and buyers could opt for the 390 or 428, with horsepower rising as high as 360 with the Super Cobra Jet. It also featured the competition suspension, chrome steel wheels, and color-keyed dual racing mirrors, and it was only offered in the Sportsroof (read: fastback) body style. The GT option was dropped after 1969, with Mach 1 effectively taking its place.

The larger 1971-73 Mustangs and the smaller 1974-78 Mustang IIs were also offered as Mach 1s, with performance gradually dwindling.

The 10-speed automatic should also see duty in Ford pickups and next-generation Lincolns, basically anything with big V-8 or twin-turbo V-6 power. Based on the struggles today's 9-speed automatics have had, we can't imagine adding any more than 10 gears. Let's hope (and expect) that 2018 Mach 1 will also offer a manual.

Any thoughts on this? I just worry the more automatic speeds a car has, the closer it is to a CVT, which is awful.

 

[2298754]

Wasn't there rumors of the next gen Raptor having a 10 speed or something?

On the topic of the Mustang, I really want Lincoln to steal that platform and make a sports sedan from it.

 

[bunnspecial]

Wasn't there rumors of the next gen Raptor having a 10 speed or something?

On the topic of the Mustang, I really want Lincoln to steal that platform and make a sports sedan from it.

If I could give this post a dozen likes I would.

For the time being, I'm still holding onto Lincoln's last "Luxury Sport" sedan(141,000 miles and going strong).

For all the brand rebuilding that Lincoln has been doing and trying to make themselves "hip", it kills me that they no longer have a proper RWD sedan or coupe.

 

[barbu]

If I could give this post a dozen likes I would.

For the time being, I'm still holding onto Lincoln's last "Luxury Sport" sedan(141,000 miles and going strong).

For all the brand rebuilding that Lincoln has been doing and trying to make themselves "hip", it kills me that they no longer have a proper RWD sedan or coupe.

It would be interesting to see a modern interpretation of the old Mark coupe line with a 5.0 Litre.

 

[puma1552]

OK tough guy, how about this

[Convertibles]
2015 GT Premium vs. 11/12 GT500?

'15 $3K-4K less than an '11, $7k-8K vs. a '12

2015/6th Gen
Newer
Indie rear
Better electronics and [much better] interior

2011/2012 5th Gen GT500
Shelby/Unique model variant
115 more HP that's [easily] tuned to 215 more (435 vs. 550 or 650-ish)

This is tough, but I have to lean towards the new car, even though I'm not a huge fan of the new car. It's tough to argue with new, especially when shopping performance cars. The new car does have a better interior and tech, but it's not like the Shelby exactly has a bad interior either, albeit it is a little lacking in the tech department. Shelby will hold value better, but the new car will be a better driver, especially since you are shopping convertibles which tells me you aren't trying to get every ounce of performance out of it.

Honestly if you are shopping verts, it tells me you want a low maintenance toy that has some get up and go. The '15/'16 fits the bill perfectly. Brand new, full warranty, not ragged on, better tech and interior, plenty of power - you really can't lose with the new car here.

 

[bunnspecial]

It would be interesting to see a modern interpretation of the old Mark coupe line with a 5.0 Litre.

I've always liked the concept of the Mark coupes, and the Mark VIII is actually a pretty decent mid-90s vehicle despite the fact that I'm not crazy about the styling(and the half hearted attempt at the "Continental Hump").

I've love to see them re-invent the LS, though.

 

[bunnspecial]

And, on a completely unrelated note I took this car on a long test drive last weekend, and I think I've fallen in love.

The driving dynamics are-of course-a lot different than the 3 series I've been looking at, but there's a lot to like about it. Since it's a true GT, it rides very nicely but at the same time handles great. The steering is a lighter than on a 3 series, but at the same time it's very responsive and overall just fun to drive.

Ari and I have been discussing British cars for a while, and I think this may be a good entry for me for a car that actually ranks fairly high in reliability, has an engine with which I'm familiar(the AJ-V8 that's also in my LS), and brought a smile to my face when driving it.

It's for sale privately, and I'm debating about tactfully approaching the owner and telling him that his price is too high. I'm going to give him another week or two, and probably just go over with $7K(a little over KBB value for an '01 with 50,000 miles) in $100 bills in my pocket and count them out on the hood. I've found that to be a surprisingly effective strategy, as many folks won't turn down a cash-in-hand offer on something.

 

[D.T.]

The newer one. The interior and electronics are really important for long term enjoyment, IMHO.

This is tough, but I have to lean towards the new car, even though I'm not a huge fan of the new car. It's tough to argue with new, especially when shopping performance cars. The new car does have a better interior and tech, but it's not like the Shelby exactly has a bad interior either, albeit it is a little lacking in the tech department. Shelby will hold value better, but the new car will be a better driver, especially since you are shopping convertibles which tells me you aren't trying to get every ounce of performance out of it.

Honestly if you are shopping verts, it tells me you want a low maintenance toy that has some get up and go. The '15/'16 fits the bill perfectly. Brand new, full warranty, not ragged on, better tech and interior, plenty of power - you really can't lose with the new car here.

Yeah, that's almost word-for-word what my buddy said (the recent owner of the '11 GT, now with the '16 C7).

The Shelby is cool from a historical standpoint, but those little snake badges are costly You're right on, this is like a "performance family cruiser", I'm too old to street race so it doesn't have to be the fastest car at a redlight, since I don't daily drive, the only time we really go out is as a family, and with my little one in the car, you can bet I dial things way back (I have a funny story about my Z06 + baby ).

You know, the newer style has really grown on me - like most cars, when you see one lowered, a nice set of wheels it looks way better than the 4x4 V6 models with skinny tires

I'm going to give him another week or two, and probably just go over with $7K(a little over KBB value for an '01 with 50,000 miles) in $100 bills in my pocket and count them out on the hood. I've found that to be a surprisingly effective strategy, as many folks won't turn down a cash-in-hand offer on something.

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[63dot]

I saw parts of a local car show recently which is often what many do in the summer and I saw, for the first time, a dedicated McLaren car with it's own logo, that little red triangle thingy.

Past McLarens I have seen have been streetcar level Mercedes (affordable yet still very, very expensive) or some in the paper which were Honda McLaren hybrids (totally not street legal and not affordable in this universe) on the local race track. I couldn't find a definitive answer on this but is McLaren a separate company, division of Honda, partner of Honda just for race cars, or could McLaren work with anybody?

 

[yg17]

I saw parts of a local car show recently which is often what many do in the summer and I saw, for the first time, a dedicated McLaren car with it's own logo, that little red triangle thingy.

Past McLarens I have seen have been streetcar level Mercedes (affordable yet still very, very expensive) or some in the paper which were Honda McLaren hybrids (totally not street legal and not affordable in this universe) on the local race track. I couldn't find a definitive answer on this but is McLaren a separate company, division of Honda, partner of Honda just for race cars, or could McLaren work with anybody?

McLaren is it's own company. They produced the F1 back in the 90s - it was at the time the fastest production car. They worked with Mercedes to do the McLaren SLR, but they also still build their own cars, including the P1, which costs over a million dollars and I'd give my left nut to drive around a track for a few hours.

 

[AustinIllini]

McLaren is it's own company. They produced the F1 back in the 90s - it was at the time the fastest production car. They worked with Mercedes to do the McLaren SLR, but they also still build their own cars, including the P1, which costs over a million dollars and I'd give my left nut to drive around a track for a few hours.

Right, McLaren is a bit like a latter day Ferrari. Bruce McLaren founded them more recently than Enzo Ferrari founded Ferrari.

 

[D.T.]

Did you guys read about the McLaren that got creamed by a train a month or so ago? It was on the back of a transport, the truck got stuck on the tracks at the crossing, sure enough, here comes a train. Nobody was hurt, apparently the car was being transported to a McLaren service center (probably Miami) - it happened about 1/2 a mile from my Mom's house - all those track crossings have a steep dropoff on one side, so a long trailer can bottom out at the middle (like a teeter-totter).

Owned by some doctor in the area. That probably wasn't a pleasant call to make _or_ receive