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jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Omg get real. The height is the only thing that matters. That is why so many people are mentioning it. The height is of great importance when you have the phone in the pocket. Especially when you are sitting down, bending over, cycling etc.

It is even more important here, as a 5.5" phone by todays standards should not be massive. In fact, 5.5" is a quite pocketable phone - if done right that is. Look at the size of LG G3.

We all know it deep inside. The iphone 6 plus is embarassing.

Ahh, yes. The one dimension that fits with your narrative is the other one that matters. Ok.
 

GummiBjorn

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Nov 3, 2013
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Agree with you on some points. But also add to the mix the Note 4 has the S-Pen. So the body and weight are designed to account for the storing of the stylus into the phone. I think that is a key element that is missing from this discussion. Remove the S-Pen and the weight drops (not by much) and the body could be made thinner as well. So the N4 adds more functionality at a very small weight and thickness addition. Now because of the design and materials of the IP6..........who would use it without a case? That aluminum is going to scratch very easily. So slap on a case and it adds weight and thickness.

That's true, the display of the Note 4 is also bigger. But for me, 5.5" is big enough.. already struggling with one hand use. The one-hand functionality on the iPhone 6+ is genius and I wish that the Note series would have had something like that since the beginning... :mad: But now for sure Samsung will copy it as they do with everything Apple (or taking inspiration as they say). Adding a case to the iPhone 6+ will make it larger, but so will it with the Note 4. So depending on if you do use cases or not, is up to you. The Note 4 will also be easily scratched, the soft backside will be prone to tearing and smudges. Although you could replace it for a cost.

My choices was between iPhone 6+ and the Note 4. I'm definitely more interested in the iPhone. I'd rather buy a Note 8.4" tablet with S-Pen and amoled screen. I'm sure those will come soon.
 

bnmcj1

macrumors 6502
Apr 13, 2014
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Ahh, yes. The one dimension that fits with your narrative is the other one that matters. Ok.

No. The height was the reason I sold even note 3, but that is also a 5.7 inch phone. It is sbout 15 cm. When you add 2 cm for the jack + bended cable you have 17 cm then. That is just 1 cm too long to be ok for cycling (for me). Therefor, the height really matters. Every inch.
 

clevin

macrumors G3
Aug 6, 2006
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Ahh, yes. The one dimension that fits with your narrative is the other one that matters. Ok.

lol, you need a study to tell you people don't look at the side of the phone all the time? or pocket-ability depends on height more than thickness?

Are these alien theories that are so hard for you to understand?
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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lol, you need a study to tell you people don't look at the side of the phone all the time? or pocket-ability depends on height more than thickness?

Are these alien theories that are so hard for you to understand?

Nope....just that "ZOMG ITS SO MUCH BIGGER" doesn't really convey what the above poster was saying.

I appreciate his explanation.

Now as for the thinness and width....how do you grip/hold a smartphone? So less width allows for your hand to reach and grip/hold the phone more firmly, as does reducing the thickness allowing for you hand to have less "bulk" to have to cover.

So you see, while height may be important for some (like the chap who bikes, very understandable example), the thickness and width can be equally as important as those affect holding the device - which is something that's done fairly often with devices like these....

Also - I challenge you to stick a brick in your pocket and tell me thickness doesn't have SOMETHING to do with it....

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No. The height was the reason I sold even note 3, but that is also a 5.7 inch phone. It is sbout 15 cm. When you add 2 cm for the jack + bended cable you have 17 cm then. That is just 1 cm too long to be ok for cycling (for me). Therefor, the height really matters. Every inch.

Gotcha, complete understandable.
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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No. The height was the reason I sold even note 3, but that is also a 5.7 inch phone. It is sbout 15 cm. When you add 2 cm for the jack + bended cable you have 17 cm then. That is just 1 cm too long to be ok for cycling (for me). Therefor, the height really matters. Every inch.

What and how are you riding and where?

I did 20 miles cross country on my Rocky Mountain hardtail last weekend with an iPad Mini on my back

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Omg get real. The height is the only thing that matters. That is why so many people are mentioning it. The height is of great importance when you have the phone in the pocket. Especially when you are sitting down, bending over, cycling etc.

It is even more important here, as a 5.5" phone by todays standards should not be massive. In fact, 5.5" is a quite pocketable phone - if done right that is. Look at the size of LG G3.

We all know it deep inside. The iphone 6 plus is embarassing.

The depth and width have a far greater impact on how a device feels in the hand. Doubly so when talking about big phones.

Hence first impressions being "It's big, but feels pretty good."

And considering Apple sells 4 different models of iPhone in 3 sizes, people can buy what fits them most.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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What and how are you riding and where?

I did 20 miles cross country on my Rocky Mountain hardtail last weekend with an iPad Mini on my back

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The depth and width have a far greater impact on how a device feels in the hand. Doubly so when talking about big phones.

Hence first impressions being "It's big, but feels pretty good."

And considering Apple sells 4 different models of iPhone in 3 sizes, people can buy what fits them most.

That's quite subjective. A longer phone is worse to me because when I sit down it's going to dig that much more into my hip when it's in my pocket. A wider or thicker phone won't have as much impact. I also can't see the slightly narrower iPhone being more functional in the hand, it's still a large phone which will be hard to reach all the way across with, that's why they copied, erm um I mean incorporated the UI that shrinks down so you can do exactly that, use one hand.
 
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Cnasty

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Jul 2, 2008
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I would love to see the IP6+ next to the OnePlus and benchmarks too....
Then see which one has better build materials. Which one will be more resistant to scratches and so on....

I would be as well as most major tech reviewers do those types of reviews and build specifics.

Maybe I am having newbie love but this phone for its size is the most easily handled 5.5 inch device Ive used with what it packages.

Heard the G3 is the same
 

MacNut

macrumors Core
Jan 4, 2002
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Comparing specs between iPhone 6 and Android phones is stupid. The only thing that should matter is what OS do you like better. The sizes don't matter anymore.
 

Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
Simple: Buy and enjoy your barely smaller (not really) android phone that is going to be glitchy and deliver a terrible user experience in comparison to iOS.

Thanks for my daily chuckle. Please continue to comment on things you know nothing about.
 

Rangomango

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Jun 25, 2012
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That's true, the display of the Note 4 is also bigger. But for me, 5.5" is big enough.. already struggling with one hand use. The one-hand functionality on the iPhone 6+ is genius and I wish that the Note series would have had something like that since the beginning... :mad: But now for sure Samsung will copy it as they do with everything Apple (or taking inspiration as they say). Adding a case to the iPhone 6+ will make it larger, but so will it with the Note 4. So depending on if you do use cases or not, is up to you. The Note 4 will also be easily scratched, the soft backside will be prone to tearing and smudges. Although you could replace it for a cost.

My choices was between iPhone 6+ and the Note 4. I'm definitely more interested in the iPhone. I'd rather buy a Note 8.4" tablet with S-Pen and amoled screen. I'm sure those will come soon.

First bold part, Samsung had one handed mode since the Note 3, and it seems better than apple's take so far (Need hands on time with apple)

Second bold part, Tearing and smudges?? None of samsung's phones have ever had these problems...where did you get this from?

And even if replacing the back has a cost, its still replaceable, whereas apple you have to live with any scratches.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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First bold part, Samsung had one handed mode since the Note 3, and it seems better than apple's take so far (Need hands on time with apple)

Second bold part, Tearing and smudges?? None of samsung's phones have ever had these problems...where did you get this from?

And even if replacing the back has a cost, its still replaceable, whereas apple you have to live with any scratches.

Wait how did I miss that? Does he really think Apple invented the one hand mode and that Samsung is going to copy it?!?!

Also the Note 3's backside is VERY tough. I use mine naked and I abuse it, not a blemish or scratch on it. It provides superior grip, lets me go without a case, and best of all if I do trash it I just buy another one. It's just my opinion but the Note 3's back is far superior to the iphone's 5s back, and I'll predict the Note 4>ip6+ when they are released.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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Wait how did I miss that? Does he really think Apple invented the one hand mode and that Samsung is going to copy it?!?!

Also the Note 3's backside is VERY tough. I use mine naked and I abuse it, not a blemish or scratch on it. It provides superior grip, lets me go without a case, and best of all if I do trash it I just buy another one. It's just my opinion but the Note 3's back is far superior to the iphone's 5s back, and I'll predict the Note 4>ip6+ when they are released.

I've seen Samsung's one-handed mode in use. Two different ways to accomplish the same task. Samsung scrunches everything to one side or the other while Apple opts to move everything down to the bottom.

Based on the fact that the 5.5" 6+ is 4.5mm taller but 1mm skinnier (width wise) and 1.5 mm thinner than the Note 4, it would seem both companies' implementations make sense for their own dimensions.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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I've seen Samsung's one-handed mode in use. Two different ways to accomplish the same task. Samsung scrunches everything to one side or the other while Apple opts to move everything down to the bottom.

Based on the fact that the 5.5" 6+ is 4.5mm taller but 1mm skinnier (width wise) and 1.5 mm thinner than the Note 4, it would seem both companies' implementations make sense for their own dimensions.

Yeah it will be interesting to see it in practice. I have fairly large hands, but my thumb still doesn't make it all the way across my Note so I think their method of going down and to the side is superior. But I haven't had an ip6+ in my hand yet so I can't say that with true experience.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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McKinney, TX
Yeah it will be interesting to see it in practice. I have fairly large hands, but my thumb still doesn't make it all the way across my Note so I think their method of going down and to the side is superior. But I haven't had an ip6+ in my hand yet so I can't say that with true experience.

Personally? If I'm buying a device with a 5.5" screen, I'm making a conscious choice to forgo one-handed use for the larger display.

Glad Apple (and Samsung) thought to add that feature for those that may use it. But its really not a big deal IMO.
 

Cryates

macrumors 68040
Nov 19, 2013
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Thanks for my daily chuckle. Please continue to comment on things you know nothing about.

I've had the HTC Thunderbolt, Droid DNA, Galaxy S3, Galaxy S4, Note 3 and HTC M8 so I have had plenty of poor experience with Android offerings.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
Personally? If I'm buying a device with a 5.5" screen, I'm making a conscious choice to forgo one-handed use for the larger display.

Glad Apple (and Samsung) thought to add that feature for those that may use it. But its really not a big deal IMO.

Yeah but why handicap yourself? One handed use is feasible, at least on the N3 that I own. The realities of life still dictate that I use my phone one handed very often during the day. It's not the end all for me either, but it's definitely a much appreciated feature.
 

GummiBjorn

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Nov 3, 2013
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Yeah no I thought Samsung's solution was pretty bad. I don't want a smaller screen on my 5.5" display. I just want to occasionally reach the top quick and then fast back into normal viewing mode. I never used that feature, I just adjusted my hand instead.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
14,725
13,245
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That's true, the display of the Note 4 is also bigger. But for me, 5.5" is big enough.. already struggling with one hand use. The one-hand functionality on the iPhone 6+ is genius and I wish that the Note series would have had something like that since the beginning... :mad: But now for sure Samsung will copy it as they do with everything Apple (or taking inspiration as they say). Adding a case to the iPhone 6+ will make it larger, but so will it with the Note 4. So depending on if you do use cases or not, is up to you. The Note 4 will also be easily scratched, the soft backside will be prone to tearing and smudges. Although you could replace it for a cost.

My choices was between iPhone 6+ and the Note 4. I'm definitely more interested in the iPhone. I'd rather buy a Note 8.4" tablet with S-Pen and amoled screen. I'm sure those will come soon.

Samsung already have one handed use on the note. Maybe you didn't like it or find it useful but it's there. Pretty rich to moan about Samsung taking inspiration/copying when the iPhone 6 and it's iOS 8 has taken a lot of inspiration from other handsets over the past 2 years.

And the aluminium back was prone to scratches, so much so that Apple stopped making the black version after scuff gate on the iphone 5.

Get the iPhone 6 plus, sounds like it will make you happy.

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that Note 3 gesture takes two hands though, making it pretty much useless, since you'd only really want to do it quickly and simply when you don't have two hands available. the 6+ allows you to just double tap the home button.

It's useless because Apple didn't think of it.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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129
McKinney, TX
Yeah but why handicap yourself? One handed use is feasible, at least on the N3 that I own. The realities of life still dictate that I use my phone one handed very often during the day. It's not the end all for me either, but it's definitely a much appreciated feature.

Agreed. Just stating that, for me, I'm making the decision (concession) that one-handed use will not be the main way I interact with the device.

I could be wrong though. I've never owned a device larger than a Nexus 5 ( which I can comfortably use one-handed). Perhaps I'll adapt and surprise myself.

Just saying - I'll be going into the purchase expecting to need two hands a vast majority of the time.
 

Bacong

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Mar 7, 2009
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Samsung already have one handed use on the note. Maybe you didn't like it or find it useful but it's there. Pretty rich to moan about Samsung taking inspiration/copying when the iPhone 6 and it's iOS 8 has taken a lot of inspiration from other handsets over the past 2 years.

And the aluminium back was prone to scratches, so much so that Apple stopped making the black version after scuff gate on the iphone 5.

Get the iPhone 6 plus, sounds like it will make you happy.

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It's useless because Apple didn't think of it.


that's not what I said at all. I don't particularly like Apples solution either.
 

hot spare

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Aug 22, 2011
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Apple's one-hand method is a cluster ****. It shrinks the app to half height! Who the hell thought about that?

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Lovely part is that you probably have to use it 3 times to get it working once. Other time you may be kicked to the home screen.

Some nice dude mentioned this just as a new feature that is there to make sure if you really want to shrink the app or not. something like this:
-do you want to shrink the app?
yes
-are you sure?
yes!
-pinky promise?
shrink the ******** app already!
-ok!! gosh, here you go
 
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