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GummiBjorn

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Nov 3, 2013
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Apple's one-hand method is a cluster ****. It shrinks the app to half height! Who the hell thought about that?

A cluster****? It's brilliant. Two easy taps and it brings down the entire screen for easy reach to the top, click whatever you have to and done, back to normal mode. That's genius. But with Samsung... way too complicated. Weird swipe, shrinks down the whole screen, still have too adjust hand to reach the top, you could re-shrink it, but then all the icons will be much smaller and touch accuracy will decrease. But hey, if you like it...
 

ritholtz

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Apr 7, 2014
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Apple's one-hand method is a cluster ****. It shrinks the app to half height! Who the hell thought about that?

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Lovely part is that you probably have to use it 3 times to get it working once. Other time you may be kicked to the home screen.

Some nice dude mentioned this just as a new feature that is there to make sure if you really want to shrink the app or not. something like this:
-do you want to shrink the app?
yes
-are you sure?
yes!
-pinky promise?
shrink the ******** app already!
-ok!! gosh, here you go

With my kid upto pinky promise is not enough. I have to "cross my heart" as well.
 

TheHateMachine

macrumors 6502a
Sep 18, 2012
846
1,354
Yeah no I thought Samsung's solution was pretty bad. I don't want a smaller screen on my 5.5" display. I just want to occasionally reach the top quick and then fast back into normal viewing mode. I never used that feature, I just adjusted my hand instead.

According to hot spare's post and gif you aren't going to be doing any of that really quickly!

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Lovely part is that you probably have to use it 3 times to get it working once. Other time you may be kicked to the home screen.

Some nice dude mentioned this just as a new feature that is there to make sure if you really want to shrink the app or not. something like this:
-do you want to shrink the app?
yes
-are you sure?
yes!
-pinky promise?
shrink the ******** app already!
-ok!! gosh, here you go
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
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Apple's one-hand method is a cluster ****. It shrinks the app to half height! Who the hell thought about that?

Image

Lovely part is that you probably have to use it 3 times to get it working once. Other time you may be kicked to the home screen.

Some nice dude mentioned this just as a new feature that is there to make sure if you really want to shrink the app or not. something like this:
-do you want to shrink the app?
yes
-are you sure?
yes!
-pinky promise?
shrink the ******** app already!
-ok!! gosh, here you go

I don't think either Samsung's or Apple's solutions are terribly useful but then again, if one of your primary concerns is using your phone one-handed, then the Note 4 and 6+ probably shouldn't be on your short list of phones.

I'm considering a 6+, knowing full well that it's less than ideal for one-handed use.
 

weespeed

macrumors 6502
Jul 9, 2010
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A cluster****? It's brilliant. Two easy taps and it brings down the entire screen for easy reach to the top, click whatever you have to and done, back to normal mode. That's genius. But with Samsung... way too complicated. Weird swipe, shrinks down the whole screen, still have too adjust hand to reach the top, you could re-shrink it, but then all the icons will be much smaller and touch accuracy will decrease. But hey, if you like it...

So if you need to get to the far right you have to reach over. Hard using one hand. How will the dialer work? Shrink the dialer down then scroll down to get to the send and 0 button?

The Note 3 shrinks the screen down to the size of an iPhone 4, and I have never heard of anyone complain about one handed operation on the iPhone 4.
I use it all the time. Works for me.
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spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
that Note 3 gesture takes two hands though, making it pretty much useless, since you'd only really want to do it quickly and simply when you don't have two hands available. the 6+ allows you to just double tap the home button.

WTF are you talking about? With Samsung I do a quick swipe in and back out from one side of the screen, in experience you swipe about and inch or so, EASILY done with one hand even with the smallest of hands and you don't have to adjust your hand at all. You just swipe your thumb a bit and never lose control of the phone or worry about dropping it.

On the other hand with Apple you have to double tap the home button twice, meaning you may have to adjust your hand, or do it 2 handed, or balance the phone on your fingertips while your thumb reaches down. In addition it squeezes everything down but not at all to the side, so you still have the issue of not being able to use your thumb all the way across the width of the screen. With any of those scenarios you are balancing the phone and in danger of dropping it. Terrible implementation IMO.

The difficulty of reducing the screen size on the iPhone 6+ while using it one handed I think is eluding the imagination of some as they are not holding it in their hands. Heck their method is tough to do even on a 5s one handed!!
 

pdqgp

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Mar 23, 2010
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Nobody use their phones sideways and looking at the side all the time, now do they?

No but it doesn't make much sense to have a iP6+ that's not even a phablet with a stylus be taller and thus stick out the top of my back pocket even more than a true Phablet already does.

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lol, you need a study to tell you people don't look at the side of the phone all the time? or pocket-ability depends on height more than thickness?

Yes height matters more than thickness. Especially when the differences are what they are in these cases. One is hardly thicker than the other. but if you own a Note 3 like I do, you'll not at all be interested in a non-Phablet that's sticking out the top of a pocket even more.

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Yeah no I thought Samsung's solution was pretty bad. I don't want a smaller screen on my 5.5" display. I just want to occasionally reach the top quick and then fast back into normal viewing mode. I never used that feature, I just adjusted my hand instead.

I said the same thing until I had my left hand in a cast for 6 weeks. May be silly or as some would say a "gimmick" but I see it as at least they implemented something that does get some use.

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I look forward to lots of people complaining about the size of this phablet and likely returning it. This will likely be the most returned Apple product in history.

I look forward to hearing how a larger screen on a platform like a simple iOS platform phone is any more beneficial. I mean at least with a Note 3 or 4 you get the stylus to sign or mark up images, documents, screen shots, etc. I use that all the time and love having that capability on my laptop too. If you can't do that on an iPhone that would suck. Just stick with a 5s or the smaller iP6 if that's the case.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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I look forward to hearing how a larger screen on a platform like a simple iOS platform phone is any more beneficial. I mean at least with a Note 3 or 4 you get the stylus to sign or mark up images, documents, screen shots, etc. I use that all the time and love having that capability on my laptop too. If you can't do that on an iPhone that would suck. Just stick with a 5s or the smaller iP6 if that's the case.

How about just having more space to navigate? Same reason someone might choose an iPad Air over and iPad Mini, a 15" laptop over a 13" version, or a 27" iMac over a 21" model.

Seems pretty straight-forward to me. The stylus isn't the only reason to have a larger device.
 

weespeed

macrumors 6502
Jul 9, 2010
430
0
How about just having more space to navigate? Same reason someone might choose an iPad Air over and iPad Mini, a 15" laptop over a 13" version, or a 27" iMac over a 21" model.

Seems pretty straight-forward to me. The stylus isn't the only reason to have a larger device.

That would be true if the 6 could do something with that space on the home screens. Right now it's the same number of icons just blown up.

They did implement a landscape mode for the plus, like how the email has two panes now, which my Note 3 has been doing a while.

But other than that what use is that space if you can't do anything with it?
 

pdqgp

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Mar 23, 2010
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That would be true if the 6 could do something with that space on the home screens. Right now it's the same number of icons just blown up.



They did implement a landscape mode for the plus, like how the email has two panes now, which my Note 3 has been doing a while.



But other than that what use is that space if you can't do anything with it?


^^ this.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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That would be true if the 6 could do something with that space on the home screens. Right now it's the same number of icons just blown up.

They did implement a landscape mode for the plus, like how the email has two panes now, which my Note 3 has been doing a while.

But other than that what use is that space if you can't do anything with it?

Hey you always have more browser tabs so you can get your iPhone to force close the browser that much quicker.
 

weespeed

macrumors 6502
Jul 9, 2010
430
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Hey you always have more browser tabs so you can get your iPhone to force close the browser that much quicker.

If the rumors are true that the 6 only has 1gb of ram, I suspect there will be dozens of threads about the reloading tabs, crashing apps and low memory crash reporter logs. It'll be the iPad Air and rMini launch all over again.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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That would be true if the 6 could do something with that space on the home screens. Right now it's the same number of icons just blown up.

They did implement a landscape mode for the plus, like how the email has two panes now, which my Note 3 has been doing a while.

But other than that what use is that space if you can't do anything with it?

Who spends most of their time on the home screen? Even on my Android devices, it's never more than a quick glance at a widget.

I'm talking about in app navigation--web browsing, email, messaging, maps, calendar, Evernote, photos, information on the notification panel, games...I could go on and on as any number of apps will benefit from having more screen real estate.

You guys are really that short-sighted that you can't see past the home screen? Larger display devices are only useful if they have a stylus? That would eliminate most tablets on the market, included a great many of Samsung's own devices.
 

weespeed

macrumors 6502
Jul 9, 2010
430
0
Who spends most of their time on the home screen? Even on my Android devices, it's never more than a quick glance at a widget.

I'm talking about in app navigation--web browsing, email, messaging, maps, calendar, Evernote, photos, information on the notification panel, games...I could go on and on as any number of apps will benefit from having more screen real estate.

You guys are really that short-sighted that you can't see past the home screen? Larger display devices are only useful if they have a stylus? That would eliminate most tablets on the market, included a great many of Samsung's own devices.


Please tell me how the apps will be different between the iPhone 5,5c,5s, and 6? How will they be any different for the 6+ in portrait mode?

I haven't seen anything in ios8 that tells me it'll be any different. So you'll have apps with the same look just blown up. Wasn't that the knock on Android for many years!

The web browsing is a given that's why I'll never go back to a small screen. I brought up the home screen because that's where you should be able to make the most use of the larger screen. I know apple users will hate this, but widgets and large screens were made for each other.
On one of my home screens I have my fit bit widget that tells me how far I am at my goal. Next to it I have my thermostat widget that tells me what the temperature is at my house and I can adjust it to my liking.
Under that I have my gallery widget that cycles through photos of my son that gives me a smile every time I glance at it. Next to that I have my various news feed widgets.

On my next page I have my ip cam widgets that show me what's going on at my house. Etc, I could go on.

On the Note You have that ever wonderful split screen functionality between apps as well as the spen window.

Apple does not have any of this so yes it is wasted on iOS.
Not saying it's a bad thing. Big screen just for web browsing and media is worth it alone. Just making a point the way it stands on iOS, you're not getting much more out of the bigger screen than say Note.

Now if Apple allows developers to write apps differently between the 4,4s,5,5c,5s,6 and 6+ in portrait mode, you'll have the dreaded fragmentation issue that Apple users cried about Android for so many years.
 

jeffe

macrumors 6502a
Feb 17, 2008
601
50
Please tell me how the apps will be different between the iPhone 5,5c,5s, and 6? How will they be any different for the 6+ in portrait mode?

I haven't seen anything in ios8 that tells me it'll be any different. So you'll have apps with the same look just blown up. Wasn't that the knock on Android for many years!

The web browsing is a given that's why I'll never go back to a small screen. I brought up the home screen because that's where you should be able to make the most use of the larger screen. I know apple users will hate this, but widgets and large screens were made for each other.
On one of my home screens I have my fit bit widget that tells me how far I am at my goal. Next to it I have my thermostat widget that tells me what the temperature is at my house and I can adjust it to my liking.
Under that I have my gallery widget that cycles through photos of my son that gives me a smile every time I glance at it. Next to that I have my various news feed widgets.

On my next page I have my ip cam widgets that show me what's going on at my house. Etc, I could go on.

On the Note You have that ever wonderful split screen functionality between apps as well as the spen window.

Apple does not have any of this so yes it is wasted on iOS.
Not saying it's a bad thing. Big screen just for web browsing and media is worth it alone. Just making a point the way it stands on iOS, you're not getting much more out of the bigger screen than say Note.

Now if Apple allows developers to write apps differently between the 4,4s,5,5c,5s,6 and 6+ in portrait mode, you'll have the dreaded fragmentation issue that Apple users cried about Android for so many years.


Lets be honest tho, most people using a 6+ will be oblivious to the wasted space, as well as the functionality of an S-Pen, or the value of wireless charging, or the value of split screen, or a replaceable battery, etc..
 

mlody

macrumors 68000
Nov 11, 2012
1,625
1,236
Windy City
what amazes me is that Apple thickness measurements do not take into account the sticking out camera, but any other manufacturer (nokia including) provides thickness of their phones including any bumps etc. This alone pisses me off because apple acts like the camera bump does not exist.
With the ugly bands, I guess they are expecting everyone to use a case for their new phones - so much for all the thinness.
 

tjl3

macrumors 6502a
Mar 8, 2012
595
4
WTF are you talking about? With Samsung I do a quick swipe in and back out from one side of the screen, in experience you swipe about and inch or so, EASILY done with one hand even with the smallest of hands and you don't have to adjust your hand at all. You just swipe your thumb a bit and never lose control of the phone or worry about dropping it.

On the other hand with Apple you have to double tap the home button twice, meaning you may have to adjust your hand, or do it 2 handed, or balance the phone on your fingertips while your thumb reaches down. In addition it squeezes everything down but not at all to the side, so you still have the issue of not being able to use your thumb all the way across the width of the screen. With any of those scenarios you are balancing the phone and in danger of dropping it. Terrible implementation IMO.

The difficulty of reducing the screen size on the iPhone 6+ while using it one handed I think is eluding the imagination of some as they are not holding it in their hands. Heck their method is tough to do even on a 5s one handed!!

Someone is really grasping at straws. If you really have trouble tapping on the home button of an iPhone, I feel sorry for you. I'll agree that the whole one-handedness they keep touting is just old, dumb and needs to be forgotten.

If it really takes you that much effort to reach the home button on an iPhone 6+, it must take you a lot more effort to reach the home button on a Note 3. I mean I'm doing the same gesture right now on mine and it's fundamentally simple and easy to do...
 

Shuri

macrumors 6502
Nov 23, 2011
330
0
Someone is really grasping at straws. If you really have trouble tapping on the home button of an iPhone, I feel sorry for you. I'll agree that the whole one-handedness they keep touting is just old, dumb and needs to be forgotten.

If your life consists of sitting around all day thats fine, but stop telling other people how to use their phone: thanks. :rolleyes:
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,318
25,471
Wales, United Kingdom
So if you need to get to the far right you have to reach over. Hard using one hand. How will the dialer work? Shrink the dialer down then scroll down to get to the send and 0 button?

The Note 3 shrinks the screen down to the size of an iPhone 4, and I have never heard of anyone complain about one handed operation on the iPhone 4.
I use it all the time. Works for me.
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Can you fold the rest of the phone away (Note 3) so you can grip the phone for one handed use? I would imagine it is still difficult to hold a large device in one hand and focus your thumb in the bottom corner regardless of whether you can shrink the screen. I haven't tried of course, so could be wrong. :)
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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Someone is really grasping at straws. If you really have trouble tapping on the home button of an iPhone, I feel sorry for you. I'll agree that the whole one-handedness they keep touting is just old, dumb and needs to be forgotten.

If it really takes you that much effort to reach the home button on an iPhone 6+, it must take you a lot more effort to reach the home button on a Note 3. I mean I'm doing the same gesture right now on mine and it's fundamentally simple and easy to do...

I call complete and utter BS on this. Take a ip6plus sized phone and holding it with only ONE hand try to double tap the home button. You are not going to be able to do it without some kind of balancing act. I challenge you to dispute that. When you get your ip6+ upload a YouTube video of how you do it. Better yet why wait, grab a Note 3 or similar size phone and upload the video today.

I don't have that concern on my Note 3 with one handed use, without adjusting hand position on the phone, without reaching down to the home button with my thumb, I simply swipe in from anywhere on the side of the screen about an inch then back out and presto, I have an iphone 5 sized screen that can be used one handed in both the x and y axis. As for the home button, that's the beauty of Android, it's customizable. For example I can use Nova launcher and customize a custom gesture to mimic the function of the home button, or I can remap the buttons, there is a variety of customization possible to solve any problem.
 
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tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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Please tell me how the apps will be different between the iPhone 5,5c,5s, and 6? How will they be any different for the 6+ in portrait mode?

I haven't seen anything in ios8 that tells me it'll be any different. So you'll have apps with the same look just blown up. Wasn't that the knock on Android for many years!

The web browsing is a given that's why I'll never go back to a small screen. I brought up the home screen because that's where you should be able to make the most use of the larger screen. I know apple users will hate this, but widgets and large screens were made for each other.
On one of my home screens I have my fit bit widget that tells me how far I am at my goal. Next to it I have my thermostat widget that tells me what the temperature is at my house and I can adjust it to my liking.
Under that I have my gallery widget that cycles through photos of my son that gives me a smile every time I glance at it. Next to that I have my various news feed widgets.

On my next page I have my ip cam widgets that show me what's going on at my house. Etc, I could go on.

On the Note You have that ever wonderful split screen functionality between apps as well as the spen window.

Apple does not have any of this so yes it is wasted on iOS.
Not saying it's a bad thing. Big screen just for web browsing and media is worth it alone. Just making a point the way it stands on iOS, you're not getting much more out of the bigger screen than say Note.

Now if Apple allows developers to write apps differently between the 4,4s,5,5c,5s,6 and 6+ in portrait mode, you'll have the dreaded fragmentation issue that Apple users cried about Android for so many years.

In response to the bold text, from this article:

Apple has just announced from their iPhone event that all 1.3 million iOS apps currently available in the App Store will instantly work on the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 plus due to smart scalability. There will also be tools available to developers so they can customize their apps for a better experience on the larger screens.

Essentially this means that unlike the scaling issue iPhone 5 owners experienced with apps that weren't yet made for the larger screen, all apps will automatically scale to the correct resolution. If developers choose to use reachability features that Apple offers, they can do so for the larger models.

So yes, by default apps will just scale larger. However, developers will be able to customize the apps so that they offer additional functionality/layout/etc on larger sizes.
 
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