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Personally i think you should just buy the S4 and be done with it. Or not buy any phone at all cos boy you sound picky.

That, I am. There are a few things I dislike about the S4, too! -_-'

The value of the 64GB storage and HTC's $100 dollar trade-in program, and of course, the 14 day free return shipping and no restocking fee really sold me on the One. Much more so than the device itself, I have to admit. But I do want to give it a chance.

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Couch, might be time to step away from the computer and take some time off from reading the forums/boards. I understand one wanting to do thorough research before deciding to spend some serious cash on a smartphone but you my friend, are bordering on obsessive. You clearly have very specific wants/needs in a smartphone and I don't think anything short of a hands-on experience is going to convince you which device is better for you. Get the One, give it a thorough run through for 2 weeks and if it doesn't meet your expectations, return it and give the GS4 a spin.

I just thing reading every last post/comment/review isn't going to help you decide and will likely drive you a bit nuts. It took you actually test driving the iP5 to confirm it wasn't the device for you and I think you'd be best doing the same with these other 2 devices.

Just my observations and a friendly $0.02.

I respect that and appreciate the advice.

It was just a question.
 
Again, I'm trying to keep an open mind until I use the device for myself, but some of HTC's decisions feel like they're there just to buck the trend. Like why is the App Drawer scrolling up/down instead of paginated from left to right? I get that they don't value home screens as much and want to treat the App Drawer as more than just an App Drawer (allowing you to add folders within the Drawer, etc.) which is dandy, but why did you have to make it scroll up/down? I am genuinely asking. Is there a reason for this other than just to be different from what Android is today?

I think we're really talking about preference, nothing more, because I see no advantage to having it one way or the other. As daneoni mentioned, I also actually prefer the vertical scroll, can scroll through the apps much faster (one single scroll vertically vs. many horizontally), is one of the reasons I prefer using Nova as it allows you to select either method.

Likewise, I'm really turned off that you can't customize wallpapers and the dock straight from the home screen; that you have to go into the Settings and Personalization menus or the App Drawer first. That's extremely unintuitive. Why make things harder to do, HTC? What are you, Apple?

Agreed, but is it really that big of a deal? How often are you changing your wallpapers and is the extra couple of touches really that arduous, even if you're changing it one a day? Again, want it differently, use a launcher like Nova. Come on Couch, the freedom of Android, as you love to tout. Mountain out of a molehill in my opinion.

And of course, I've already said this a bunch of times, the reconfiguration of the home button at the bottom for no reason other than to fit a logo is so bothersome. Just the principle of it is enough to turn me off. Every review has said it takes some degree of getting used to. And you can see it reflected in this video. Most reviews have also said the power button on top is a little difficult to reach one handed.

Just a thought but what if this had previously been the norm and all of a sudden they decided to change it to say, how it's done on the Nexus (back, home, task switcher)? Would you be complaining just as much? Simply because it's different? Why aren't you complaining so much about the position of the back button on Samsung devices, because it's on the complete opposite side from Nexus devices? Come on now, give us a break. Yes, placing the non-functioning HTC logo in the center is a waste but my guess is you'll use it for a bit and it'll become muscle memory, just as the Nexus configuration was previously.

Argh. Trying to keep an open mind because I really want to like this obviously gorgeous device! But HTC ain't making it easy.

Couch, you need to have an open mind, change isn't really as difficult as you're making it sound. And again, thanks to the flexibility of Android, there's almost always a way to change it. ;)
 
If couch doesnt changes hes phone 3 more times this year im gonna eat my hat :p

Well you can bet it won't be to an iPhone 5s ;)

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I think we're really talking about preference, nothing more, because I see no advantage to having it one way or the other. As daneoni mentioned, I also actually prefer the vertical scroll, can scroll through the apps much faster (one single scroll vertically vs. many horizontally), is one of the reasons I prefer using Nova as it allows you to select either method.



Agreed, but is it really that big of a deal? How often are you changing your wallpapers and is the extra couple of touches really that arduous, even if you're changing it one a day? Again, want it differently, use a launcher like Nova. Come on Couch, the freedom of Android, as you love to tout. Mountain out of a molehill in my opinion.



Just a thought but what if this had previously been the norm and all of a sudden they decided to change it to say, how it's done on the Nexus (back, home, task switcher)? Would you be complaining just as much? Simply because it's different? Why aren't you complaining so much about the position of the back button on Samsung devices, because it's on the complete opposite side from Nexus devices? Come on now, give us a break. Yes, placing the non-functioning HTC logo in the center is a waste but my guess is you'll use it for a bit and it'll become muscle memory, just as the Nexus configuration was previously.



Couch, you need to have an open mind, change isn't really as difficult as you're making it sound. And again, thanks to the flexibility of Android, there's almost always a way to change it. ;)

Ya. The post was more about sense 5 than the device itself.

I'll definitely load up nova or apex if I can't get used to sense.
 
Ya. The post was more about sense 5 than the device itself.

I'll definitely load up nova or apex if I can't get used to sense.

You really should give flashing custom ROM's a try when you get the chance. Considering you would like to have your device 'just a certain way', I'd guess you'd have some good luck finding what you're looking for (or go crazy trying every custom ROM out there trying to find just the right one ;)).

If you do get the chance, try out Paranoid Android--my absolute personal favorite. Allows for simple toggling to expanded desktop and offers a really cool PIE control that hides when not in use. Also, having the ability to customize app layout/size/color it awesome. And as it's based of AOSP, it's looks nearly like stock Android.
 
You really should give flashing custom ROM's a try when you get the chance. Considering you would like to have your device 'just a certain way', I'd guess you'd have some good luck finding what you're looking for (or go crazy trying every custom ROM out there trying to find just the right one ;)).

If you do get the chance, try out Paranoid Android--my absolute personal favorite. Allows for simple toggling to expanded desktop and offers a really cool PIE control that hides when not in use. Also, having the ability to customize app layout/size/color it awesome. And as it's based of AOSP, it's looks nearly like stock Android.

I've heard and seen great things about paranoid android. Also happens to be the name of one of my most favorite songs. ;)

Will paranoid android be ready for the htc one very soon? As in 14 days soon???

Also I'm on a Mac and my understanding is flashing roms on a Mac is slightly harder initially?

I'd love to give roms a shot. If I can gesture up from the htc icon (ala the blackberry z10) to go back home I could forgive htc for reconfiguring the layout. :)
 
Home button arrangement is a Google approved thing IIRC that HTC is getting unnecessary flack for.

Where is the direct evidence linking Google to this? Look at Samsung phones, they have a dedicated menu button. Unless you have direct evidence saying otherwise, it seems to me that HTC is the only one to blame.
 
Good video. Is there a way to map the shutter button for the camera on the volume rocker ala iPhone?
 
I've heard and seen great things about paranoid android. Also happens to be the name of one of my most favorite songs. ;)

Will paranoid android be ready for the htc one very soon? As in 14 days soon???

Also I'm on a Mac and my understanding is flashing roms on a Mac is slightly harder initially?

I'd love to give roms a shot. If I can gesture up from the htc icon (ala the blackberry z10) to go back home I could forgive htc for reconfiguring the layout. :)

Sadly I doubt it. I haven't even looked into what it's going to take to root the phone, figure that's still a little ways off as it's just beginning to get into people's hands. And considering there still isn't a stable 'official' version available for the Note 2, wouldn't expect to see one soon. My suggestion was independent of whatever device you're using, just thought you may like it--know how you feel about the physical home button, should you end up with a GS4. :D
 
Sadly I doubt it. I haven't even looked into what it's going to take to root the phone, figure that's still a little ways off as it's just beginning to get into people's hands. And considering there still isn't a stable 'official' version available for the Note 2, wouldn't expect to see one soon. My suggestion was independent of whatever device you're using, just thought you may like it--know how you feel about the physical home button, should you end up with a GS4. :D

SwipePad it is then.

For anyone who doesn't know: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.conduction.swipepad.android&hl=en
 
I'm reading over at XDA there are some unresponsive-ness issues with the capacitive buttons.

MRU, didn't you mention you felt the touch-points were a little small? Are you experiencing unresponsive-ness with the home and back buttons?

Not so much unresponsive as you have to hit them dead on. When I do they always work, but if I go to the sides of them by a few fractions it misses.

But again since factory resetting this seems to have improved too.

I think a lot of small niggles can be attributed to little software glitches. Hopefully these will be corrected for 4.2.2 :)
 
Where is the direct evidence linking Google to this? Look at Samsung phones, they have a dedicated menu button. Unless you have direct evidence saying otherwise, it seems to me that HTC is the only one to blame.

I was confusing the absence of a menu button with the absence of the multitask button. The former is Google sanctioned. The latter is just HTC design rationale. My mistake Mr Samsung PR.

Plastic is still inferior to Metal though and the One is better looking/designed than the GS4 from your beloved company...no matter how much you lambast Brian Klug or others for pointing that fact out
 
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Why would you want to lower the sharpness? Won't that make images even more soft?

What is edge processing/halos?

because of the aggressive software oversharpening of the images- resulting in frayed edges and a lot of noise. the - 2 makes them look softer, more natural, still sharp enough most of the time.

brian klug posted the same thing in his anandtech review for a better explanation.
 
Where is the direct evidence linking Google to this? Look at Samsung phones, they have a dedicated menu button. Unless you have direct evidence saying otherwise, it seems to me that HTC is the only one to blame.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Applicatio...elopers-to-Stop-Using-the-Menu-Button-658540/

and the detailed post:

http://android-developers.blogspot.ca/2012/01/say-goodbye-to-menu-button.html

This goes back over a year.

This is not HTC being a maverick but merely following Google guidelines.
 
And no where in your links did Google force HTC to stop having a menu button. Fail.

You asked a question and it was answered. Google instructed developers to stop relying on the hardware button. I quote:

"Not only should your apps stop relying on the hardware Menu button, but you should stop thinking about your activities using a “menu button” at all. Your activities should provide buttons for important user actions directly in the action bar (or elsewhere on screen). Those that can’t fit in the action bar end up in the action overflow.

Samsung and others decided to continue with the menu button. It may well be correct in terms of practicality. However, HTC chose the other direction, assuming developers would conform to the guidelines.
 
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And no where in your links did Google force HTC to stop having a menu button. Fail.

Wait, so first HTC fails because they changed things with sense arbitrarily away from Google standard, but when they follow Google's guidelines and don't put in a menu button they also fail?
 
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Applicatio...elopers-to-Stop-Using-the-Menu-Button-658540/

and the detailed post:

http://android-developers.blogspot.ca/2012/01/say-goodbye-to-menu-button.html

This goes back over a year.

This is not HTC being a maverick but merely following Google guidelines.

I remember this. That's understandable.

But why did HTC remove the app switcher button? Or make the home button on the right when it feels so natural in the center?

Likewise, why in the world did HTC remove the "double-tap back button" as the menu button in only the launch versions of the One? I know they say they'll put it back, but that was bizarre and/or careless.

I know you're not HTC. I'm just asking the questions.

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BTW, for those looking for pouches and whatnot for the HTC One, if you can't wait for them to be manufactured, the Droid DNA pouches should, in theory, fit the HTC One also. Their dimensions are nearly the same. The DNA is only marginally taller, wider, and ever so slightly thicker. Any pouch that fits the DNA should fit the One quite nicely.

I'm thinking of getting this if I stick with the One: http://www.etsy.com/listing/127291060/sale-20-off-felt-htc-droid-dna-butterfly?ref=market

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There are already some nice pouches for HTC One: http://www.etsy.com/listing/1269342...type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=all

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Or leather: http://www.etsy.com/listing/1258103...type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=all

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MRU, how is the HTC stock keyboard? I am using SwiftKey trial on my S3 right now and wondering if I should go ahead and buy or not.

I actually think stock keyboard is great. Certainly the best OS keyboard from a manufacturer. It supports full swipe keyboard input too so you get your swiftkey style input and the auto corrections / suggestions are good and accurate.

I installed swiftkey on my one x, galaxy s2, HTC sensation xe too, but with the HTC One I don't have any desire to install swiftkey.
 
I just saw the black dummy unit at best buy, and wow, it looks really nice and a lot smaller than I thought it was in videos. Can't wait to use an actual working unit, but the casing looked great.
 
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