I tried the startech TB32DP2 (thunderbolt 3 to 2x displayport adapter), but that says unsupported in the system profile. Bummer.
Thanks everybody for all the info and opinions, now that I've had mine for a day here's my take:
2016 non-touch-bar 13" MacBook Pro observations:
-- USB-C power connection requires quite a lot of force to unplug, not like the magsafe at all
-- Keyboard is great. Big keycaps, clicky feedback, fast. After a day I like it better than the 2015 MBP 15" keyboard. If you type vigorously it's louder than the traditional MBP keys, but I haven't decided yet whether I mind it.
-- WiFi is improved. I went to the far corners of the house and 802.11ac was consistently 10-20% faster than the 2015 MBP, 802.11g was virtually the same.
-- speakers are great. Just think of very good small speakers (bass is obviously rolled off). Clearly lower distortion at similar volumes than the 2015 MBP, with more detail on complex sounds like drums and acoustic guitar.
-- mirror finish 'apple' on lid looks really cool in person, it creates a crystal clear reflection.
-- TDP/Turbo/Throttling: For this test I did an x264 encode with Handbrake. This instantly pegs the CPU at 100% and the turbo speed is a constant 2.9GHz, with a steady power draw around 16W. After 5 minutes the fan comes on slightly and the temperature plateaus at 90C (not audible at normal living room sound levels) but there is no throttling, the CPU speed never changes. After 30 minutes the case bottom is warm, not hot. I don't have a perfect combined CPU and GPU test. Some webgl demos that peg the GPU plateau the power draw at 24W, but the fan is still not on high.
In comparison, the 2015 MBP fan goes high almost instantly, and there is lots of yo-yo throttling throughout the compression job (which still runs much faster of course). But this is the lesson: Hotter CPUs throttle, lower-power ones don't.
-- Battery life: After an overnight charge and 15 minutes of web browsing, charge is still 100% and time remaining is 11:56
-- SSD: It does bench out faster than the 2015 MBP but I think that's mainly an improvement in large reads and writes. For more varied I/O patterns like installing an app it's about the same.
-- Screen: The color saturation and contrast improvements are quite noticeable, but the contrast benefits stay with you longer. Some movies played with VLC did not look good, skin tones etc are too colorful, but maybe that's just VLC. The ability to crank the brightness up that high is nice when there's a window at your back, and the anti-reflective coating is impressive.
-- Trackpad: I like the larger size. It's also fun that they calibrated the trackpad click amplitude to match the click impact of the keys, it feels just the same.
-- UI: for a normal arrangement of 5 Safari windows/15 tabs, 3 PDFs in preview, and a Logic Pro X window filling the screen underneath I saw no hesitation in scrolling or mission control transitions.
-- Generally, it's a great machine if you're looking for ergonomics, durability, and not a great deal of multitasking since it's not a quad-core (Geekbench approx. 3500/7000). Try to find that combination of screen, keyboard, speakers, and battery life anywhere else!
I am very much interested in seeing benchmarks after you get.I have and I've added 16 GB ram on it as well. Will get it in the next few days after my vacation to test it out
which delivery date you have? Ich got mine on nov. 8 maybe faster.I am very much interested in seeing benchmarks after you get.
I tried the startech TB32DP2 (thunderbolt 3 to 2x displayport adapter), but that says unsupported in the system profile. Bummer.
lmfao @ "douchebar"So I've just gotten mine base version today and here are observations after 4 hours of us.
1. I'm in the small minority who love the keyboard, the feel is great for me personally! However, the enter button is different to the one on the 2015 edition, and this is a large pain thus far adapting. I keep typing '\" instead of enter!
2. Screen is a beaut.
3. Speakers are definitely louder too which is a plus, nothing groundbreaking though.
4. As far as speed goes, it's pretty much identical to the previous 2015 one. Frame wise though it's superior when running games such as LoL.
5. If it had 3 USB-C ports, it would be the dream. Or even magsafe...
6. Battery is pretty solid too.
Overall, I'm definitely enjoying it, but may end up getting a douchebar one...
lmfao @ "douchebar"
New product name.
I'll have my i7 2.4/16gb Friday. What and how should I get benchmarks for you guys?
I suspect that this is because macOS doesn't support DP 1.2 chaining or hubs (thanks, Apple!).
I am very much interested in seeing benchmarks after you get.
Me too.
I'm from the UK, and I ordered the non-touch bar, 16gb, upgraded cpu (6660u), and 512gb SSD. However mines estimated for the 9th-11th of November delivery.
And I really really want to know, how much the CPU upgrade increases the Geekbench score. So please when you get in the next few days, please please please do a geekbench and share the results.
Its barely 5% faster. Rather than upgrade cpu for 300 change to touch bar version instead for 300. The 28watt i5 is faster than both 15watt i5 and i7.Me too.
I'm from the UK, and I ordered the non-touch bar, 16gb, upgraded cpu (6660u), and 512gb SSD. However mines estimated for the 9th-11th of November delivery.
And I really really want to know, how much the CPU upgrade increases the Geekbench score. So please when you get in the next few days, please please please do a geekbench and share the results.
I cant see one reason other then needing the 15W cpu or the physical F keys to upgrade the base 13" rMBP. The touch bar is better value for sure.Its barely 5% faster. Rather than upgrade cpu for 300 change to touch bar version instead for 300. The 28watt i5 is faster than both 15watt i5 and i7.
Finally got my MacBook Pro (non-touchbar) with the i7 upgrade and 16 GB of ram.
Here is the geek bench score off of it:
is the i7 non touch bar variant also ULV proc like the 2ghz base?
I believe so but if I'm wrong someone please correct me
Finally got my MacBook Pro (non-touchbar) with the i7 upgrade and 16 GB of ram.
Here is the geek bench score off of it:
and related to that, 1 fan as well or 2 like 13" tb
Nice numbers, congrats. Looks like you got at least the 10% that the specs would suggest.
Are you planning to test the fan characteristics at 100% load? I recommend Intel Power Gadget for measurements.
After another day into it i can say that this 15W platform really does get breakthrough battery life, just like the Ars Technica review highlighted. It's like an iPad, you just don't think about charging it during the day.
Apple low-balled the rating lumping it in with the 10hr of the touch bar version, in my opinion, which is not what I expected (I was speculating that the battery life would be nearly equal)