The nTB seems to be the new release that Apple got right. 1st gen touchbar machines seem to have lots of lemons in the batch, namely screen and battery issues.
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The No Touch Bar 13 Macbook Version
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Oh boy. It's pretty obvious what he meant. No reason to turn it into something else.
I just packed up my 2016- 13" non touch bar, 2.0/16/256 to go back to Apple.
I really liked mostly everything about it, and its a well made machine; however, I only got 7 hours (actual clocked time) with my light usage; internet, and a few short Facebook and Youtube videos with the brightness up to about 70-75%, as I'm not going to look at a screen at 50%.
If I had gotten about 8 hours it would have been a keeper, but at the current price, it just wasn't a good buy in my opinion. Maybe I'll go for a refurb next year if the price it right, or I'll go for a 2015.
It's like someone designed a nice small case without thinking about the battery.
I really liked mostly everything about it, and its a well made machine; however, I only got 7 hours (actual clocked time) with my light usage; internet, and a few short Facebook and Youtube videos with the brightness up to about 70-75%, as I'm not going to look at a screen at 50%.
If I had gotten about 8 hours it would have been a keeper, but at the current price, it just wasn't a good buy in my opinion. Maybe I'll go for a refurb next year if the price it right, or I'll go for a 2015.
It's like someone designed a nice small case without thinking about the battery.
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Just waiting for Apple to fix the display flickering issue on the HDMI output on the MultiPort adapter, supposedly fixed in the latest betas and affecting all models using this adapter. Other than that, still smooth sailing ... this thing is a rock, a true workhorse. 
I remember back in the early 2000s, around when I first got a notebook computer, 3 to 4 hours of battery life was considered very good. My first Toshiba could barely reach 3 hours. Now here we are with computers lasting over 10 hours on a single charge. Some even up to 15. Recalling this time, for me even 7 hours is awesome. I went through a complete charge of my ntbMBP this week and got over 8 hours, though my brightness was lower than 75%, maybe 50%. Its amazing how much battery tech has improved in the past ten or so years. Soon we will be complaining that 20 hours isn't enough!
I look forward to my future 20 hour battery life laptop
Worry not, Apple will just continuously reduce the size of battery, even when not necessary, to make it that ideal yet dubious claim of 10 hours in the case of other laptops of theirs that have a TB
To go beyond the mark of 10, would be criminal and immoral.
Same with iDevices
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screen specific to TB pro's? or screen specific to the touchbar itself (like the OLED strip)
A+++, this is the product to buy. I have been saying for years that I would buy a retina MBA once launched, and the base MBP 13 is basically that product and more.
I think overall no issues. Some people may miss the lack of ports, and some may wish the web cam was finally 1080p+, but otherwise it is functioning as expected for most.
Getting used to the keyboard is quite easy, although I haven't had to do pro-longed typing, so when I do, i'll see how it fares.
I am planning on returning my 15 inch model and getting the 13 inch nTB 2.0, 16 gb, 512.
I will be using this a lot connected to a 4k monitor using an USB-C to hdmi or displayport adaptor. Do you guys use it with this setup? Does it overhead or can it easily handle the external monitor? Mainly simple tasks video streaming, facebook, skype etc.
My 15 inch looses wi-fi when I connect the external hub on the left side ports. The 13 inch has both ports on the left, have you had any issues with that ?
I will be using this a lot connected to a 4k monitor using an USB-C to hdmi or displayport adaptor. Do you guys use it with this setup? Does it overhead or can it easily handle the external monitor? Mainly simple tasks video streaming, facebook, skype etc.
My 15 inch looses wi-fi when I connect the external hub on the left side ports. The 13 inch has both ports on the left, have you had any issues with that ?
Just waiting for Apple to fix the display flickering issue on the HDMI output on the MultiPort adapter, supposedly fixed in the latest betas and affecting all models using this adapter. Other than that, still smooth sailing ... this thing is a rock, a true workhorse.
I really like how you define it a true workhorse. That is exactly what I need =)
Going to push it to the limit I guess..
Well I hope it can do way more than that attached to a display. I am looking for a setup with two displays 4k+1080 for hard multitasking with different programs ( everything but video editing).
So I would be very disappointed if not capable of it.
So we can unlock the nTB macbook pro also with a S2 Apple Watch?
I thought only the TB could do that
Thanks for the replies!
After the anouncement and seing the price for the new macbooks I decided to get a 2015 model. I got the lower specd 15" one first, that one had an issue with wi fi when lid wasn't fully open or closed. Took it back and got the higher specd one for £2000. The second one was overheating like crazy, fans running over 6000 rotations and temperature reaching 99 deg. Took that one back, re-evaluated the new model and thought what's a couple hundred more ... at least I get the latest tech, and so I did.
Due to some issues with the new model from low battery life, 4k not working, some wi-fi issues and buggiest software I've seen on a mac so far, I'm taking it back, and I hope that the nTB model is better as there weren't so many changes compared to the TB. I really like the new macbooks, don't get me wrong, but can't justify paying so much for something that doesn't work well. Not a big fan of the TB but love everything else about it including the keyboard and touchpad.
Now, I've spent too much time troubleshooting and playing the waiting game. I am NOT going back to Windows and I have already sold my iMac so I don't want to buy and have to return again, or at least if I get a faulty item I want to be sure that it's a fault with the unit and not the whole line (like it seems to be with the 15" models). So far everyone seems to be happy with nTB but I couldn't find a youtube of someone actually using one connected to a 4k display.
After the anouncement and seing the price for the new macbooks I decided to get a 2015 model. I got the lower specd 15" one first, that one had an issue with wi fi when lid wasn't fully open or closed. Took it back and got the higher specd one for £2000. The second one was overheating like crazy, fans running over 6000 rotations and temperature reaching 99 deg. Took that one back, re-evaluated the new model and thought what's a couple hundred more ... at least I get the latest tech, and so I did
.Due to some issues with the new model from low battery life, 4k not working, some wi-fi issues and buggiest software I've seen on a mac so far, I'm taking it back, and I hope that the nTB model is better as there weren't so many changes compared to the TB. I really like the new macbooks, don't get me wrong, but can't justify paying so much for something that doesn't work well. Not a big fan of the TB but love everything else about it including the keyboard and touchpad.
Now, I've spent too much time troubleshooting and playing the waiting game. I am NOT going back to Windows and I have already sold my iMac so I don't want to buy and have to return again, or at least if I get a faulty item I want to be sure that it's a fault with the unit and not the whole line (like it seems to be with the 15" models). So far everyone seems to be happy with nTB but I couldn't find a youtube of someone actually using one connected to a 4k display.
Not a huge issue, but sometimes watching youtube videos on chrome, I will get a slight flicker on the video (only the video, no where else on the screen). I don't recall getting the same flicker on safari youtube. Would this be considered a GPU issue?
It's not limited to the 2016 models of any MacBook, I think all Macs released since 2013 are compatible, it's down to the kind of Bluetooth chip you Mac has.
http://www.redmondpie.com/requireme...uto-unlock-feature-of-macos-sierra-watchos-3/
Well, i have a question... just one week using my new ntMBP... so, is normal, like the new iphone 7, than the edges are just a little different than the screen? I mean, in the right and left i note a different color than the rest of the screen, maybe need time, but if you see something, please tell me...