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TechnoMonk

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Just saw the new OLED IPP 13 in person and it was very hard to notice any marked improvement over my M1 IPP 12.9. I don't know what people are smoking when they claim significant improvement over MiniLED. To me, it was not night and day and I had to look hard to spot differences.

Side-by-side, with full brightness on both iPads, the OLED had very slightly better saturation. The OLED did look crisper in some scenes and I think that's due to the faster response time as the M1 12.9 would blur slightly in comparison.

At first the weight reduction felt impressive for the M4 IPP 13, but then I took my M1 12.9 out of its cover and the weight difference wasn't substantial.

At least I saw for myself it wasn't worth the upgrade. I ended up trading in my M1 12.9 and a 2015 MBP 13 for some gift cards towards future tech I'll want/need.

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You don’t need to smoke something to see the difference. Eye sight is heavily dependent on an individual. I am not upgrading from my M1, but your first pic shows a big difference. Look at the details/ not just crispness of the screen. For those who care about those details will upgrade. If your eyes can’t see the difference, that’s perfectly normal as every one has different eye sight. For those folks the difference in detail May be worth it.
 

NeonNights

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You don’t need to smoke something to see the difference. Eye sight is heavily dependent on an individual. I am not upgrading from my M1, but your first pic shows a big difference. Look at the details/ not just crispness of the screen. For those who care about those details will upgrade. If your eyes can’t see the difference, that’s perfectly normal as every one has different eye sight. For those folks the difference in detail May be worth it.
I had my glasses on and it wasn't a significant difference by any means. I admit the camera is capturing more difference than I saw in-person. The tandem OLED presents a slight improvement but nothing dramatic. It's not like MiniLED was crap, it was going to be hard to improve on MiniLED and OLED just confirms that.

Great for everyone else enjoying their new OLED IPP, but it was an easy no for me after experiencing it.
 

Apple_Robert

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I am still flip flopping lol

Honestly everything about it is better except the speakers on the 11" v my M1
colours
text
lighter
speed

If do will just get the folio case and return the keyboard, it's chipped anyway.
Unless you are looking to make the iPad your main use device, I would stick with the 11."

How is is two thumbs typing in portrait mode? When I had my previous iPad Pro, I found it hard due to the thickness of the iPad and my smaller hands.
 

TechnoMonk

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I had my glasses on and it wasn't a significant difference by any means. I admit the camera is capturing more difference than I saw in-person. The tandem OLED presents a slight improvement but nothing dramatic. It's not like MiniLED was crap, it was going to be hard to improve on MiniLED and OLED just confirms that.
Glasses don’t alter the color spectrum as perceived by an individual. They just correct the refraction to your retina. Depending on the individual, every one has their own perception of color spectrum, and in extreme cases color blindness. Most of the normal folks have different perception of colors on the spectrum. If you don’t see the difference, then it isn’t worth for you. You can show same screen to 10 people, you will have wide range of opinions.
 
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Unless you are looking to make the iPad your main use device, I would stick with the 11."

How is is two thumbs typing in portrait mode? When I had my previous iPad Pro, I found it hard due to the thickness of the iPad and my smaller hands.
Yeah I have had a 13” before.
It’s great to hold in portrait for books etc, I have big hands and it’s doable but a bit awkward with no case.
Did it typing this maybe if got used to it, not something I have ever done really.
Mini would be the go for that.
 

Apple_Robert

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Yeah I have had a 13” before.
It’s great to hold in portrait for books etc, I have big hands and it’s doable but a bit awkward with no case.
Did it typing this maybe if got used to it, not something I have ever done really.
Mini would be the go for that.
Using the Apple Pencil to make MR replies also works very well. For some, that can be quicker than using the on-screen keyboard.

I am curious what WWDC brings with iPadOS and other Apple toys.
 

NeonNights

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Glasses don’t alter your color spectrum as perceived by an individual. They just correct the refraction to your retina. Depending on the individual, every one has their own perception of color spectrum, and in extreme cases color blindness. Most of the normal folks have different perception of colors on the spectrum. If you don’t see the difference, then it isn’t worth for you. You can show same screen to 10 people, you will have wide range of opinions.
I wish the tandem OLED difference was more obvious. I can appreciate there is a difference in the first image I posted earlier, but sadly that's not true to life and is more due to my Fold5 pumping up the contrast and saturation and making the delta more obvious than it really is. Also, it's a still-photo of a moving video and the frames are not perfectly synced. Sharing those images probably did more harm than good.

If the OLED difference in real-life actually mimicked the first image I posted then I'd be more inclined to sing the praises of tandem OLED tech. As it is, I really only noticed improvement in response time of the tandem OLED panel leading to crisper video and motion -- and even that was something I had to stare and look for. You would think a superior display tech would be easier for the masses to reach consensus.
 

TechnoMonk

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I wish the tandem OLED difference was more obvious. I can appreciate there is a difference in the first image I posted earlier, but sadly that's not true to life and is more due to my Fold5 pumping up the contrast and saturation and making the delta more obvious than it really is. Also, it's a still-photo of a moving video and the frames are not perfectly synced. Sharing those images probably did more harm than good.

If the OLED difference in real-life actually mimicked the first image I posted then I'd be more inclined to sing the praises of tandem OLED tech. As it is, I really only noticed improvement in response time of the tandem OLED panel leading to crisper video and motion -- and even that was something I had to stare and look for. You would think a superior display tech would be easier for the masses to reach consensus.
Masses don’t have same eye sight. Like I said if it doesn’t make difference for you, don’t buy. But making fun of those who see difference is hilarious. I can easily see the difference between OLED and Mini LED, but I am not gonna go after people who can’t perceive the difference or say a product is crap for others who may see difference. I have M1 iPad Pro, for me even the difference is not worth upgrading, I can upgrade to M8 or so.
 
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TechnoMonk

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Using the Apple Pencil to make MR replies also works very well. For some, that can be quicker than using the on-screen keyboard.

I am curious what WWDC brings with iPadOS and other Apple toys.
My 12.9 iPP rarely leaves the MKB unless I need portrait mode with pencil. Can’t imagine using the on-screen keyboard or Apple Pencil.
 

Jimmdean

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Personally I only see the iPad as a utility device - much like the PADDs in Star Trek. They shouldn't be expensive and IMO the screens don't really need to be super-nice. I mean who can keep their iPad screen clean anyway? OLED or not you're not going to use it to watch the movies you should be watching on a big-screen TV. Those are much better for being OLEDs. Just my 2 cents...
 
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TheRealAlex

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The Tandem OLED displays are HUGE. Major upgrade.

#1. Wider Color Gamut
#2. Brighter
#3. Faster, no trails or smearing text when scrolling
#4. YouTube videos look better.
#5. Faster response times of the pixels. More interactive

and that’s just the display

Apple went off, with a 10 Core M4 CPU with faster processing power.
 

DeepSix

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Just saw the new OLED IPP 13 in person and it was very hard to notice any marked improvement over my M1 IPP 12.9. I don't know what people are smoking when they claim significant improvement over MiniLED. To me, it was not night and day and I had to look hard to spot differences.

Side-by-side, with full brightness on both iPads, the OLED had very slightly better saturation. The OLED did look crisper in some scenes and I think that's due to the faster response time as the M1 12.9 would blur slightly in comparison.

At first the weight reduction felt impressive for the M4 IPP 13, but then I took my M1 12.9 out of its cover and the weight difference wasn't substantial.

At least I saw for myself it wasn't worth the upgrade. I ended up trading in my M1 12.9 and a 2015 MBP 13 for some gift cards towards future tech I'll want/need.

When people spend that much on something that has poor value and minimal benefit, they try to justify what they spent to make them feel better. Trust me, I've been there before. I think OLED is overrated anyways. Not everyone cares about how blacks your blacks are. It benefits me in no ways when I surf the web. My phone has a better screen than the M4 ipads and my phone came out last year.
 
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DeepSix

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Personally I only see the iPad as a utility device - much like the PADDs in Star Trek. They shouldn't be expensive and IMO the screens don't really need to be super-nice. I mean who can keep their iPad screen clean anyway? OLED or not you're not going to use it to watch the movies you should be watching on a big-screen TV. Those are much better for being OLEDs. Just my 2 cents...

That's what Ive been saying all along. OLED on a TV is far better. My guess is that most people want the OLED on their ipads for when they're on the toilet. Those deep blacks become that much more important in that situation.
 

NeonNights

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Masses don’t have same eye sight. Like I said if it doesn’t make difference for you, don’t buy. But making fun of those who see difference is hilarious. I can easily see the difference between OLED and Mini LED, but I am not gonna go after people who can’t perceive the difference or say a product is crap for others who may see difference. I have M1 iPad Pro, for me even the difference is not worth upgrading, I can upgrade to M8 or so.

You claim not to go after people, except you insinuate anyone that can't discern the OLED difference must have a problem with their eyes. Could it just be the tech isn't substantially better than last year's?
 
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sparksd

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When people spend that much on something that has poor value and minimal benefit, they try to justify what they spent to make them feel better. Trust me, I've been there before. I think OLED is overrated anyways. Not everyone cares about how blacks your blacks are. It benefits me in no ways when I surf the web. My phone has a better screen than the M4 ipads and my phone came out last year.

I'm well enough into my retirement years - i.e., I'm old - that I don't feel the need to justify my purchases to myself or anyone else.
 

TechnoMonk

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You claim not to go after people, except you insinuate anyone that can't discern the OLED difference must have a problem with their eyes. Could it just be the tech isn't substantially better than last year's?
lol. Now you are just being defensive. I never insinuated any one having defective eye sight. People have different levels of RGB perceptions, and also spectrum. Some can have better eye sight in one color spectrum and lower in others. It doesn’t mean there is a problem, it’s just that people perceive things differently. Respect others opinions instead of claiming they are smoking something.
 

NewOldStock

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Why would a company spend millions on R&D on a product and not produce a better product?
Somebody needs to learn this question and its answer.
 

NeonNights

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lol. Now you are just being defensive. I never insinuated any one having defective eye sight. People have different levels of RGB perceptions, and also spectrum. Some can have better eye sight in one color spectrum and lower in others. It doesn’t mean there is a problem, it’s just that people perceive things differently. Respect others opinions instead of claiming they are smoking something.
But how can you possibly know what each person's visual acuity is? You point out it varies across a spectrum for everyone. A person with good color receptors can still find the new tandem OLED underwhelming compared to the prior generation. Respect that.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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lol. Now you are just being defensive. I never insinuated any one having defective eye sight. People have different levels of RGB perceptions, and also spectrum. Some can have better eye sight in one color spectrum and lower in others. It doesn’t mean there is a problem, it’s just that people perceive things differently. Respect others opinions instead of claiming they are smoking something.

I remember when the iPhone X came out with OLED and we had so many here claiming it was night and day different. It got really snobby on here with people trying to put everyone down who was still using LCD screened iPhones. I was using an OLED iPhone and an LCD iPhone side by side a few years later and for me who has very good vision, the difference was very minimal. It probably the reason ProMotion doesn’t stand out as much to me either as my eyes can process 60hz without any obvious lag or stuttering when scrolling. Others here notice a huge difference.
 

Wind30

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Yes, the oled is not much improvement over miniled. Just go down to the store and bring your miniled to compare. Nothing to argue….
The nano texture glass is a big difference though. Even my wife can tell apart the display at one glance. I think the biggest change is the 11 inch which did not have miniled previously,
 
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Geert76

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That's what Ive been saying all along. OLED on a TV is far better. My guess is that most people want the OLED on their ipads for when they're on the toilet. Those deep blacks become that much more important in that situation.

when they're on the toilet?

so with one hand I hold the iPad, with the other hand I hold my.....oh, nevermind 😛
 

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I remember when the iPhone X came out with OLED and we had so many here claiming it was night and day different. It got really snobby on here with people trying to put everyone down who was still using LCD screened iPhones. I was using an OLED iPhone and an LCD iPhone side by side a few years later and for me who has very good vision, the difference was very minimal. It probably the reason ProMotion doesn’t stand out as much to me either as my eyes can process 60hz without any obvious lag or stuttering when scrolling. Others here notice a huge difference.
If I was choosing would rather oled on a bigger iPad than my iPhone for my uses anyway.
Same with pro motion doesn't worry me on a iPhone but very noticable on iPad.
Mrs has 12 max and 2018 11" iPad and I have 15 max and M1 11".
 

iamyash

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How about the difference from LED (11" 2020 model) to OLED panel? Is that more of a significant jump than the upgrade from Mini-LED to OLED?
 
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