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Who is seriously think about to go away from Apple?

  • to Windows

    Votes: 33 13.9%
  • to Linux

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • everything ok. stay with Apple

    Votes: 137 57.8%
  • im frustrated and stay with Apple

    Votes: 59 24.9%

  • Total voters
    237

samiwas

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I'm guessing you, et al, would criticize Apple all the same if they didn't introduce Smart TVs (which are useless to me since I still rock DVDs)... damned if they do, damned if they don't; you'll find some reason to criticize Apple regardless: Fairly so in the case of bad support experiences, and irrationally in the case of perceived lack of innovation, new products, or form factors. Having a laptop that has to double as a tablet and then blaming it for falling short in size, battery life or usability is like having a Porsche that doubles as a pickup truck and complaining that it can't motorboat to England. I'd lay odds you'll have all the lovin's for the Surface Pro but then if Apple did a touchscreen Laptop you'd whine about fingerprints...

Actually, when I asked for a touchscreen iMac, people told me I was an idiot because there would be fingerprints, and I'd never be able to live with it. In fact, they essentially said that's why a touchscreen iMac shouldn't exist. So, I have a touchscreen PC with two external touchscreen monitors. They get used all day in a TV production studio (so, not clean), and I have only wiped the screens down once or twice in three months. Apparently, the fingerprints aren't a big deal.

As for the battery stuff...I'd rather have another feature or two, and give up half an hour of battery life or a few millimeters of thinness. But, that's just me. For the most part, it's Apple's software that has let me down enormously. Like, who makes a spreadsheet program with no ability to see how it fits onto a printed page?? Idiots, that's who.
 

kis

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Aug 10, 2007
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I've been an Apple user for more than 20 years now. In all these years, I never felt that there are products in the Microsoft ecosystem that are superior to what Apple has to offer. This has changed, however, in 2015. When the first XPS 13 came out, it was clear to me that PC manufacturers have caught up and, in some instances, surpassed Apple in terms of hardware. What was still missing was the software - but this has also changed with Windows 10, which is a delight to use.

This hasn't made things easier for me - before, it was just a matter of getting the next version of the Apple product I was using at that time. Now I have to take a gazillion of other options into consideration when I buy a new computer. I'm in the market for an ultra portable, for example. The Macbook Air just doesn't cut it for me - it's too big, the screen sucks. I looked at the 12" Macbook, but that one is too expensive in Europe for what it is - I'm not paying 1500 bucks for a borderline sluggish Intel M laptop with just one port (or an iPad Pro, for that matter, which is just an oversized toy to me). I can get a full-fledged i5 from Microsoft or Dell for that price, with the added bonus of getting a touch-screen and a better keyboard.

so will I leave Apple and move to Microsoft? Possibly yes. However, this will be the same for me as with the phones - I tend to switch between Android and iOS devices as they're both adequate. That deep connection I felt with Apple died together with Steve. Apple is just another mega-corp for me now, and ideology-wise, it doesn't matter to me whether I'm using a Microsoft or an Apple device. So from now on, I'll probably switch between Windows and Mac computers every other year or so and buy whatever offers the best value at the time.
 

Melrose

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who makes a spreadsheet program with no ability to see how it fits onto a printed page?? Idiots, that's who.

And, ironically, it was Apple that led the desktop printing charge for so many years. I agree that certain elements have taken different priorities in the Modern Era of the Macintosh. They're not elements that have much impact on me, hence my disregard for their importance, but if it's important to you - I'll give you it must be somewhat irritating.

PC people buy Mac's thinking its a silver bullet, Mac people buy PC's thinking the same thing truth is they're both the same
Internal components might be nearly the same; software and exterior quality is a different story. :)
 

D.T.

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Sep 15, 2011
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PC people buy Mac's thinking its a silver bullet, Mac people buy PC's thinking the same thing truth is they're both the same

Yikes, my post needed an edit didn't it? Duh. :confused:

Anyway, I have some pretty compelling rationale that's informed by about 25 years in the technical sector as to why I prefer OS X as my "working [and personal] OS" (vs. Windows/Linux/Other, even though I regularly use the aforementioned in a professional capacity).
 

navaira

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May 28, 2015
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PC people buy Mac's thinking its a silver bullet, Mac people buy PC's thinking the same thing truth is they're both the same
Most definitely not. Most Apple products stopped impressing me much but Mac OS is miles in front of every other operating system I used. Apple seem to be working at changing that, but so far they failed ;)
 

lowendlinux

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Sep 24, 2014
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Yikes, my post needed an edit didn't it? Duh. :confused:

Anyway, I have some pretty compelling rationale that's informed by about 25 years in the technical sector as to why I prefer OS X as my "working [and personal] OS" (vs. Windows/Linux/Other, even though I regularly use the aforementioned in a professional capacity).
We are allowed to like things, I like Jeeps. To me it's the best vehicle in the world and I've always had one. My Jeep is in no way superior to that guys Toyota but I'd never actually own one.
 

Designer Dale

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I thought Apple was getting a bit buggy until my late 08 MacBook Pro finally died and I found myself stuck with a Win7 HP laptop. It does nothing better than my old Mac except actually turn on. Can't wait until I scrape up the money to get back in the jaws of Apple.

Dale
 
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FX120

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I've been migrating back to Windows in my personal life over the past few years, and switched last year to Android (2014 Moto X) after years of using iPhones (3G/4/5).

I don't feel like I'm missing anything, but then again I never got heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem with iTunes, tons of expensive apps, or MobileMe/iCloud.
 

kis

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I thought Apple was getting a bit buggy until my late 08 MacBook Pro finally died and I found myself stuck with a Win7 HP laptop. It does nothing better than my old Mac except actually turn on. Can't wait until I scrape up the money to get back in the jaws of Apple.

Dale

Well, did you just go out and buy the first laptop you saw at Best Buy or did you actually make an informed decision? I've yet to encounter a usable HP laptop but Dell's XPS 13 or a Surface Pro are both excellent choices.
 

Designer Dale

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Well, did you just go out and buy the first laptop you saw at Best Buy or did you actually make an informed decision? I've yet to encounter a usable HP laptop but Dell's XPS 13 or a Surface Pro are both excellent choices.

I took over the HP my wife wasn't using. If I had money to replace the MBP, why would I waste it on an HP or any Windows machine?

Dale
 
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Designer Dale

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Well, there definitely are good ones out there, but from your answer I'm guessing you'll never know

Allow me to be clear on this. I have used Windows from Win 98 through Win7 and the Apple OS from whatever they shipped on the Apple II through OSX 10.10 Yosemite. The machines involved have ranged from work stations to consumer towers, desktops and laptops. Given around 35 years with computers, I prefer the Mac for both hardware and OS.

The coolest program I ever ran was a punch card stack.

Dale
 
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MattA

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May 15, 2006
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PC people buy Mac's thinking its a silver bullet, Mac people buy PC's thinking the same thing truth is they're both the same
They are the same to a degree, however with a Windows PC, you can customize it with what you need. This used to be somewhat true of the Macintosh platform, but they're trying harder and harder to lock down the hardware so you are stuck with what you have until you throw the old one away and purchase the newest one again. Again, try even upgrading to a solid state drive in the new iMac. Hell, try upgrading the memory in a 21" iMac. That's just silly IMO. Apple's computers are becoming more and more neutered as the latest ones come out.

The thing is, Windows 10 isn't a huge POS compared to MacOS, so that argument doesn't really fly. It's not like it used to be where Windows XP was a constant headache and OSX was sooo much better. Microsoft has really caught up with their competition.

Also, if I need a machine with a slightly better video card, I don't want to have to purchase a top end iMac or MacBook Pro to get it. With a Windows PC, I can throw in whatever I want. If the Mac had a bit more flexibility, I wouldn't even be thinking about jumping ship. Apple needs to understand that the Mac is not an iPhone and shouldn't be treated as such. I don't want to spend $100 more for the next tier of memory. Just give me the base config, and when I want more memory, I'll add it.

It's just gotten really ridiculous.
 

Tech198

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Mar 21, 2011
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Mac's are a silver bullet in one way, its all from one company, and u don't need to worry about getting drivers from other manufactures.

the only downside, is with one company, if u get a newer Mac, u can't install older OS on there like u can with PC's, since the chip set is not supported, on newer Macs with older OS's just because Apple makes it all.

That's why i'm keeping mine for as long as i can :)

u can talk about premium product like Apple, but the wrong sort of premium.. Their in the wrong bracket.
 
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lowendlinux

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They are the same to a degree, however with a Windows PC, you can customize it with what you need. This used to be somewhat true of the Macintosh platform, but they're trying harder and harder to lock down the hardware so you are stuck with what you have until you throw the old one away and purchase the newest one again. Again, try even upgrading to a solid state drive in the new iMac. Hell, try upgrading the memory in a 21" iMac. That's just silly IMO. Apple's computers are becoming more and more neutered as the latest ones come out.

The thing is, Windows 10 isn't a huge POS compared to MacOS, so that argument doesn't really fly. It's not like it used to be where Windows XP was a constant headache and OSX was sooo much better. Microsoft has really caught up with their competition.

Also, if I need a machine with a slightly better video card, I don't want to have to purchase a top end iMac or MacBook Pro to get it. With a Windows PC, I can throw in whatever I want. If the Mac had a bit more flexibility, I wouldn't even be thinking about jumping ship. Apple needs to understand that the Mac is not an iPhone and shouldn't be treated as such. I don't want to spend $100 more for the next tier of memory. Just give me the base config, and when I want more memory, I'll add it.

It's just gotten really ridiculous.

First I need to state that the last time I had a Mac for me Leopard was the thing.

Do I think that W10 is great well beyond the telemtry and privacy concerns it seems to be fine. I spent a week with it and didn't hate it but that doesn't mean that I'd actually use it. The disposable computer idea isn't really an Apple only thing most of the big OEM's are doing it though Apple does tend to take it further than they do but I think it's a trend to stay. When I can no longer buy a laptop with upgradeable stuff I'll probably go niche with a Pi type laptop so I can just pop it out and pop a new one in.

When I comment it's rarely a condemnation of any particular thing or company it just general commentary on what I see I try to leave my biases at the door because things change around me whether I think it's good or bad and there is no point in alienating people. Do I think that Apple or MS is the future as we progress into the IOT, emphatically..NO..but I've been wrong about so many tech things in the past that my opinion isn't really worth all that much.

In the end I think people should not buy stuff thinking it'll solve all the ills they face and that it's better to just work with what they know.
 

0098386

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I used to like their longevity. My 12 year old Powerbook still works great because I swapped out the HDD and battery. But my current MBP (15" 2014 model) won't have that same lengthy life because everything is soldered.

If the hardware and software continue to be locked down then I'll be moving back to Windows. I already dual boot so it won't be difficult for me.
 
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