Ya I'm in exactly same boat. I think I'm going to do the same and just hate the price.
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Hi, maybe someone knows.
Is there anything to suggest that the 14.2 M1 Max 10/24 32GB/1TB will consume more battery than the 14.2 M1 Pro 10/16 32GB/1TB? Maybe that's why the upgrade to the M1 Max incl. 32GB seems cheaper than the M1 Pro with 32GB?
I have to say that I don't know much about computer technology. I was already despairing of the Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C differences yesterday.
Is there anything to suggest that the 14.2 M1 Max 10/24 32GB/1TB will consume more battery than the 14.2 M1 Pro 10/16 32GB/1TB? Maybe that's why the upgrade to the M1 Max incl. 32GB seems cheaper than the M1 Pro with 32GB?
I have to say that I don't know much about computer technology. I was already despairing of the Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C differences yesterday.
Most likely the M1Max will consume more power. Even if they switch off all the extra hardware (GPU cores, ProRes cores etc) when you don't need it, it will still have twice the memory bandwidth. That won't amount to too much, but if we're talking the long hours the laptop is supposed to be making (17 hours for the 14"), you may end up at 15-16 hours.
But all that's just a guess. Let's wait for the reviews on Monday for real numbers, if they already have them.
Thanks for your reply. I'm looking forward to it. I ordered both variants. I will cancel one.
Could it be that many have placed two orders here and will still cancel one? Perhaps this will change something about the delivery time.
I have four orders placed right now. I wish that I could cancel some to free them up for others (and free the $12k off my credit card) but I can't decide on size until I see and feel them in person, and can't decide on processor until I've seen thermal / battery life tests.I'm looking forward to it. Ordered both variants. I will cancel one.
Could it be that many have placed two orders here and will still cancel one? Perhaps this will change something about the delivery time.
I can understand. I also had 4 orders open at first. Cancelled two again (64GB RAM was megalomania). Luckily, it takes a few days for Apple to delete the reservation on the credit card. Who knows how much I would have ordered and cancelled
The choice was bigger than expected. But I've been opting for the 14 for a long time. That didn't really make the decision any easier either.
Adding back many ports (SD, HDMI - not so much needed) and not a normal USB is REALLY crazy, sorry ...
Probably true. My current MB is from the end of 2013. Since then, I have only marginally learned about the new TB and USB standards. Searched for a sinful docking station yesterday. That confused me even more. Most docking stations have countless HDMI, SD cards, etc. Ports. A normal USB port would have been a blessing.
I feel the same way about usb a, I have usb a connectors all over the place. But everyone is different, I’d gladly keep the SD but trade a thunderbolt for usb.
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yeah they should have at least included one USB-A port. definitely a miss.
if they wanted to cut costs they could have just removed the sd card slot, and replaced it with USB-A. sd card slot is on its way out too.
Like you and others, I would have loved a USB A port. I get it though. It's very old tech, but so many people still rely on it. IN saying that, I have now mitigated the need for dongles basically.
Instead of carrying around a dongle, I bought one of those mini USB to USB C cables for my external WD back up HD. Then I bought a printer USB to USB C to replace the Printer USB to USB A cable and dongle I was using. I had to carry around the printer cable anyway, so now I no longer have to rely on the dongle. It doesn't sound like much, but it's actually made a difference.
USB A is indeed old tech but many top-quality devices are still using it. For example, I have a Logitech g915 keyboard and a Logitech g502 mouse and they both connect via lightspeed (wireless) adapters which are USB A. This happens mainly to satisfy the majority of the users. At least the keyboard has the option to connect with Bluetooth so with one converter I will be ok..
USB-C is the new "normal" USB connector. USB-A is definitely an obsolescent (note: not obsolete) technology, but it will have a "long tail" until its demise, and I expect it to be around for many years to come, even on some new machines; Just not Apple Macs
Manufacturers have to draw the line somewhere with dated technology when something better comes along. USB-C is better than USB-A in every way, except that many people still have a lot of USB-A peripherals and cables. It's mildly annoying to have a collection of small adapters for my old external disks and USB-drives, but eventually these will be replaced by newer versions. All the disks I've bought in the last 2-3 years have been USB-C, so it's clearly the future and I won't buy any new USB-A devices unless for some reason it is the only option available (which becomes increasingly less likely).
Apple is always forward-looking with its adoption of new technology. First to remove the 3.5" floppy, then the CD-ROM, then most of the "standard ports". I'm actually surprised that they have back-tracked with the new MBPs. Clearly, not everyone is happy with their choices, but I think it is correct. SD-cards and HDMI are still very much "current technology", which USB-A is not.
My view is that the SD-cards are going to remain standard for many years, whereas USB-A is definitely on its way out.
Why? Because there is already a superior replacement for USB-A, but there isn't yet for SD cards.
USB-C is the evolution of USB-A and is already on most machines manufactured in the last 2-3 years. As yet, there is very little adoption of the possible successors to SD-XC, and no definite future "standard". It might be CFExpress-A or B, or SD-Express, but these won't be mainstream for another few years - there are so many devices that use SD (or micro-SD) that it has too large a user base to abandon (phones, cameras, drones, set-top boxes, and lots of other electronics)
I didn't know credit cards could get a balance that high.
Ha, exactly my problem too (rocking a late 2013 mid 15'' MBP) and trying to figure out how to replace my CalDigit TS2 (or 1?): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/which-hub-tb4-usb-c-should-i-get-for-a-14-mbp-m1max.2317870/
I am starting to get the feeling that the market needs a bit of time to adjust for the higher power requirements, the chip shortages, and the possibilities of the new MBPs, so I might just go for a cheap USB-C dock to cover me for the next 6 months and then upgrade to something more substantial.
Yeah I have this issue too. I almost picked up a TS3+ as it seems great, but it only supports DP1.2 and I want to power a 3400x1440 screen at the full 120hz, which the DP1.2 standard does not support. I also checked out the Caldigit Pro dock, but it's got the same issue.
The new USB4 docks look great but most of them only come with USB-C ports, defeating the purpose of the dock in the first place, as I will need adapters for Ethernet, Displayport, HDMI and USB-A then.
Hello, like all of you, i cant wait to put my hands on this new MBP 16".
I'm planning to buy it from NL (a-mac). They offer 2 years warranty. The question now is, if i have to repair it, can i bring it to another Apple Premium Reseller? Because i do not live in NL, and in my country there is no Apple Store, just some Authorised Resellers.
If i remember well, in the first year, the warranty is valid all over the world. Am i wrong?
I'm planning to buy it from NL (a-mac). They offer 2 years warranty. The question now is, if i have to repair it, can i bring it to another Apple Premium Reseller? Because i do not live in NL, and in my country there is no Apple Store, just some Authorised Resellers.
If i remember well, in the first year, the warranty is valid all over the world. Am i wrong?
I was putting off purchase of a TS3+ to see what Apple released, but after researching Thunderbolt 4 I went ahead and bought one while I could since lots of similar products were unavailable due to chip shortages.
The main reason is that it is the only Thunderbolt hub that has a S/PDIF interface, and I think I will be happy enough with it until Apple releases a new Thunderbolt display. Worst case I'll just have to have another cable or two connected to the laptop, which isn't great, but still doable.
Can you not connect the 120 Hz monitor to the downstream TB3 port, or will that not work either?
I've heard that even with the TB3 downstream port, you can only manage to get DP1.2 on the TS3+. Anyway, your post gave me the push I needed and I have now ordered the Caldigit Element Hub which, with 4 USB-A and 4 USB4 ports, should be plenty for my needs. I know I will need adapters for stuff, but I am hoping to just attach a USB-C hub with Ethernet, etc to it and use a USB-C to Displayport 1.4 cable for the display.
The only concern is that the 60W charging won't be enough for the 14 MBP, but I think it should be good for most workflows except for the most demanding gaming ones.
Here is a conversation I had with the folks at CalDigit as I own a TB3+
Currently, there is no certified Thunderbolt 4 cable nor USB-C cable that is capable of pushing more than 100W. In the new USB-IF's PD 3.1 spec , cables can support EPR, or Extended Power Range, which can support up to 240W power delivery. The MacBook Pro 16" M1 Max's Thunderbolt ports do not support EPR, so they are limited to 96W (100W is the theoretical maximum wattage for the current PD 3.0 specification, but nobody has cracked it yet due to the regulation). It will take time for the industry to build up a USB-C/ Thunderbolt ecosystem to support more than 100W charging.
As a side note, Apple claims these new M1 devices will not decrease performance when not being charged. Here's a quote from their website: "And unlike other notebooks, MacBook Pro delivers the same amazing performance whether it’s plugged in or not.". This means our 87W TS3 Plus or 60W Element Hub would not affect performance. They would still charge M1 Max Macs through its Thunderbolt port, just slower than 140W.
In the real world, we expect that for most use cases, our docks will provide an adequate charging solution for the new M1 Pro and Max MacBooks 16". During extreme use-cases where the CPU and GPU are kept throttled for an extended period of time, some discharge may occur, but during idle and less intensive workloads, the battery should replenish.
For more the compatibility of our docks and the new Macs, please visit - https://www.caldigit.com/caldigit-docks-and-apple-m1-pro.../
CalDigit Docks and Apple M1 Pro/M1 Max Compatibility – CalDigit
https://www.caldigit.com
SD cards-held entirely w/thumb and index finger. Capacity and speed keeps increasing, yet size and shape remain stable. Camcorders, Go-Pro's, cameras and field audio recorders have been using SD Cards for a while now. Slide it in, slide it out. Faster and more convenient than connecting your device to your computer. No cable to lose. Sony had that quirky memory stick; plus there's the too tiny micro SD. Both never caught on. Could removable media could get any smaller? And I don't see a physical storage device would ever be written out entirely. SD cards seem to perfectly fit a utilitarian need. And that's why they've stuck around so long. Watch for their continued use AND increasing speed/capacity.
TB/USB-C, is simply too fast, offering incredible bandwidth. (Not to mention there's no top or bottom. How many times have we put the USB in upside down?) $19 to offer a quick and dirty solution to accommodate a usb flash drive, or usb device is a crude sort of solution, given the fact that one TB port could handle multiple streaming USB devices.