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nquinn

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I have a 2011 15 MBP and patiently waited for an upgrade that I thought was worth while (to me at least.)
I placed my order for the 16’ MBP half an hour after the event, and now waiting until Nov 5 - 10 seems like forever :)
Basically same here! Though I have Nov 19-29
 
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StrollerEd

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Month and a half. 27 Nov - 3 Dec. But looking forward to you guys posting reviews!
Spotted what I wanted was discounted and available much earlier - ie 26th October, at Costco, in the UK. As my 'due date' from Apple Store was 9th November I've also ordered from Costco as well. Might be similar in your neck of the woods.


As said elsewhere, that's me waiting on a chicken and and egg - I'll keep you posted ;)
 
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NJRonbo

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My 16" Pro Max 64GB scheduled for Nov 3-5 also went into preparing for shipment last night and my card got charged.

The big question is, will all of us in the same situation actually have an MBP in hand on release day? Not sure how long the product stays in PFS mode.
 

TimothyJohn

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I have a 2011 15 MBP and patiently waited for an upgrade that I thought was worth while (to me at least.)
I placed my order for the 16’ MBP half an hour after the event, and now waiting until Nov 5 - 10 seems like forever :)
I have a 2011 15 MBP and patiently waited for an upgrade that I thought was worth while (to me at least.)
I placed my order for the 16’ MBP half an hour after the event, and now waiting until Nov 5 - 10 seems like forever :)
The graphics on my 2011 MacBook Pro 17" died for the 2nd time last summer. The hard drive on my 2010 iMac died for the second time shortly after. I can start the iMac from an external, but the fan noise is intolerable. Plus it's a Core 2 duo, so not good for much other than web surfing, word, PP, etc.

I ordered two M1 Airs in November. One for my wife. I would give the second to my daughter in the summer, as she prepared for her first year in college. She was still set for HS with her iPad (required by her school). Apple frequently does a Summer refresh, and I would jump on that. Two tbolt ports don't cut it for music. The hub experience is always a nuisance.

June was coming, and my plan was unfolding. Despite only two ports, the M1 handles my Rosetta'd Pro Tools sessions like a breeze~ But then!!?!! NO NEW LAPTOPS!!

I have been without a computer ever since. I acquired an M1 iPad 11". I planned on this for two reasons: a second sidecar monitor for Pro Tools and video editing (with pencil support!), and for music scores and set list apps. I've been making do with the iPad, and borrowing my wife's. But I'm not really doing anything other than the lightest session work on Pro Tools, and absolutely NO video editing... Meanwhile, I harvested the two 1tb SSD's off my 17" MacBook Pro.

The transition from the quad core i7 to the M1 was nothing short of stellar. No heat. No noise. Performance-jump off the charts. Even though ProTools still has to be Rosetta'd!! Not to mention the fact that the SSD speed is ten times that of the 17" OWC 6G SSD system drive.

But the M1Pro?

To say I'm excited and anxious is an understatement.
 

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nquinn

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Why are these macbooks so thick? That's what confuses me. The new Apple silicon runs cooler than any previous chip. Batteries have not increased in size.

The only 2 theories I have are:
1. They wanted overall better cooling to be able to max out the chips more / not thermal throttle (more air space, bigger heat sinks, larger fans maybe)
2. Maybe they wanted more room for the 6 speaker audio solution & bass?

Don't get me wrong, I previously HATED Apple's constant drive towards more thinness at the expense of functionality, but kind of feel like they may have gone a little too far in the wrong direction here. After all these are laptops, not desktops.

The counter to that point though is that most people today use laptops as desktops at home since desktops barely sell, so I suppose it's justifiable to some extent. Just feels like the form factor is starting to be abused though since the intent is portability.
 

NJRonbo

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Why are these macbooks so thick? That's what confuses me. The new Apple silicon runs cooler than any previous chip. Batteries have not increased in size.

The only 2 theories I have are:
1. They wanted overall better cooling to be able to max out the chips more / not thermal throttle (more air space, bigger heat sinks, larger fans maybe)
2. Maybe they wanted more room for the 6 speaker audio solution & bass?

Don't get me wrong, I previously HATED Apple's constant drive towards more thinness at the expense of functionality, but kind of feel like they may have gone a little too far in the wrong direction here. After all these are laptops, not desktops.

The counter to that point though is that most people today use laptops as desktops at home since desktops barely sell, so I suppose it's justifiable to some extent. Just feels like the form factor is starting to be abused though since the intent is portability.

I hear yuh.

The extra thickness and weight doesn't matter to me when I understand that I am getting a more "Pro" machine than what had been previously available for years prior. I think people had it with "dongles"

I think sticking a lot of those ports back in also contributed to the thickness.
 
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Falhófnir

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Why are these macbooks so thick? That's what confuses me. The new Apple silicon runs cooler than any previous chip. Batteries have not increased in size.

The only 2 theories I have are:
1. They wanted overall better cooling to be able to max out the chips more / not thermal throttle (more air space, bigger heat sinks, larger fans maybe)
2. Maybe they wanted more room for the 6 speaker audio solution & bass?

Don't get me wrong, I previously HATED Apple's constant drive towards more thinness at the expense of functionality, but kind of feel like they may have gone a little too far in the wrong direction here. After all these are laptops, not desktops.

The counter to that point though is that most people today use laptops as desktops at home since desktops barely sell, so I suppose it's justifiable to some extent. Just feels like the form factor is starting to be abused though since the intent is portability.
This, I think. Efficiency or no, a system drawing over 100W under load is going to need quite some cooling. Apple Silicon doesn't mean less heat being produced when drawing 100W, it means it doesn't draw as much power to give the same amount or more performance.

I think the marketing renders Apple have given make them look huge, like way bigger than they actually are from the leaked IRL photos, where they look better. The other thing is the new design doesn't disguise how thick they are as well as the previous one did.
 

nquinn

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This, I think. Efficiency or no, a system drawing over 100W under load is going to need quite some cooling. Apple Silicon doesn't mean less heat being produced when drawing 100W, it means it doesn't draw as much power to give the same amount or more performance.

I think the marketing renders Apple have given make them look huge, like way bigger than they actually are from the leaked IRL photos, where they look better. The other thing is the new design doesn't disguise how thick they are as well as the previous one did.
Eh just look at the video of the vietnamese guy comparing his old mbp to the new 16. They are definitely chunky, and the extra weight is no joke if you are carrying them around a lot.
 
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Falhófnir

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Eh just look at the video of the vietnamese guy comparing his old mbp to the new 16. They are definitely chunky, and the extra weight is no joke if you are carrying them around a lot.
Yes, though bear in mind that was the Touch Bar 15", which is quite a bit smaller than the 2019 16" (the Touch Bar 16" being very similar in size to the retina 15"). They are definitely 'chunkier' in design, they seem to have embraced it with this design rather than trying to hide it, but the renders honestly make them look like they are the size of the unibodies, which they are still far from!

The weight is an issue, I'm really not sure why they're so much heavier... the battery is usually what drives weight gain/loss and it's the same size as the 2019 16"...
 

nquinn

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Yes, though bear in mind that was the Touch Bar 15", which is quite a bit smaller than the 2019 16" (the Touch Bar 16" being very similar in size to the retina 15"). They are definitely 'chunkier' in design, they seem to have embraced it with this design rather than trying to hide it, but the renders honestly make them look like they are the size of the unibodies, which they are still far from!

The weight is an issue, I'm really not sure why they're so much heavier... the battery is usually what drives weight gain/loss and it's the same size as the 2019 16"...
Right, and the new SOC should be lighter than intel+discrete GPU configs. It's gotta be heat sinks and extra speaker stuff adding the weight. I could have done without the audio upgrades.

I'm also torn if I'd be willing to give up some battery life to save a bit of weight, particularly on the 16". I know many would take the extra battery life by FAR, but again these are laptops, not desktops. Weight does matter.
 

matram

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Yes, though bear in mind that was the Touch Bar 15", which is quite a bit smaller than the 2019 16" (the Touch Bar 16" being very similar in size to the retina 15"). They are definitely 'chunkier' in design, they seem to have embraced it with this design rather than trying to hide it, but the renders honestly make them look like they are the size of the unibodies, which they are still far from!

The weight is an issue, I'm really not sure why they're so much heavier... the battery is usually what drives weight gain/loss and it's the same size as the 2019 16"...
Some possible reasons:
- improved cooling
- the square design will use more Aluminum than a tapered design
- strengthening the lid to better protect the screen
 

Falhófnir

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Right, and the new SOC should be lighter than intel+discrete GPU configs. It's gotta be heat sinks and extra speaker stuff adding the weight. I could have done without the audio upgrades.

I'm also torn if I'd be willing to give up some battery life to save a bit of weight, particularly on the 16". I know many would take the extra battery life by FAR, but again these are laptops, not desktops. Weight does matter.
Some possible reasons:
- improved cooling
- the square design will use more Aluminum than a tapered design
- strengthening the lid to better protect the screen
Heatsink I could definitely see, These machines will benefit from having a large thermal inertia for light tasks (not having to turn on the fans). I'm not sure how much that should weigh though? Probably a combination of factors.
 

Dave Y

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Re thickness, thinking (maybe wishfullly) it’s a little over-engineered for quiet/cool.

Partly because they know they screwed up with the 2019 16”. Partly because quiet/cool became more of a selling point lately with all the WFH zoom/teams leafblower sessions.

Ever so slightly disappointed the 16” is heavier than my 2013 15”, but will take quiet/cool over a few ounces any day.
 

bradl

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Re thickness, thinking (maybe wishfullly) it’s a little over-engineered for quiet/cool.

Partly because they know they screwed up with the 2019 16”. Partly because quiet/cool became more of a selling point lately with all the WFH zoom/teams leafblower sessions.

Ever so slightly disappointed the 16” is heavier than my 2013 15”, but will take quiet/cool over a few ounces any day.

I can see it being heavier slightly, because of what goes into it. I wouldn't expect it to be a couple of pounds/kilos heavy, but definitely comparable. But I'm going from a 2011 MBA to the new 14" MBP, so I'm willingly knowing that it will be heavier.

BL.
 

adjeff8

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From a consumer standpoint you may be right on a couple of things here...

.. but you also have to understand that the MBP wasn't just made for the consumer.

Businesses could use that HDMI port, especially if needing to set up for meetings, demonstrations, product pitches, etc, without having to pull out various dongles to get things set up. Same for MagSafe, as it's an easy disconnect without potentially ruining the USB-C cord, let alone the port.

Besides, with USB-C being there, there could be the ability to simultaneously charge by MagSafe as well as by passthrough USB-C, giving you the ability to charge your Mac faster.

Sometimes one needs to look outside the scope of their own use to see what other potential uses everyone may have.

BL.
It's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, but when charging thru the MagSafe you get a 50% charge in 30 mins
 

nquinn

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I can see it being heavier slightly, because of what goes into it. I wouldn't expect it to be a couple of pounds/kilos heavy, but definitely comparable. But I'm going from a 2011 MBA to the new 14" MBP, so I'm willingly knowing that it will be heavier.

BL.
Haha ya like me this is going to be an incredible upgrade. I also have a 2011 MBP 13", though obviously at work have been using much more modern stuff like a 2019 16"
 

bradl

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It's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, but when charging thru the MagSafe you get a 50% charge in 30 mins

That is true. But what my question is: Could you charge with both USB-C and Magsafe simultaneously? If so, you could beat that 50% charge in 30 minutes, as you'll have multiple sources to charge your battery.

BL.
 

mosh.jinton

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Anyone else a little anxious about battery life on the 14" model? Anyone managed to convince themselves it'll be fine?
 
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