We could get an announcement as late as October or November, esp if the iPhone event is in September.
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Waiting for 2021 MBP
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I have an 15“ 2015 mbp and actually it’s still strong. What is your main purpose to upgrade ?
Your question is like "You are 40 and your wife is 60, why are you upgrading to a 20 y.o. one?"
Given that there are hardly any deals to be had on MBPs (as compared to MBAs), I think an announcement this year is very unlikely.
Interesting. When I look at deals at Best Buy in the US, there's zero deals on MBPs, while $100 off on MBAs.
New rumours from DigiTimes via @RetiredEngineer:
TLDR: M1X will use same architecture as M1 but improved lithography (N5P), M2 delayed late into 2022.
TLDR: M1X will use same architecture as M1 but improved lithography (N5P), M2 delayed late into 2022.
Seeing a lot of great deals on new MBAs and MBPs. Seems odd if new ones are months or even a half-year away.
Wow great find!!
Assuming this is true it sure is nice to see that the M1X will have at least some improvements with the N5P process over the M1 even though it will miss out on the larger core improvements coming with M2.
Obviously the M1X will be the king of multi core for some time but it will be very interesting to see how the M1X stacks against the M2 in single core performance. The M1X may still pull ahead due to it being designed for higher power draw.
Another thing that will be very interesting is the GPU options. Assuming 16 core and 32 core are correct, we have to wonder what the standard will be for each size. It’s also a question if there will be binned versions of each (maybe a 14 core for the 16 core and a 28 core for the 32 core). Alternatively maybe the 16 core is the binned model for the 32 core… The 16” has always kept itself separate by having better GPU performance compared to the smaller MacBook Pros so hopefully the 32 core (or some binned variation) comes standard.
That's exactly what I was starting to think as well. M? processors for mainstream, M?X for prosumer. I could probably get along fine with an M1 for what I do (Logic Pro as the heaviest application), but there's a nagging feeling that more cores and memory would be better in the long run. So I'm eyeing either an MBP or a mac mini with the M1X. If that comes along later this year, yippie yay yeay!
Thanks! I'm quite happy with N5P as well. That's 5% better perf and 10% better efficiency (vs N5) from lithography alone.
I actually don't expect such a big difference between N5P and N4. Extrapolating from the stats between N5 and N3, N4 should have around 2.5 to 5% better perf and 7.5 to 10% better efficiency (vs N5P).
I actually don't expect such a big difference between N5P and N4. Extrapolating from the stats between N5 and N3, N4 should have around 2.5 to 5% better perf and 7.5 to 10% better efficiency (vs N5P).
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I will buy it with 8TB.
With 16TB if it’s possible.
Me 2.
Will be doing lots of 4K video and want to keep the originals around for a while. Not interested in the external HD shuffle until i abs. have to.
Wonder if, since they won't need intel size fans in it, they have a second drive bay option.
Prob. not though. still....
Will be doing lots of 4K video and want to keep the originals around for a while. Not interested in the external HD shuffle until i abs. have to.
Wonder if, since they won't need intel size fans in it, they have a second drive bay option.
Prob. not though. still....
And I hope they will use the professional cooling paste https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste and not their bad thing
This will increase the performance and even hold it much longer.
For example the Air M1 will not lose 25% performance when you change the cooling paste for a professional one and it will run with full speed even longer than the Pro M1!
Are you serious about this? Is this confirmed? I‘d be surprised if they‘d hamper their most sucessful Mac (in sales numbers) by saving a few cents using cheap thermal paste. They can‘t be that crazyAnd I hope they will use the professional cooling paste https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste and not their bad thing
This will increase the performance and even hold it much longer.
For example the Air M1 will not lose 25% performance when you change the cooling paste for a professional one and it will run with full speed even longer than the Pro M1!
I know its easy getting into the endless loop of waiting for the next best thing, but is anyone considering waiting to see the new MBA, assuming November release of the Pros and if the Q1 MBA rumor consists?
Me! I have a 12” MacBook that works pretty well for me right now but I do eventually want to upgrade. I can’t decide between just getting an M1 MBA right now, redesigned MBP this fall, or redesigned MBA next year. Battery life is my top priority, and even though the redesigned MBP will be more powerful it’s hard to imagine them having better battery life than the M1 machines since they are more focused on power. I do quite like the way the renders of the redesigned MBA look.
New MBP will have better battery life than the M1 MBA and MBP for similar use case. The Mini LED screen will save a ton of power and if M1X is on N5P indeed, it should get a 10% better power efficiency.
Agreed. Yet we do not know what the power draw of the higher performance chips is going to be. I guess its reasonable to assume the power draw will be higher given the higher performance. Hence there are three questions remaining:
- What are the gains achieved by the next gen node?
- What is the performance gain / added power draw of the higher tier ASi chips?
- How is Apple compensaring for the added power draw - assuming: larger battery
The specifics of which we don‘t know at this point
We already know N5P grants 10% more efficiency and 5% better perf vs M1 on N5. You can add a couple perf points if they clock cores a bit higher.
As for power draw, we could extrapolate from the A-series power scaling no? Look at how Dave2D assessed the perf and power draw of the 16 and 32 GPU cores:
Well, I do not doubt those values. However, notice the „estimate“? Its all but certain that this is what Apple comes up with.
In particular, the transition to ASi is scheduled to be completed in less than a year. The question remains what Apple is going to come up with for the future Mac Pro. I have a suspicion that Apple is - again - surprising us. This is because they need to come up with an interface for Graphics Accelerator / ML Accelerator / Neural Engine / Whatever New Feature, assuming they are not going to abandon this market segment.
They need to compete with Nvidia‘s and/or AMDs fastest GPUs; the solution for which is yet unknown, in particular the interfacing and memory architecture they go with may be something novel. Could be PCIe based or something completely different.
I‘d not be surprised if its the latter; in which case we might be discussing a whole new approach very soon
In particular, the transition to ASi is scheduled to be completed in less than a year. The question remains what Apple is going to come up with for the future Mac Pro. I have a suspicion that Apple is - again - surprising us. This is because they need to come up with an interface for Graphics Accelerator / ML Accelerator / Neural Engine / Whatever New Feature, assuming they are not going to abandon this market segment.
They need to compete with Nvidia‘s and/or AMDs fastest GPUs; the solution for which is yet unknown, in particular the interfacing and memory architecture they go with may be something novel. Could be PCIe based or something completely different.
I‘d not be surprised if its the latter; in which case we might be discussing a whole new approach very soon
Yeah but we’re talking about the MBP here. There’s no way we get something else than a SOC, with CPU, GPU and NPU. And the rumours have been pretty consistent around 16 and 32 GPU cores chips.