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iPad We need to file a class action lawsuit for iPadOS
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Or, and stay with me here, Apple released an iPad which outstrips all other tablet sales by a large margin, but really a couple of shouty macrumours types want it to run macos.
I agree that this seems to be more of an issue with developer disinterest than any shortcomings of iPadOS. My guess is that this is due to users being habituated to paying far less for mobile apps compared to desktop apps. There’s likely less money to be made on pro-level iPad apps than there is on pro-level Mac apps.
When Big Sur came out optimized for ARM I was really looking forward to install it on my iPad but Apple doesn’t allow that unfortunately. The iPadpro is just a giant iPhone
Big Sur was supposed to run on iPad Pro as being ARM optimized. Just marketing and profits. iPad is just a giant iPhone.I would like to be able to run Microsoft office on the PS5 and Xbox as well. I mean, the specs are certainly there to support it.
That channel usually produces hot air for clicks.
Depends what you mean by expect. Want for oneself? For sure. Expect because the company has any kind of obligation (outside of the law)? No. I suppose you could expect but it’s unfounded.
If this device is real, it would probably be the most realistic implementation of dual boot ipadOS/macOS. But that doesn’t mean it will be a good device for more than a small niche. It will be expensive, at least as much as a Mac mini, and at least the bulk and weight of a MacBook Air base, which is more than that of a Magic Keyboard. Actually, all you’d really save is the MacBook display bulk and weight, which is pretty minimal, but you’d gain a little bulk back with the iPad attachment system. And you’d also lose the ability to use macOS standalone without having to get and attach the iPad, plus obviously you’d lose the ability to use both devices at the same time.
Personally, I don’t think such a device would be as great as some people think. I think most would be much better served with a light MacBook and iPad, which are very convenient to use together because of Continuity, sync, Universal Control, and Sidecar.
Yep. This is true.
This has been debunked so many times.
I’m not sure. Why would it need to be big and heavy? An iPhone didn’t and that’s a variation of the same chip. A keyboard inherently gives more space than a phone. The iPad actually has the m1, but it’s only as large as the screen. A keyboard the size of a normal mini keyboard with perhaps a bit of added thickeness should easily be enough.
Plus - yes. It would be at least the cost of a Mac mini. It would be a Mac mini.
I don’t think it would have the proposed iPad attachment system. It can be achieved via sidecar or Thunderbolt.
If you ask me then a mini self contained in a keyboard (think of the old all in ones aka the amiga or the st), would be a great product.
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If they allowed iPadOS 15 on 1GB RAM, then it would be a different class action lawsuit claiming planned obsolescence by purposely slowing down old iPads.
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It’s not a Mini, but it’s pretty cool nonetheless…
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For me, tablets/iPads are not meant to be laptop replacements. There is a reason why tablets have their own section in several manufacturers which coincidentally still sell laptops. People have just the wrong expectations for a device due to their own lack of research.
It’s not a Mini, but it’s pretty cool nonetheless…
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Raspberry Pi 400 is your complete personal computer, built into a compact keyboard. Featuring a quad-core 64-bit processor, 4GB of RAM, wireless networking, dual-display output, and 4K video playback, as well as a 40-pin GPIO header, it's the most powerful and easy-to-use Raspberry Pi computer yet.
The RPis (even the 4) are much slower even compared to older iPhones. They're pretty neat as servers/IoT and for learning though. I have one running OMV and another for Pi-hole. Planning on setting up another one for HOOBS or Homebridge.
I had to use the desktop for initial setup (writing images to SD card and modifying settings files) but after that, they run headless and I just control them via ssh from the iPad.
I have a couple of RPi4’s in Flirc cases running Ropieee XL as music streamers. They’re limited of course, but really great for what they are.
Maybe I shouldn’t have been so quick to ask for a class action lawsuit, it seems like the possibility of Apple fixing the iPad Pro is at least believable, and I want to believe it, but I’m taking those rumours with a grain of salt
No, you assumed people had your same line of thought. To your surprise several people here did do their research and came to an understanding what an iPad is versus a laptop and how it fits into their setups. Furthermore, they also tested one out in store to see if it was the device to buy.
Clearly, by your own admission, you didn't and now feel remorse.
Just buy a Mac if it bothers you that much...iPad is a great media device and maybe that's how you should judge it
An unlikely theory, besides the return period would then clear the mislead group out.
Adding functionality and new features to a product you liked already is hardly “fixing” it.
Oh I thought you were referring to the patent, but I see you meant a detached keyboard Mac. That could be better than an attached keyboard base Mac in some ways. It’s cleaner, and does allow the keyboard part to be theoretically as compact as possible since it doesn’t have to support the weight of an iPad. Though I’m not sure how much smaller/lighter it can be without compromises. I believe macOS is more power hungry than iPadOS, so I think it requires more volume and mass for thermals and battery despite using the same chip. On the other hand, the battery doesn’t have to power a display, so it could be significantly smaller/lighter.
Of course, the trade off is having two free floating devices—not as convenient to maneuver around compared to one unit, plus you’d need some kind of a stand for the iPad, or maybe a Smart Cover. Also with just the keyboard you wouldn’t get the trackpad.
There might be a little more of a market for a detached keyboard Mac than an attached keyboard base Mac, just because of the compactness, but in my opinion it’d still be pretty niche, because of the downsides I mentioned in my last post. Mainly because of cost. It would probably cost significantly more than a Mac mini since it would also include a battery and keyboard. The keyboard base would cost even more with the trackpad.
So I think if an iPad owner wants to buy a portable Mac and has to pay near MacBook prices regardless, most would rather just get a fully functioning MacBook. As I mentioned before, that way they can use both devices at the same time for even more functionality, and they have the option to leave the iPad somewhere and just use the MacBook if they only need macOS and don’t want to carry two devices. (This would be lighter overall than the keyboard base + iPad.) A few for whom it’s much more important to reduce weight/size than have a fully functioning laptop, would get the keyboard Mac, assuming it’s significantly smaller and lighter than a MacBook without major performance compromises. Probably fewer people would get a keyboard base Mac like the one in the patent, as it likely wouldn’t be saving significant volume and weight compared to a MacBook Air and smallish iPad. It might be for people who specifically need a big tablet for something like drawing on a big canvas, then there could be more significant size and weight savings. But for others, the Macbook already has the bigger screen, so a smaller iPad would make more sense for less redundancy.
Side note, going back to the patent article, of course it doesn’t actually say that the keyboard base runs any OS, just that a “macOS-like UI” is triggered by attaching the base. So it could mean it’s still the iPad running iPadOS but in a sort of macOS mode with things like floating windows. That would probably allow the iPad to not have to completely reboot.
They make a $300-350 keyboard and trackpad for it, and it supports a mouse as well. And it has an M1.
That gives a lot of reason to consider it more than a media device.
Personally I think you are deciding for everyone what your wants are. I think people should/will do research to ensure they know exactly what they are getting and understand the features/benefits of said device. If what a company offers does not meet your requirements, select something else. Pretty simple.
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