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wicknix

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Tolerable. About the same responsiveness as Leopard on the same machine. All depends on the DE. Mate was sluggish, purged that and went with icewm instead. Now she zips right along.
 
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MacPro2006VBox

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Tolerable. About the same responsiveness as Leopard on the same machine. All depends on the DE. Mate was sluggish, purged that and went with icewm instead. Now she zips right along.

I’ve got OpenBSD on this guy
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wicknix

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The Goodwill iMac G5 got the triple boot treatment today. Tiger, Leopard and Linux. Here's where the fun began...
I installed Lubuntu 16.04 Remix (because i wanted yaboot), then removed the dead apt sources and replaced them with a Debian snapshot from 2020. Then very very carefully updated select packages. I now have a pseudo Ubuntu 20.04 on here with updated software, and other software that was never included in 16.04's repos. I dig it.

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MarkC426

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I installed Lubuntu 16.04 Remix (because i wanted yaboot), then removed the dead apt sources and replaced them with a Debian snapshot from 2020. Then very very carefully updated select packages. I now have a pseudo Ubuntu 20.04 on here with updated software, and other software that was never included in 16.04's repos. I dig it.
If only this made any sense to me......you just lost me on line 1......:oops:
You always achieve miracles with software....👍
 

theMarble

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The Goodwill iMac G5 got the triple boot treatment today. Tiger, Leopard and Linux. Here's where the fun began...
I installed Lubuntu 16.04 Remix (because i wanted yaboot), then removed the dead apt sources and replaced them with a Debian snapshot from 2020. Then very very carefully updated select packages. I now have a pseudo Ubuntu 20.04 on here with updated software, and other software that was never included in 16.04's repos. I dig it.

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Would it be possible to do this with 22.04 or 22.10 as well?
 

wicknix

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Are you talking about on Intel? Yes. Highly not recommended unless you know exactly what you can and can't install without breaking the system. Debian and Ubuntu are generally binary compatible, but some things are just different enough to break it. There is no ppc ubuntu newer than 16.04 officially. I just cobbled this together for my own needs.
 
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netsrot39

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I now have a pseudo Ubuntu 20.04 on here with updated software, and other software that was never included in 16.04's repos. I dig it.

I know I'm in no position to ask but would you mind creating an image or your own version of Ubuntu 20.04 for PowerPC? I mean something similar to your remix editions. Again, I totally understand if you would not be down for that but I gotta admit your remix versions are still really great to use.
 

wicknix

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I've pondered it before, but its really a lot of work to edit and remake the live .iso. What i could do though is make a mini guide with the debian snaphot link, and a list of software that i found safe to upgrade and/or install. On the main Remix page there already has been a guide here, but it doesn't list what's ok to install. Mainly what i've found is console apps and libs, and gtk apps are pretty safe. The main thing is do not let it upgrade xorg, linux-base, or libc6, and do not do an apt upgrade. So when apt install gives you a list of whats to be installed or upgraded, look it over. If you see any of those in the list, choose no. I've safely updated ca-certificates, bash, python, perl, binutils, coreutils, mpv, ffmpeg etc. Basically, don't get greedy. If the installed software works, leave it be (unless a newer version gives more features or has major bug fixes) and only install what you need updated (like python3 to make yt-dlp work), or maybe something that wasn't included in 16.04 (like bitlbee and the GoodVibes internet radio streamer app i installed).

Attached below is a list of what i have installed/updated currently. It's by no means a full list of what will work. This is just a dirty hack to extend the life of 16.04 a bit longer. Be prepared to reinstall a few times if you install something that b0rks it. Make notes of what worked, and what hosed the system so that you don't make that mistake again.

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Doq

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Dec 8, 2019
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If you like a package as it is or know it has issues, you can mark it held to prevent apt from updating it with apt-mark as so:

Bash:
sudo apt-mark hold libc6

Repeat for each package to hold, and if you go to install a package it tries to pull an updated version of one of those, it'll fail and tell you that a package is held. Very useful for something like this.

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As for me, I just threw my YouTube sub feed into NetNewsWire so that I don't have to pull up the clunky main page anymore, at least for the remainder of my challenge. Things are going well.
 

VirtuallyInsane

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I made this on my iBook G4. I know that it's absolutely awful quality, but it took ages for the files to import, even in 320x240 format, so you'll have to bear with it. It looks crap on my iBook G4 as well, but I guess this is the price you have to pay for importing something that has 2005-7 standard YouTube quality, lol.

Please, I beg of you not to make this big screen, if you wanna read everything:



The end credits are added also, in case I plan to upload this to YouTube. I am having second thoughts, though 'cause everything is hard to read.
 

dandeco

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Interesting; today I tinkered around with my late 2003 14" iBook G4, largely using iMovie 3 from 20 years ago...
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The interface got a slight redesign with Apple's "brushed metal" look, it added integration with iPhoto and iDVD, more visual effects, a clip trimmer, Quicktime file import, rubberband audio editing and Skywalker sound effects! But you could still only work with 4:3 video footage and capture from DV tape-based camcorders, and no audio waveforms or effects. Pretty minimalist compared to iMovie HD 6 from three years later, and a far cry from the current iMovie for MacOS!
 

dandeco

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Do you know when 14:9/16:9 support was added? TV broadcasts in widescreen have been happening since the late 90's-early 20's. Maybe it was FCP only at the time...
It was added with iMovie HD in 2005. Indeed before that, 16:9 support was mostly in prosumer/professional video editing software: not just Final Cut, but even Adobe Premiere 6.5 from 2002 had it!
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On the Windows side of consumer video editing applications, I recall Pinnacle Studio (Plus) 9 and the first Adobe Premiere Elements came with 16:9 support, and this was back in 2004. Shortly after, others followed, especially as more and more consumer video editing software began to add some form of HDV support. (Again, iMovie HD from 2005 was most likely the first consumer video editing software to support high-definition footage, back when it was still mostly prosumers and professionals working with HD video.)
 

VirtuallyInsane

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Nov 16, 2018
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Got a "new" iMac G5 (actually, it was a bargain and I am planning to upgrade it to Sorbet Leopard at some point in the future, just not right now, and did an operation on it. I transplanted the Airport Extreme Card from my iBook G4 (which will be getting another one very soon) and into the back of the iMac:

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Opening up this Mac is so simple. You just need to unscrew the three large screws in the back and lift it off.

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The insides are nice. Easy to get at, very easy to install the Airport Extreme with.

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Eventually, I managed to get it up and running.
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I've installed a few applications onto it, and I am going to tinker around with them. In the meantime, the iBook has been relegated to media playback, writing, and running vintage apps. I will get it up and running online as soon as I can and play around with Macports more then.
 

Tsomi

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Feb 28, 2023
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I’m part of the ScummVM team and I’ve built the latest 2.7.0 release for Tiger/Leopard PPC (mostly thanks to the TenFourFox toolkit):
https://www.scummvm.org/downloads/ (look for the PPC download below).

If you don’t know ScummVM, it’s an open-source series of game interpreters for adventure and RPG games. Think of the LucasArts games, King Quest series, Blade Runner, Simon the Sorcerer, Discworld, Ultima and many more!

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Maintaining the OSX PPC port is also a way of making sure our PS3, Wii, AmigaOS and MorphOS ports remain in good shape, since they’re big-endian targets too.

If people are interested in testing it on G3s running Tiger that’d be great. Make sure that your monitor settings are configured to "Millions of colors" though!
 

philgxxd

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Feb 11, 2017
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I’m part of the ScummVM team and I’ve built the latest 2.7.0 release for Tiger/Leopard PPC (mostly thanks to the TenFourFox toolkit):
https://www.scummvm.org/downloads/ (look for the PPC download below).

If you don’t know ScummVM, it’s an open-source series of game interpreters for adventure and RPG games. Think of the LucasArts games, King Quest series, Blade Runner, Simon the Sorcerer, Discworld, Ultima and many more!

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Maintaining the OSX PPC port is also a way of making sure our PS3, Wii, AmigaOS and MorphOS ports remain in good shape, since they’re big-endian targets too.

If people are interested in testing it on G3s running Tiger that’d be great. Make sure that your monitor settings are configured to "Millions of colors" though!
May I ask why it is that important to put million colors?
 

Tsomi

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Feb 28, 2023
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May I ask why it is that important to put million colors?

It would then silently fail to start, and it looks like some PPC users frequently lower the number of colors in their system settings for some reason.

Maybe the next release should be a bit more helpful in that case :)
 
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dandeco

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Technically this is yesterday because the render/export process took quite a while, but yesterday I shot a Zak Wolf fursuit throwback vlog on my Canon Optura 60 MiniDV camcorder and edited it on my PowerMacG4 MDD from 2003, in Adobe Premiere 6.5 on Mac OS 9!
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Capturing the footage...

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The editing process.

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Just like in the old Final Cut Pro/Express, the render feature could be a pain at times, taking a long time in some cases. And when I'd apply a transition or color correction filter, or one of the images in the Video 2 track, the video would still play back but without those edits visible until it's rendered (compared to the old Final Cut having that darn "Unrendered" screen).
The export process also took quite a while, and then after the project was exported I had to transcode it in QuickTime Pro on the MDD G4's Mac OS X 10.4.11 "Tiger" system to an MPEG-4 format compatible with modern MacOS versions and YouTube. But here's the finished video!
It did take considerably longer than it does to shoot a vlog on my Canon VIXIA HF-R600 flash-memory high-definition camcorder and edit/render the footage on the current iMovie, Final Cut Pro or Premiere Pro on my M1 MacBook Air, and of course it's in standard-definition, but it was still a fun project to do!
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And it also gave me a chance to use my Canon DM-50 shotgun microphone with one of my compatible MiniDV camcorders (so you don't hear the whirring of the tape mechanism picked up by the onboard mic).
 
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