This madness will surely improve but is currently the number one reason I will never purchase an EV.
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This madness will surely improve but is currently the number one reason I will never purchase an EV.
Than you entirely misunderstand the situation. 🤷♂️
If you are looking for a reason not to go EV, that and any other reason they can think of will work. For those of us with EVs, we know better from real world experience. Not everyone is ready, we have to learn that if they aren’t honestly looking, there is no point trying to convince them.
No I didn’t.
I don’t need an excuse to include or exclude a product to purchase.
I’ll probably buy one more set of cars for personal use in my life.
Unfortunately owning an EV today means always being in search of the next charging station which is an absurd annoyance. I took a day trip from Sacramento to Lake Tahoe which took three charging stops at 15m each.
Batteries and charging stations will improve over the next decade so that nonsense will eventually be a thing of the past. But at the moment it is what it is. If anyone is looking for reasons it is the EV buyer who must be willing to overlook the hassles of constant charging. Not that there’s anything wrong with it but it is reality.
No you are not. But sounds like you really don’t want to hear actual experiences from people driven these for many kilometers across many countries. It sounds like you know it all without actually owning one. Amazing skills, enjoy.
I don’t need to buy a trailer and live in a trailer park to know that purchase isn’t going to work for me.
My day trip was with EV owners who love it. And by the way, I bought the car for them as a graduation gift.
Lastly, I’m not in denial that there are lots of EV owners who love their purchase.
Nor am I in denial there are reasonable people who see the disadvantages outweigh the advantages…at least at the current time. I’m confident those disadvantages will eventually disappear in the next decade or so.
I’m sorry but this is wrong. 90-95% of charging is done at home. So who is who is looking for a charger? People that don’t know their way home.
On the rare occasions you do need to charge on the road, software and apps guide you were to go. Nearly all service stations on motorways in the UK have charging points.
Unfortunately it isn’t wrong, and charging on the road is not rare whatsoever. Btw, according to an 2023 article roughly 50% of UK homes are unsuitable for home charging. I’m not a UK resident so it’s immaterial.
Nonetheless, these EV disadvantages will slowly disappear over time. But for now they are genuine issues for the market.
Which is why there are schemes for charging points outside houses where there isn’t a drive etc.
I’m not sure it’s as high as 50% (but of course it depends on what website data you read). Many of those homes are located within big cities like London where many don’t even own a car due to good public transportation etc.
All new builds in the UK are built with off street parking for the last few years.
no question that the charging curve flattens, but without knowing any more details, it might or it might not be "highly inefficient". From the photo it looks the battery is t 99% and it is still accepting 19kW ...
I've only had 1 roadtrip in my Ioniq 5, but the 2nd stop on that it charged from 46% to 89% in just under 16 min, and we took a pit stop and a quick walk to stretch and I was surprised the charge was that high ... I am going to have several roadtrips coming up in the next month and I will keep an eye on this
Yeah, I was surprised at the number… it was actually 44% and by Lloyds Bank. It mentioned the reason being the lack of off road parking and that’s an issue in any densely populated area. Had I been born 30 years later I probably would have lived long enough to have bought an EV.
Yes, but when you are on a ROAD TRIP - LONG DISTANCE - in unfamiliar areas, I always will charge to 100% because you never know what might lie ahead.
2 months ago, I had to take detour for a huge wildfire on the 5 Freeway in So Calif.
Glad I got a full charge because if I didn't I would have run out of charge on the detour.
Just look at that curve for the Mach-E it is bad, seriously bad after 80%. https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360019984758-Ford
Compare that to the Ioniq 5 which is way more tapered and thus gradual. https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/4405121276945-Hyundai
For most batteries when doing a road trip it is quicker to keep the stops between 10/20-80 and have the battery preconditioned when you arrive. When you understand the curve of your particular model, you can really charge in an optimised manner.
So no charges in say a radius of 200 miles (ca. 322 km) is normal? Fair enough then, but I got to admit, I wouldn't get an EV then. The EVs I've had and driven all indicate that on the onboard screen, and I just trust it.
? That trip is only ~113 miles. Most new EV's could do a round trip with one battery charge ... ?
Indeed. Mine is one of the lower range cars and I could easily manage that without a stop. Let alone 3 stops.
Here are some details since you’re curious.
It‘s a low model too: 2023 Tesla, Model 3 @ ~$48k.
We were in SF the previous day so their car wasn’t fully charged when we started the Tahoe trip.
Round trip just to Tahoe is about 250 miles, half of which is going up the mountain.
We visited a couple of spots on the lake so that probably added 25-50 miles tops.
There’s a shortage of convenient super charging stations on that route so you take what you can get or risk running too low.
In Tahoe we had to wait about 5m or so for a charger to open up and then wasted a half hour in the casino during the charge. That’s okay because they spent $500 in there. It’s good for the economy. 🙄
Oh I forgot to add. They have a pet so they ran pet mode while we were parked and in the casino.
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California the ev capital of the world doesn’t have a plethora of chargers along the 5 and side roads?
Ev or gas you have to plan your trip. Between phoenix and Las Vegas there are last chance gas stations. One has to look at their gas gauges. (And also have see Evs along that route. More “power” to them.)
If you include Tesla SC, there are lots.
If you don't have access to Tesla SC, then it's very sparse.
Before Tesla opened up access to Ford, Rivian, and now GM - the options were very scarce - most of the few that were available were cut in half because some were not working.
Tesla has a very proactive approach instead of reacting to down chargers.
Glad my Ford can charge at Tesla - opens up more options for road trips out of state.
Yea, it’s pretty sad actually that a lot of non-Tesla chargers are not working and they are in very high demand, esp in the greater LA area…
Hopefully in the next few months with Tesla opening up for everyone, it will get much better
Something needs to change in Europe in regard to the perception of EV’s. New EV’s are losing up to 32% of their value in the first year due to a drop in demand, largely due to people believing every meme they see online lol. A comparable diesel car loses 12% according to Autotrader and their report. It’s good for those wanting to pick up a secondhand EV and make a significant saving but it’s affecting new car sales and these ultimately affect each other. Public perception on the whole appears to be negative and this is pushing auto makers to adjust manufacturing strategies to reduce EV production and increase ICE vehicle production.
I’ve spent the weekend in the company of people who ‘would never have an EV’ because the ‘batteries are so expensive’ and look what ‘happened at Luton Airport’ (which was caused by a diesel). It seems to be rinse and repeat trying to defend it.
I’ve spent the weekend in the company of people who ‘would never have an EV’ because the ‘batteries are so expensive’ and look what ‘happened at Luton Airport’ (which was caused by a diesel). It seems to be rinse and repeat trying to defend it.
The anti EV stories are heavily pushed. It’s obvious who benefits from promoting this kind of garbage.
Sadly in this polarised world there will continue to be haters that push this rubbish and gullible people who will believe it.
Except, for the time being, refueling gasoline takes 8m with no other downtime for that trip. The other two stops were thirty wasted minutes. And those thirty minutes isn’t including the wasted time off the freeway to actually drive to those supercharging stations.
Yes, an example that otherwise proves the rule.