I guess the definition of roadtrip is fluid. But in my tm3 if charged appropriately before hand, my bladder would give out before the battery.
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I’m compromised by the fact I don’t live in Europe and can only read about it.
Obviously there’s a fair sized EV population across the planet who are satisfied and who do not count some things as disadvantages as other drivers do.
Lol. I bet it does. I see a similar reaction from people when I say I don’t base any decision on being green.
no, CA is NOT the “Mecca” of charging stations, aside from Tesla, in SoCal they are still sparse, out of order and heavily utilized.
And I continue to bring up Monterey, 1 DCFC and 1 SuC in that area don’t cut it
No need to bicker over the word Mecca because the facts are that California has led the United States in the number of electric vehicles (EVs) and EV charging locations every year since 2016.
A reasonable person would take the statement of track ready to mean that those brakes can do a track session. Going to complete crap after one lap on Throttle House track which is not the 'Ring is not them being track ready and can't be relied upon taking to the track. I posted Misha's laps to mostly illustrate the cooling issue the car has. Throttle House for the brakes.
They still might not be the best brakes in the world for tracking and aftermarket parts may be better, but they are at least capable of doing track duty. And again the M3P's OEM brakes CANNOT.
No where am I saying the M3P is capable of a Porsche. You're jumping to that conclusion or said heavy competitive track duty. But I would not classify the Model 3 Performance as a vehicle that I can do grocery runs during the week and a track session on the weekend.
And I am sorry you have an issue with credible youtubers like Engineering Explained. Not like I used the youtube car idiots like stradman or streetspeed717. I used credible people to illustrate my point.
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When one uses that term it is inferred to be “good” … just because the qty is higher doesn’t say anything about the quality, which is not there and I speak out of experience.
Yes, CA has been and will continue to lead, but a charger from eg 2016 is just not state of the art anymore…charging infrastructure needs significant improvements in CA.
Where I live in the country it’s around a 15 minute round trip to fill a car. Plus of course around £70.
In contrast today I drove to work, plugged in my car (not a rapid charger as that would not be required at a destination charger) and went to work. When I left the office my car was 100% charged. Total cost to me was nothing.
So tell me again about the hassles of EV ownership @GrayFlannel ? Seems a lot less hassle than filling up to me.
In contrast today I drove to work, plugged in my car (not a rapid charger as that would not be required at a destination charger) and went to work. When I left the office my car was 100% charged. Total cost to me was nothing.
So tell me again about the hassles of EV ownership @GrayFlannel ? Seems a lot less hassle than filling up to me.
Here is an example of a competent EV that can do groceries during the week and a track session on the weekend.
I think we agree but will rephrase: since California is, has been, and will continue to be the leading state in EVs and recharging stations and if recharging is currently a chore then heaven help the EV market in other states. It shows we have ways to go.
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Bear in mind I’m also of the mind that those disadvantages will shrink over the next decade or two.
For some users, such as yourself, those disadvantages have already disappeared and the switch has been seamless for their lifestyle. That’s encouraging.
I guess there are many definitions of “reasonable person “. Because the TM3p is not a hardcore track car. It sure can be taken to the track and flogged but I never thought it could compete with ceramic brakes, for example. The one place “track ready” is mentioned it is mentioned with an asterisk next to it. That signifies some qualification. And it’s too bad the website is incomplete in that regard.
Yes light track duty - not hardcore track duty. The brakes probably are more track ready than the last model.
Yes, that’s what you are implying: “competitive track duty”.
I agree. Other than straight line drags for $55k you get a capable fast car. If you want a car you can flog in the track this isn’t it. Spend another $55k and get a good track car. What’s wacky is the 2024 tm3p cost slightly more than my long range.
nothing to be sorry about.
One thing about YouTube, everybody is right. Anyway, I saw that video where the m3 brakes got hot and goes back to my comment that that’s clickbait. The 2024 tm3p is not a hardcore track car.
Answered in the thread. You use the word disadvantages, but honestly I don't have any. You don't really understand that EV drivers rarely charge on the road. So your statements are not correct. No disadvantage to charging whist sat in an office or asleep at home. Literally zero.
But I'm not going to convince you otherwise. You think the technology isn't for you and isn't there yet (although I will concede this varies depending on where you live. In the US you seem a little behind where we are in Europe. But my experience at least is when I do need to use a charger on the road (occasionally), there are plenty to use and apps to help you plan your route.
I will never buy another ICE vehicle. Also I'm not that much younger than you. I love new technology. Especially when it's more fun to drive, better for the planet and cheaper to run.
Where have I claimed or have I stated Tesla says it is a hardcore dedicated track car? Tesla just states the brakes are track ready which means I am taking it as it is capable of doing track days not full on competitive racing events.
Where have I ever mentioned ceramic brakes? All the cars I mentioned( Mustang GT, Camaro SS, Type R, Golf R) don't have ceramic brakes and certainly have better brakes than the M3P.
What is light track duty? Go out for one lap and then go home? Cause that is all the M3P is capable of with its brakes. Throttle House stated how they do the hot lap times. It couldn't even do 1 lap before the brakes completely went to mush. Sorry you think it is clickbait after Tesla's claim of the brakes being track ready and it the brakes were shot after 1 lap.
When I say go out on a track day, I am talking about what I imagine what you think is light track duty.
That is a track day. That is what I have been talking about the whole freaking time. I have never used the word competitive track duty. I have zero clue why you think that is what I was getting at. I was not talking about competitive track duty.
Yes, I understand you my friend.
I acknowledge that for some users, such as yourself, the disadvantages have already disappeared and the switch is seamless. However, others need more time to pass before it catches up. The world is a big place with different lifestyles and circumstances.
In the spirit of things the range is impressive with 200 miles. Give up one thing for another.
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It is what it is. There clearly are different levels of going around a track. All the criticism makes no difference. People will think what they think anyway.
With a BBK aftermarket kit it now stops, as it should have done. But ahem, it still overheats.
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Interesting development out of the EU today on EVs. While avoiding its politics I wonder how it will impact the EV market and damage the climate change movement.
Bad for the consumer, however the EU is mostly interested in avoiding unfair competition and their arguments seems to be that China is enabling its local producers to export their products below cost price and that is not right.
Tesla has some factory capabilities within the EU allowed territories already, as does Geely. I suspect they will onshore more, which will be good for employment as well. It might be harder for smaller and non-traditional global car producers like Honqi or Xiaomi. This previously came in at the end of June but was reversed; back then the likes of Polestar did indicate they'd keep the prices as is. The devil is in the detail, I'd like this to be targetted to those only who receive Chinese government subsidies to sell units, not necessarily to all who produce there.
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Thank you for the comment. Tesla escaped fairly unscathed despite their subsidies which is the principal rationale behind the move as I understand it. Nonetheless climate control is apparently taking a back seat during this global transition.
Sure, but the EU is mainly concerned with what affects the EU. Tesla has a Gigafactory within the EU territory and most others come from China actually.
I'm not sure the climate is taking a backseat, this is about unfair competition. Overhere, inside the EU, there are still subsidies for both new and second hand cars, but at the consumer end and not the production end. Although I'd argue that the subsidies are at too low of a level as to me, no interesting cars fit within it. Saying that I'm tomorrow going to the launch of a Renault 5 (and the 4 is coming soon as well), for the shorter journeys these could be fun. But I wouldn't want to drive to the Côte d'Azure in one of those.
I don't know the full background, but doesn't the Gigafactory in Germany give Tesla the in? At least for the vehicles produced in that factory?
With forcing the production of vehicles within the EU, they at least have some control over vehicles produced there, if they are produced in China, there is no control of the factories carbon footprint over there.
Just spit balling, I don't know much about this.