??? All primary controls are the same in the cars. I never understood this part when people say. It is like when they say I don't know how to use this remote control, duh the symbols are exactly the same as on your other control. Same with cars; pedal box is in the same layout, as are the stalks and what they do. As is a gear level. And so on. I constantly switch between RHD and LHD, still the same.
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Well there weren't color screen with multi window user interfaces in those day
And with the Saab if you don't like it, just switch it off
You had the choice, amazing concept that isn't it.Apart from the interiors surely?
They have very down market interiors especially in the back.
And have you seen what the Chinese car makers have been doing in the last 5 years?
They have left everyone behind including Mercedes.
2 years ago I thought they might take a decade or so to get there but no, they are very definitely in advance of everyone now.
Have you seen the one that can jump potholes? Of the one with emergency float mode that can travel at 3Kmh in water for half an hour? Or the one that can slide into a parking space sideways?
Nio ET9 has astonishing suspension. Just a gadget perhaps but when the large screen is playing a move in 3D, it can be linked to the suspension so it moves with it like a fairground ride. Great for video games.
The ceramic paint is polished for 60 hours
They have made astonishing progress!!
Hang on I'll find some links:
This one has a terrible voice so turn it down but check out the suspension
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The Chinese auto manufacturers are doing some great things. They definitely are pushing the envelope. I think they will force the non-Chinese to innovate to keep up.
To just add some context to the Light/Dark mode built into the vehicles UI. Here are the settings in my TMY. There is Auto for light vs dark modes and auto for brightness. There also is “Reduce Blue Light” which much like a tablet/cell phone reduces Blue light in the dark.
This is Light mode:
This is Dark mode:
To just add some context to the Light/Dark mode built into the vehicles UI. Here are the settings in my TMY. There is Auto for light vs dark modes and auto for brightness. There also is “Reduce Blue Light” which much like a tablet/cell phone reduces Blue light in the dark.
This is Light mode:
This is Dark mode:
I would like to see some real world proof that a Tesla inherently is not safer because of the screen than a car with many buttons.
In other words Tesla crashes are due to screen interference vs other vehicles where the cause isn’t driver distraction.
I don’t think any inference of the sort can be made. Anyone who has driven a Tesla after the initial setup, other than the entertainment system, doesn’t need to use the screen. And yes, the audio setup can be improved, but I don’t interact with it while driving.
I want a car that will last for 10 years, have a good warranty and good service network. That eliminates Chinese made evs immediately.
That's cool, I've driven a Model 3 and a Y myself and think they are good. We seem to have a bit more choice with EV's in Europe so all preferences seem to be covered.
To be fair, it eliminates Chinese made EVs for us because we don't have them here, and there is no service network, even if they were to start coming. I have no idea of how long they will last. I assume in countries where they are available there are warranties and service networks, but I have no idea.
As a car guy, I try not to knock any vehicles because of who made them, or where they are/aren't available. I would like to see this thread get back to that, to help people make honest decisions on their EV choices.
*I think you are in the NY area like me
I’m not knocking the cars as such I’m knocking the practicalities of owning such a vehicle in the US. All of this interesting engineering does nothing if they are proof of concept vehicles or don’t perform as expected in the real world or dont have longevity or don’t hold up in a crash etc.
And yes, I live in the great garden state and grew up near the old westbury music fair.
Sorry, didn't mean to specifically say you were knocking them. The first and third paragraphs were for you. The middle was just what I have noticed in this thread lately.
There are a lot of new things coming out, like insanely rapid fast charging. I do question battery longevity, but hopefully they worked that all out.
I guess I can spell it out.
If I have not memorized where everything is...I have to look for it. No better or worse for buttons, knobs or touchscreens. Or remotes.
I actually would argue that toucscreen is better, because I can change the layout somewhat to be optimal for me. Good luck moving buttons.
And no, stalks are not all the same, at least not the secondary functions, like wiper and cruise control. Not even getting into secondary stalks...
LOL Yes we all know what light, dark, auto mode is
A concept that has been in existence for many years across many devices and in many cars. It really isn't some miracle invested by Tesla 🤷♂️🙈Depends on where you live in the world I guess
We have plenty of choice, and warranty and service networks. Volvo and Polestar share the dealer network overhere. Lotus uses guess what, the Lotus networks. Zeekr also pretty good.BYD with no previous affiliation to traditional brands is also doing pretty good when it comes to the UK...
Heck, even Chinese made Tesla's are supported
Other brands like Hongki, Xiaomi, you name it generally have one or two per country with a mobile force. Once also got to remember that servicing is different on these kind of cars. Not quite the same approach is necessary.Wipers are, (some RHD market origins have them on the other side), but come on cruise control isn't a primary car function.
I think turn signals and high beams (flashers?) are the only ones that tend to be the same (and on the same side). Pretty much every other function can be different. I always find myself having to look at the wiper settings when I hop between our Subaru/Volt/2500 because they are different. Lights are different between the 3 (though we tend to just leave them On/Auto for the Subbie and Volt). Cruise is on the steering wheel for all 3 IIRC. Shifter isn't the same (and I HATE having to remember to turn the cars off when I get out).
LOL Yes we all know what light, dark, auto mode is
I'm not sure why everything has to be anti-Tesla. No one including the original poster claimed that Tesla invented dark mode... The poster indicated they liked the feature.
Because the internet is polarising!
I’d never choose a Tesla personally. But if they work for others, that’s fine as well.
We all like different things in cars. Otherwise we would all be driving the same one!
My favorite is how the car puts itself in park when you unbuckle your seatbelt and open the drivers door. That coupled with "turning off" automatically is a nice time saver.
This is correct. My BWM/Audi/MB had headlights on the dash, my Ram/Jeep had it on the stalk. Wipers on my BMW/Audi/MB were a separate stalk that you moved up and down, Ram/Jeep where a twist of the indicator stalk. These are core functions that often differ based on where the auto manufacture is from. Like you said, High beams tend to be the same. Hazards are in all different places. Shoot, even shifters now are in different places, you can have column shifters, dash dials, console dials, console shifters.
Don't get me started on window switches, I constantly forgot where they were on my BWM/MB since they were in the center, while all the rest were on the doors.
Everything is all over the place, basically every car you get in, you have to spend some time learning where features are.
It is nice. I will add that some ICE manufactures have added auto park features to combat rolling off. For example, my Ram got a dealer installed recall that would put it in park if you unbuckled and opened the door. It would VIOLENTLY slam into park. I think this was in response to the Star Trec actor getting rolled over, pinned, and killed by his jeep in his driveway.
I do love not having to start my vehicles, just get in and get out.
It is not diming, I dim my 2020 Outback every morning on my way to work. It has a big vertical 12" screen along with the instrument cluster. The instrument cluster is more of an offender to me then the screen as the cluster is right in front of me and dimming adjusted the gages, it does not adjust the brightness of some of the little icons like the high beam icon. The simplicity of the Tesla is there is nothing in front of me.Blimey, if you are impressed by a screen that dims than you truly haven't experience many decent cars...I can't remember a car that didn't do that. My Saab did that beautifully back in 1996
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Teslas have a world wide network. But I suppose if Chinese makes and models consolidate on the dealer network with other brands and the service is good and the cars are good and the tires don’t just fall off, it’s all good.Depends on where you live in the world I guess
BYD with no previous affiliation to traditional brands is also doing pretty good when it comes to the UK...
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Heck, even Chinese made Tesla's are supported
Here it's kind of funny that the company that in the 60s decided to place a bet on an unknown Eastern company (perhaps you have heard of them, Toyota) now is the representative for also BYD.
They do have a nice network but they aren't known for great pricing.
They do have a nice network but they aren't known for great pricing.
They don't
. China has been in a lot of 3rd world nations developing infrastructure. They have been bringing their ICE vehicles (and now EVs) to these nations. They do have a wide range of quality, much like Indian manufacturers. If you want cheap, with risk if wheels falling off, you have an option. If you want RR level of quality, you have an option too. A lot of these 3rd world nations have less strict regulations on vehicles, since they don't have vehicles traveling at 80mph+.Polestar is owned by Volvo, which is owned by a Chinese company. So, they get the benefit of an existing dealer network, even here in the US. So, technically Polestar is one of these Chinese makes!