Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[44267547]

It’s variable.

This is a really good link that I was reading on user specifics on TMC:

Premature tire wear from regen braking system

After driving the Model 3 AWD for 13 months and having to replace the original set of tires (18" Michelin MXM4) at 17,000, I have come to a conclusion that the main culprit is the standard regenerative braking system. Thus, I am going to switch to the low regen mode and see a difference in tire...

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[44267547]

Well….I done did it.

Saying goodbye to the ‘Pitch black clearcoat’ 18’ Scat Pack (Sold it more than I paid for it with 18,000 miles, so there’s that.)

I found a 2022 Model S outside Detroit that I’m going to pick up in the next two weeks from the dealer. With all the uncertainty of pre-ordering new EV’s with how unstable the entire economy/manufacturing levels are, I would rather just buy something that’s available now and be done with it. (I also have zero patience.) I am a bit anxious, because this does have the yoke steering wheel, but I’ve heard that you quickly adjust, and there’s even some tutorial videos on techniques for gripping/handling.

This would be my first EV vehicle, and the F-150 Lightning wouldn’t happen until late 2023/2024 as our second EV.

Pics to follow…

Yeah buddy!

Delivery Day this Wednesday.

Perfect weather is scheduled with a high of 28° and calling for 3 to 5 inches of snow.

 

[diamond.g]

Delivery Day this Wednesday.

Perfect weather is scheduled with a high of 28° and calling for 3 to 5 inches of snow.

Make sure they precondition it before you leave (if it is sitting outside you'll want it to be going for a while) otherwise a lot of range would be lost to cold soak.

 

[44267547]

Make sure they precondition it before you leave (if it is sitting outside you'll want it to be going for a while) otherwise a lot of range would be lost to cold soak.

Thanks. I’ll make sure to do that. And it will be sitting outside under a car port.

My big concern is, is that I live on a dead-end street, and I requested the vehicle be delivered to my driveway, but I fear that the driver will park the delivery truck/trailer at the end of the street (Because he would have to Drive in reverse approximately a quarter mile), unload and drive the car through the salt/brine that’s on the road to get to my driveway. I want to install vehicle protection on the paint before it’s driven on salted roadways, and I tried calling, and…… the driver doesn’t speak any English. So that’s a problem.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Thanks. I’ll make sure to do that. And it will be sitting outside under a car port.

My big concern is, is that I live on a dead-end street, and I requested the vehicle be delivered to my driveway, but I fear that the driver will park the delivery truck/trailer at the end of the street (Because he would have to Drive in reverse approximately a quarter mile), unload and drive the car through the salt/brine that’s on the road to get to my driveway. I want to install vehicle protection on the paint before it’s driven on salted roadways, and I tried calling, and…… the driver doesn’t speak any English. So that’s a problem.

Would the car not be covered in salt from the journey anyway? I only say this because in Europe these trailers are usually open and new cars typically have just some plastic covering them. I don’t know how this is done in America. A car covered in salt would be a problem if you intend to ceramic seal it prior to driving I agree.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Would the car not be covered in salt from the journey anyway? I only say this because in Europe these trailers are usually open and new cars typically have just some plastic covering them. I don’t know how this is done in America. A car covered in salt would be a problem if you intend to ceramic seal it prior to driving I agree.

Generally the plastic is only on some parts of the car. Not completely shrouded in it. Well from the ones I’ve seen.

 

[uller6]

Has anyone preordered an Aptera? https://aptera.us. I think it looks amazing, and if the promise of 40 miles/day solar charging is true then I would literally never need to charge this car! I also LOVE the futuristic design - almost all cars on the road today are ugly in my opinion. However, my wife thinks the Aptera looks completely impractical and ridiculous, and she says she wouldn't be caught dead even riding in one!

 

[Apple fanboy]

Has anyone preordered an Aptera? https://aptera.us. I think it looks amazing, and if the promise of 40 miles/day solar charging is true then I would literally never need to charge this car! I also LOVE the futuristic design - almost all cars on the road today are ugly in my opinion. However, my wife thinks the Aptera looks completely impractical and ridiculous, and she says she wouldn't be caught dead even riding in one!

You’d need to live in a sunny country to order one. It looks futuristic but I think it’s a bit out there.

 

[Mega ST]

It's a very good concept to be able to get an emptied battery car mobile again by sunlight.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Generally the plastic is only on some parts of the car. Not completely shrouded in it. Well from the ones I’ve seen.

Yeah same here, I didn’t explain that but very well. It’s usually white or blue shrink wrap style cover the front panels on the transporters I have seen.

 

[bushman4]

What battery liability issue? I've got an 8 yo Tesla (with older type batteries) that takes twice as long to charge than the current models. When traveling using superchargers I see newer cars come and go while I continue to charge, but am happy considering I'm charging for free.

‘Charging for free’ will soon end
Don’t be fooled by the perk EV owners are currently enjoying
I’ve already seen paid charging

 

[Apple fanboy]

‘Charging for free’ will soon end
Don’t be fooled by the perk EV owners are currently enjoying
I’ve already seen paid charging

We’ve had paid chargers here for years. Different charging companies have different systems. It’s a bit of a mess in the U.K. to be honest.

 

[AlaskaMoose]

We’ve had paid chargers here for years. Different charging companies have different systems. It’s a bit of a mess in the U.K. to be honest.

Do you pay "fuel taxes" in the UK, as we do in the US? The reason why I ask is because at the moment the fuel tax paid by fuel distributors and drivers at the gas stations do not affect EV charging at home, for example. But as the great sums of money collected by the States and local governments disappear, I am certain that the politicians will shift the taxes to recuperate the loss of revenue to the consumers.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Do you pay "fuel taxes" in the UK, as we do in the US? The reason why I ask is because at the moment the fuel tax paid by fuel distributors and drivers at the gas stations do not affect EV charging at home, for example. But as the great sums of money collected by the States and local governments disappear, I am certain that the politicians will shift the taxes due to the lost of revenue to the automobile owners.

We pay
20% value added tax on everything we buy.
About 50% fuel tax on petrol and diesel.
Road tax to use the roads (currently free for most EV’s).
Plus insurance of course.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We pay
20% value added tax on everything we buy.
About 50% fuel tax on petrol and diesel.
Road tax to use the roads (currently free for most EV’s).
Plus insurance of course.

According to recent figures we pay 67% tax on every litre of fuel. The forecourt make around 30p per litre and the government, transport companies and the refineries get the rest.

 

[AlaskaMoose]

According to recent figures we pay 67% tax on every litre of fuel. The forecourt make around 30p per litre and the government, transport companies and the refineries get the rest.

That's quite a high price to pay for fuel, which I assume is also imposed to a lesser degree on fuels such as natural gas, propane, and such. In the US aviation fuels (jet fuels) are taxed as well, and even heating fuels.

I imagine that if there is a fuel revenue loss at the gasoline and diesel market as people switch from ICE to EV, the politicians will figure a way to switch from the automobile "fuel tax" to something else... other than losing revenue

 

[Apple fanboy]

That's quite a high price to pay for fuel, which I assume is also imposed to a lesser degree on fuels such as natural gas, propane, and such. In the US aviation fuels (jet fuels) are taxed as well, and even heating fuels.

I imagine that if there is a fuel revenue loss at the gasoline and diesel market as people switch from ICE to EV, the politicians will figure a way to switch from the automobile "fuel tax" to something else... other than losing revenue

Indeed they will. There is already a luxury EV road Tax for EV's in excess of £40K

 

[quagmire]

‘Charging for free’ will soon end
Don’t be fooled by the perk EV owners are currently enjoying
I’ve already seen paid charging

He is talking about supercharging.

First few years of Model S production, owners got lifetime free supercharging. Forgot when Tesla stopped offering that as a perk for new cars. So just as long as they hold onto that Model S, their charging will be free.

 

[44267547]

‘Charging for free’ will soon end

So? Compared to insane (And continual rising costs) with fuel prices at $4.91 PG, I’d rather pay for the far lesser of a cost with EV charging.

 

[Strelok]

‘Charging for free’ will soon end
Don’t be fooled by the perk EV owners are currently enjoying
I’ve already seen paid charging

That’s not new, there have been paid chargers for a long time. There are a ton of free ones though. Some of them are “free” with restrictions since they belong to apartment complexes or hotels. Either way, my power is a lot cheaper than gas and gas is unlikely to ever get to back to a price that would make it cheaper than charging an EV.

 

[Tagbert]

It's a very good concept to be able to get an emptied battery car mobile again by sunlight.

The concept is cool, but physics has some unfortunate limits. It’s hard to get enough power out of solar cells the size of a car to charge most cars for any distance. When you add in the extra cost of the panels and the extra weight that can reduce your range, it’s hard to see the numbers working out. If someone could invent a solar cell that was orders of magnitude more efficient than current tech, those number might start telling a different story.

 

[Mega ST]

I agree. However the difference is you might get an empty car moving again without outside help (after waiting some long time). So maybe you get at least enough solar power to move it to some proper charger. Otherwise your car is just a brick.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I agree. However the difference is you might get an empty car moving again without outside help (after waiting some long time). So maybe you get enough power to move it to some charger. Otherwise your car is just a brick.

But in most cases you have to be a bit of a tool to let your EV get to zero. Happens a lot lot less than people assume.

 

[Mega ST]

I don't own a EV and won't soon. But I go to places where there is no charger and nobody else. If a car has this solar capability I think this is quite helpful. I liked the BMW EV with some small auxiliary power engine as Plan B. But they abandoned it for legal reasons as the car was not granted full EV privileges having a secondary fuel burning engine.

 

[Fallinangel]

I thought batteries liked to be hot from what I remember from physics.

I think the ideal temperature is within the range of 15 to 35°C, so neither extremely hot nor cold, just like us humans.