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It would be great if more people here entered into these conversations understanding that most of Apple’s base use their stuff and are loyal to it because *they like it*. All this nonsense about brainwashing and status symbols yada yada.

I buy what I like and judging by your posts you do to.

No idea what drives them.
But most of them have iPhones, anyway....They could be just talking about themselves.
 
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lavrishevo

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Would it not be nice to use an app to text, share videos, pics, audio messages, video calls, audio calls, etc, no matter what phone you have? It's why WhatsApp is so popular. Pick whatever device you like and it works as intended.
 
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Txguy82

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Sorry to hear your camera is giving you problems right out of the gate.

Hell no!!! The camera is awesome.

Spen is sweet but that is all I'm digging so far on the Note. Lot of **** to do on it but I don't care for all the useless features when it comes to customization. Battery life is good but not great.
 

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Hell no!!! The camera is awesome.

Spen is sweet but that is all I'm digging so far on the Note. Lot of **** to do on it but I don't care for all the useless features when it comes to customization. Battery life is good but not great.
He was making a joke because you said the camera was “sick” lol
 
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lavrishevo

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With battery life a good trick with android is to manually restrict background task. Ios is better at this via the OS. Greenify is probably the most popular app. Facebook for instance is a notorious offender for running background processes to collect your info constantly.

Also, another nice little trick is to enable developer options and turn off reduce animation times. Makes the phone feel even snappier.
 

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Never tempted by any Note phones ever, especially now where their prices are beyond ridiculous.

Design & build: sure, Samsung has good design, but it’s not like they don’t have competition. Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo/Vivo, etc they all have great design and build nowadays, and considering they are charging a lot less, it makes no sense to intentionally spend almost double or more just for a Samsung.

Spec: you can spend $1k on an android phone, in the end it’s still an Android phone. A $200 Android phone can run the same apps as the Note 9. Flagship spec at premium prices? OnePlus and later, Poco F1 will beg to differ.

Support: when a $200 Android One phone getting more up to date patches and updates than a $1k flagship, you know the premium is not worth it.

The only remaining selling point of Samsung for me is their IP68 rating, but even then, their Galaxy A8 has it, which cost about half of the Note9.
 

Shanghaichica

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I think my Note 9 boat has sailed as I already missed my preorder chance to purchase it for £639.
I could have got the base model for £270 if I’d traded in my iPhone X. The trade in offers were good this year.
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Never tempted by any Note phones ever, especially now where their prices are beyond ridiculous.

Design & build: sure, Samsung has good design, but it’s not like they don’t have competition. Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo/Vivo, etc they all have great design and build nowadays, and considering they are charging a lot less, it makes no sense to intentionally spend almost double or more just for a Samsung.

Spec: you can spend $1k on an android phone, in the end it’s still an Android phone. A $200 Android phone can run the same apps as the Note 9. Flagship spec at premium prices? OnePlus and later, Poco F1 will beg to differ.

Support: when a $200 Android One phone getting more up to date patches and updates than a $1k flagship, you know the premium is not worth it.

The only remaining selling point of Samsung for me is their IP68 rating, but even then, their Galaxy A8 has it, which cost about half of the Note9.
You can make a similar argument about iPhones. You can get the same software experience if you get an SE or a 6S/6S plus. These are significantly cheaper than the X. Why do people buy the X? Maybe because they want the latest and greatest hardware. Superior hardware.

Do your budget android phones have stereo speakers with Dolby Atmos? Is the display anywhere near as good as the one on the note 9? Can your budget android phone be used with the gear VR? Can your budget android phone support DeX? Can your budget phone run Fortnite? Does your budget phone have a camera as good as the one in the note 9? Does it have an integrated stylus?

These are just some of the things that make the note 9 cost more than your budget android phone.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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It would be great if more people here entered into these conversations understanding that most of Apple’s base use their stuff and are loyal to it because *they like it*. All this nonsense about brainwashing and status symbols yada yada.

There's a difference between preferring something vs tirelessly defending it at all costs.

If iPhone/iOS fans were as hard on Apple as Android fans are hard on Android manufacturers, then Apple would be much further along hardware and software wise.
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Never tempted by any Note phones ever, especially now where their prices are beyond ridiculous.

Design & build: sure, Samsung has good design, but it’s not like they don’t have competition. Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo/Vivo, etc they all have great design and build nowadays, and considering they are charging a lot less, it makes no sense to intentionally spend almost double or more just for a Samsung.

Spec: you can spend $1k on an android phone, in the end it’s still an Android phone. A $200 Android phone can run the same apps as the Note 9. Flagship spec at premium prices? OnePlus and later, Poco F1 will beg to differ.

Support: when a $200 Android One phone getting more up to date patches and updates than a $1k flagship, you know the premium is not worth it.

The only remaining selling point of Samsung for me is their IP68 rating, but even then, their Galaxy A8 has it, which cost about half of the Note9.

When it comes to Android phones, Samsung flagships are the complete package.

Other manufacturers don't have a App and theme store comparable to Samsung's. Nor all the settings and tweaks that are that refined.

And besides Google itself. Samsung has the best manufacturer ecosystem on Android.

All the small things like multitasking and other specific settings is better implemented on Samsung phones.

I see people complain about the curves edge online. I heard nobody in real life complain about it.

I also see people complain about Samsung apps, which some complaints are more than valid. But have you looked at other manufacturers? Their apps are extremely garbage for the most part. At least Samsung does have some great apps along with the trashy ones.

I can go on and on.

When I do run into an Android phone that's on par with a Samsung flagship, it's always missing something. Like either a micro sd slot, headphone jack, lacks bands for my carrier, low res display, and etc. It almost like I can't win. And now manufacturers are notch crazy, which is something I will not accept on Android as long as I have a choice.

Also, most of these budget and mid priced phone suck 10 times worst at getting updates. The security patches might come in faster, but that's where it ends.
 

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If iPhone/iOS fans were as hard on Apple as Android fans are hard on Android manufacturers, then Apple would be much further along hardware and software wise.

Maybe Android users find more dissatisfaction with their devices than Apple users do, thus the need to be "hard" on them. (I'm not sure how you've come up with this measurement, anyway. Last time I checked, Android OEM's still don't give a crap about a legit software update schedule for their devices despite all the huffing and puffing from the Android community, and even Google giving them tools to do so.)

I love comments like "Apple is behind on software and hardware", this is why in 2018 literally every Android review still has a big focus on performance.
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I buy what I like and judging by your posts you do to.

No idea what drives them.
But most of them have iPhones, anyway....They could be just talking about themselves.

Their arguments always seem to be "How come Apple users don't hate Apple stuff as much as I do??"
 
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jamezr

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There's a difference between preferring something vs tirelessly defending it at all costs.

If iPhone/iOS fans were as hard on Apple as Android fans are hard on Android manufacturers, then Apple would be much further along hardware and software wise.
But they won't they will accept what ever is handed to them by Apple and hail it as the best ever.
While denigrating everything the competition produces.

Its not being dissatisfied with Android phone makers as much and being evenly critical of both platforms.

There are no perfect phones! They all have room for improvement.

I love my iPhones....i have bought everyone since the first one. The iPhone X is my daily driver for the last 2 months. There is a iPhone Xs (or what ever they will call it) with my name on it and I will pre order it next month!
But that doesn't mean I don't think Apple could do better with their design and functionality choices. That includes both software and hardware.
I think Android phone makers could do better as well. Plenty have heard me level critique after critique at Samsung and Google, LG, OnePlus and so forth.
I have also been pretty vocally critical of Apple.

People can be critical of their company of choice......it doesn't make that company bad or inferior. They all have room for improvement.

But too many are afraid to be as critical of Apple as they are other companies because they identify so much with the their status symbol that they take it like a personal insult.
 

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But they won't they will accept what ever is handed to them by Apple and hail it as the best ever.

But too many are afraid to be as critical of Apple as they are other companies because they identify so much with the their status symbol that they take it like a personal insult.

None of this is really a thing for anyone. Broad generalizations as to why people use technology are a non-starter.

Also: you're posting on a forum in which there are entire threads containing pages and pages of Apple users *complaining* about their Apple stuff and requesting different features.
 
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Also: you're posting on a forum in which there are entire threads containing pages and pages of Apple users *complaining* about their Apple stuff and requesting different features.

But look at the thread responses compared to the alternatives section. Don't act like you don't see the difference. ;)
 
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jamezr

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None of this is really a thing for anyone. Broad generalizations as to why people use technology are a non-starter.

Also: you're posting on a forum in which there are entire threads containing pages and pages of Apple users *complaining* about their Apple stuff and requesting different features.
but you posted broad generalizations......
Maybe Android users find more dissatisfaction with their devices than Apple users do, thus the need to be "hard" on them.

Then there are some that do not participate in the Android threads at all until a new Android phone is released (Note 9 is the latest example) then they come here to post say something negative so they can feel good about their choices (iPhone). They are pretty easy to spot and so glaringly obvious. They don't offer anything by way of feature comparisons. They just knock the latest Android offering and promote whatever Apple has done as better.......
 
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but you posted broad generalizations......

You’d think the word “maybe” in my statement would have given you pause.

Then there are some that do not participate in the Android threads at all until a new Android phone is released (Note 9 is the latest example) then they come here to post say something negative so they can feel good about their choices (iPhone). They are pretty easy to spot and so glaringly obvious. They don't offer anything by way of feature comparisons. They just knock the latest Android offering and promote whatever Apple has done as better.......

...okay.

Yeah, “feature comparisons”. You mean “I use this thing on my phone but not that thing, thus your phone is lesser than mine.”
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But look at the thread responses compared to the alternatives section. Don't act like you don't see the difference. ;)

No, I don’t. I see just as many Android enthusiasts here who bring up Apple whenever someone mentions some displeasure with Android.

Sorry, I know the idea is to “prove” one user base is smarter/better than the other, but the evidence provided is always anecdotal and soaked in bias. The most honest anyone can be is to say people use technology for different reasons and leave it at that.

But hey, if Note users want to feel better about the grand they spend vs the grand Apple users spend on an iPhone, mazel tov.
 
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jamezr

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You’d think the word “maybe” in my statement would have given you pause.



...okay.

Yeah, “feature comparisons”. You mean “I use this thing on my phone but not that thing, thus your phone is lesser than mine.”.
lol...the word "maybe" does not exclude it from being a broad generalization......

The bolded proves my points to a tee......some can hold feature comparisons that don't have to be a put down to one phone or another. They are just feature comparisons....

Here is one from me.....
I love how easy the iPhone X feels in my hand. The rounded edges make it easy to hold. I wish my Note 9 had a more rounded edge to it as well. But it is still a awesome phone!

here is another....

I wish the Apple logo on the back of my iPhone X doubled as a FPS. They I would have the option to still use TouchID.
The Note 9 FPS needs to be round and I little indented imho..

See I can point out things about each phone's features without putting them down in a negative fashion.
 
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Shanghaichica

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Maybe Android users find more dissatisfaction with their devices than Apple users do, thus the need to be "hard" on them. (I'm not sure how you've come up with this measurement, anyway. Last time I checked, Android OEM's still don't give a crap about a legit software update schedule for their devices despite all the huffing and puffing from the Android community, and even Google giving them tools to do so.)

I love comments like "Apple is behind on software and hardware", this is why in 2018 literally every Android review still has a big focus on performance.
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Their arguments always seem to be "How come Apple users don't hate Apple stuff as much as I do??"
I wouldn’t say they find more dissatisfaction. There is simply more choice on android. If you don’t like one phone you can go and buy a myriad of other devices.

With iPhones only Apple make them so you ‘put up’ and ‘shut up’ more.
 
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lol...the word "maybe" does not exclude it from being a broad generalization......

The bolded proves my points to a tee......some can hold feature comparisons that don't have to be a put down to one phone or another. They are just feature comparisons....

Here is one from me.....
I love how easy the iPhone X feels in my hand. The rounded edges make it easy to hold. I wish my Note 9 had a more rounded edge to it as well. But it is still a awesome phone!

here is another....

I wish the Apple logo on the back of my iPhone X doubled as a FPS. They I would have the option to still use TouchID.
The Note 9 FPS needs to be round and I little indented imho..

See I can point out things about each phone's features without putting them down in a negative fashion.

And? I never suggested people can’t make feature comparisons without it being about trashing something else. That’s your argument as it pertains to Apple users.
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I wouldn’t say they find more dissatisfaction. There is simply more choice on android. If you don’t like one phone you can go and buy a myriad of other devices.

With iPhones only Apple make them so you ‘put up’ and ‘shut up’ more.

But that’s still a choice users make. When they choose one over the other, they’re using the phone that they need.
 

jamezr

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And? I never suggested people can’t make feature comparisons without it being about trashing something else. That’s your argument as it pertains to Apple users.
That was weak..... now you're going to run away from it. Thats ok...it's obvious to everyone reading this......
Your status symbol will still be a great phone even if you say it could use improvements.
 

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That was weak..... now you're going to run away from it. Thats ok...it's obvious to everyone reading this......
Your status symbol will still be a great phone even if you say it could use improvements.

I love my iPhone X, and I personally don't consider it a status symbol, but when you see cases that are made specifically with holes in the back just so that the Apple logo will show, you have to really wonder. I've not seen a case for the note / galaxy / pixel that has a hole like that so you can see theirs...

All of that said, I just ordered an Ocean Blue Note 9 (128). Should be here Tuesday, and I'm looking forward to putting it through it's paces. Full disclosure, I have *maybe* 8 non-Apple apps on my X, so I think the Note will be absolute overkill, but I'm intrigued by it nonetheless.

Which leads me to believe I'll have to pick up the Icon X to replace my Airpods.. Decisions..
 

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All of that said, I just ordered an Ocean Blue Note 9 (128). Should be here Tuesday, and I'm looking forward to putting it through it's paces. Full disclosure, I have *maybe* 8 non-Apple apps on my X, so I think the Note will be absolute overkill, but I'm intrigued by it nonetheless.
Hope you enjoy it! I think I had 13 non-Apple apps on my X and the same apps on this Note 9. Four of those are streaming video apps and the rest are utility/productivity apps. It still comes in handy for those apps though for the large screen, splitscreen multitasking and what not.
Which leads me to believe I'll have to pick up the Icon X to replace my Airpods.. Decisions..
Look into the Jabra Elite 65t. I had a pair that I recently gave to a friend who needed some headphones and they are killer. AirPods were great with Android phones as well.
 
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That was weak..... now you're going to run away from it. Thats ok...it's obvious to everyone reading this......
Your status symbol will still be a great phone even if you say it could use improvements.

No idea what I'm running from. I'd refrain from speaking for "everyone" as to what's obvious since your argument isn't even clear.

Try again

PS Ive been having this exchange on both my Pixel 2 XL and Note 9. Feel free to keep patting yourself on the back for outing an "Apple fanboy".
 
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I love my iPhone X, and I personally don't consider it a status symbol, but when you see cases that are made specifically with holes in the back just so that the Apple logo will show, you have to really wonder. I've not seen a case for the note / galaxy / pixel that has a hole like that so you can see theirs...

All of that said, I just ordered an Ocean Blue Note 9 (128). Should be here Tuesday, and I'm looking forward to putting it through it's paces. Full disclosure, I have *maybe* 8 non-Apple apps on my X, so I think the Note will be absolute overkill, but I'm intrigued by it nonetheless.

Which leads me to believe I'll have to pick up the Icon X to replace my Airpods.. Decisions..
Then those people will put their phone face down so you can see the Apple logo through the case.

I would be very interested to read your thoughts on the Note 9 :) Sounds like you at least have an open mind.
You might like it...then you might hate or not like it enough to replace you iphone.

Gotta stick with what works best in your use cases :)
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No idea what I'm running from. I'd refrain from speaking for "everyone" as to what's obvious since your argument isn't even clear.

Try again

PS Ive been having this exchange on both my Pixel 2 XL and Note 9. Feel free to keep patting yourself on the back for outing an "Apple fanboy".
No one has to out you as anything. Your posts and reputation here speaks for itself.....
 

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Feeling very tempted to pick up the N9. Had the N8 last year and its a very good phone. I was very happy with it but having been on android for some 4 years I fancied going back to Apple. Since picking up a iPhone X in December I’ve become heavily invested to the Apple ecosystem (ATV, watch, iPad and MacBook Pro) and it’s that that is holding me back from picking up a N9.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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Feeling very tempted to pick up the N9. Had the N8 last year and its a very good phone. I was very happy with it but having been on android for some 4 years I fancied going back to Apple. Since picking up a iPhone X in December I’ve become heavily invested to the Apple ecosystem (ATV, watch, iPad and MacBook Pro) and it’s that that is holding me back from picking up a N9.

Would have still been an easy fit if it wasn't for the AW.
 
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