Who is tempted to buy a Note 9 today?

[fr4c]

And you're accepting of Apple doing this? Do you let any other company influence your purchase in this manner? I've said this many times before, the second worst thing to happen in the tech industry is a closed ecosystem. The first worst thing being, the people who buy into them. Willfully allowing these companies to control everything. They don't even realize how they are only hurting themselves when it comes to choice. You sit there and wait for options that you would want (ex. bigger OLED displays), and only when the company that controls your purchase is ready to offer it, will you get it. It's actuality quite sad. I have to ask, is there any other company you allow to do this to you?

I was somewhat in agreement with you until I realized you were complaining about Apple and the SMS/MMS standard.

Also it amazes me to this day how people on both sides of the camp still try to dictate how someone should spend their money and what device to choose. Samsung vs Apple, Android vs iOS, at the end of the day you're investing into that ecosystem based on what you prefer and works for you. If people like to keep iMessage and have their bubbles be blue, so what? Doe is really bother you that much when people choose based on what's important to them?

 

[Fried_Gold]

Not owned a Note since the Note 3, absolutely loving my Note 9.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

And you're accepting of Apple doing this? Do you let any other company influence your purchase in this manner? I've said this many times before, the second worst thing to happen in the tech industry is a closed ecosystem. The first worst thing being, the people who buy into them. Willfully allowing these companies to control everything. They don't even realize how they are only hurting themselves when it comes to choice. You sit there and wait for options that you would want (ex. bigger OLED displays), and only when the company that controls your purchase is ready to offer it, will you get it. It's actuality quite sad. I have to ask, is there any other company you allow to do this to you?

I don’t know a single person who has been forced against their will to buy into Apples ecosystem. You make it sound like iPhone users need pity when the reality is it’s more than likely a controlled and measured choice. Apple offers a very good experience and products that have wide appeal. Android is an excellent alternative and makes sure we the consumers have a choice to do the standard smartphone demands.

 

[tonybarnaby]

I’d already have gotten the N9 was it not for TMobile’s greedy JOD downpayment requirement now.

Maybe I’ll still get it, strange from Sammy albeit when it’s discounted a bit, esp the 512/8GB version.

Not defending Tmobile, but how are they being greedy here?

 

[widgeteer]

I don’t know a single person who has been forced against their will to buy into Apples ecosystem. You make it sound like iPhone users need pity when the reality is it’s more than likely a controlled and measured choice. Apple offers a very good experience and products that have wide appeal. Android is an excellent alternative and makes sure we the consumers have a choice to do the standard smartphone demands.

I just don't understand why this concept is met with such resistance. There's so much parity between the two OS's, so much they both get right and get wrong.

 

[csurfr]

Apple has zero control over carrier SMS texting standards.

You're correct about SMS standard and Apple having no control over it. However, iMessage is not sent as an SMS. Though, I could be wrong in reading your post thinking you're saying that it is. If so, I apologize.

 

[tonybarnaby]

I just don't understand why this concept is met with such resistance. There's so much parity between the two OS's, so much they both get right and get wrong.

•Ford vs Chevy
•PC vs Console
•IPhone vs Android
•Democrat vs Republican

Plus countless other examples. People get really invested in their choices and a lot of people take it personally. If you talk badly about iPhones it’s almost like a personal insult to some people. At this point in time if you’re not even open to android I feel like you’re missing out. A phone like the oneplus 6 is $5XX and would be perfect to all but the most picky users. The screen isn’t top of the line, and the camera is lagging behind Samsung, Apple and especially google. But for $5XX, I’m sure a lot of android haters would be pleasantly surprised. If you’re all in on Apple and it’s products then it’s a non starter.

 

[Dominican]

i was at target playing around with it and love it............ Samsung trade in for iPhone is 300 how low is Samsung even x

 

[Applemaniac7]

Wait until the new iPhones come out (especially the plus edition) and you see how bad the new A12 chip smokes the Note 9.

You are comparing. Ferrari to a lambo, ones gonna sneak the race by fractions.. so what, both blinding fast...

 

[Cryates]

You are comparing. Ferrari to a lambo, ones gonna sneak the race by fractions.. so what, both blinding fast...

This is what the benchmark nerds fail to recognize.

 

[DiamonDecoden]

A little tempted but not tempted enough to get rid of my Note 8. What I am curious is if the Apple Pencil will be working with the new iPhones. I am kinda mad that they didn't do this from the start because I had the both the Pencil and the phone but I switched to Note 8 mostly for the S-pen (also no notch). Also you would think Apple would have this option because they are about "ecosystem"- of having all their devices "talk" to each other because they are Apple.

Yes, I think you're correct, iMessage is a big part too. I don't think many people in the USA uses Whatsapp as much as everywhere else. In the USA, a LOT of people use iMessage and I have friends and family who is more comfortable using 1 app rather than another one.

 

[Cryates]

In the USA, a LOT of people use iMessage and I have friends and family who is more comfortable using 1 app rather than another one.

Correct. That's what is infuritating to me about iMessage though. You have this service that is really really great, and that a lot of people love, but it's locked into one ecosystem. Is there a reason that Apple cannot bring it to Android, or do they just want to keep it closed as a means of keeping users? They have to know how much of an advantage it is. Maybe they are worried about security. I don't know the ins and outs of that, but it's infuritating regardless.

 

[widgeteer]

•Ford vs Chevy
•PC vs Console
•IPhone vs Android
•Democrat vs Republican

Plus countless other examples. People get really invested in their choices and a lot of people take it personally. If you talk badly about iPhones it’s almost like a personal insult to some people. At this point in time if you’re not even open to android I feel like you’re missing out. A phone like the oneplus 6 is $5XX and would be perfect to all but the most picky users. The screen isn’t top of the line, and the camera is lagging behind Samsung, Apple and especially google. But for $5XX, I’m sure a lot of android haters would be pleasantly surprised. If you’re all in on Apple and it’s products then it’s a non starter.

Or they're on Sprint and Verizon in the States.

As for your final sentence: again, it seems like it's just impossible for some to understand that people use *what works for them*. Too many of you judge these things by your usage and how often you swap out phones. Most folks do not live and die by these devices. They use them, they don't obsess over them.

 

[DiamonDecoden]

Correct. That's what is infuritating to me about iMessage though. You have this service that is really really great, and that a lot of people love, but it's locked into one ecosystem. Is there a reason that Apple cannot bring it to Android, or do they just want to keep it closed as a means of keeping users? They have to know how much of an advantage it is. Maybe they are worried about security. I don't know the ins and outs of that, but it's infuritating regardless.

It will require not just Apple or Google / Android to work together but also the people who regulate these text communications to update the sms technology. I think it is a bigger issue than that but it does work to keep people on iOS more. It is actually on Google for them to work with all the Android manufacturer to narrow down to 1 app. As people get more technologically advanced, I feel that handling more than 1 chat app would not be an issue. Eventually there will be 1 central chat app that will link all chat account like what we have for email.

 

[Cryates]

It will require not just Apple or Google / Android to work toget

Well we can just stop here then haba

but also the people who regulate these text communications to update the sms technology.

But iMessage is not SMS. It's just another chat service that bypasses SMS.

 

[widgeteer]

Correct. That's what is infuritating to me about iMessage though. You have this service that is really really great, and that a lot of people love, but it's locked into one ecosystem. Is there a reason that Apple cannot bring it to Android, or do they just want to keep it closed as a means of keeping users? They have to know how much of an advantage it is. Maybe they are worried about security. I don't know the ins and outs of that, but it's infuritating regardless.

Why should Apple make their proprietary service available to other platforms? If they wanted to monetize it to offset data costs, that's one thing. But they don't owe it to non-iPhone users to access what is supposed to be a standout feature on the iPhone (let's not get into iMessage pro or con, suffice it to say it's a popular feature among those that use iOS).

 

[Cryates]

Why should Apple make their proprietary service available to other platforms? If they wanted to monetize it to offset data costs, that's one thing. But they don't owe it to non-iPhone users to access what is supposed to be a standout feature on the iPhone (let's not get into iMessage pro or con, suffice it to say it's a popular feature among those that use iOS).

Quit twisting words. I didn't say they owed non-iPhone users anything. That doesn't mean it's not frustrating though. Hangouts is cross-platform, Facebook Messenger is cross-platform, WhatsApp is cross-platform. The most used chat/text service in the States is iMessage and as a person who lives in the States, its frustrating that it's held under lock and key. But I get it from a pure business perspective. I never faulted Apple for it, but if that's how you interpreted it, then that's on you.

 

[widgeteer]

Quit twisting words. I didn't say they owed non-iPhone users anything. That doesn't mean it's not frustrating though. Hangouts is cross-platform, Facebook Messenger is cross-platform, WhatsApp is cross-platform. The most used chat/text service in the States is iMessage and as a person who lives in the States, its frustrating that it's held under lock and key. But I get it from a pure business perspective. I never faulted Apple for it, but if that's how you interpreted it, then that's on you.

Yes, that's how I interpreted it.

Those other services aren't the same as iMessage, at least not in the reason for existing. Those services exist to generate users. iMessage exists as an easy and intuitive means for iPhone users to send messages to each other without having to rely on SMS.

 

[StaceyMJ86]

Yes, that's how I interpreted it.

Those other services aren't the same as iMessage, at least not in the reason for existing. Those services exist to generate users. iMessage exists as an easy and intuitive means for iPhone users to send messages to each other without having to rely on SMS.

I pray that iMessage never come to Android. They already have Apple Music, so let us keep iMessage.

 

[Cryates]

^ but using an iPhone has no correlation to social status...

 

[widgeteer]

^ but using an iPhone has no correlation to social status...

Oh, so we've moved on from price to bubble color as "proof" of status symbol, eh?

Lemme guess: in a few days it's gonna be "Well, the notch is totally meant to be a status symbol!"

 

[pixel_junkie]

I’d already have gotten the N9 was it not for TMobile’s greedy JOD downpayment requirement now.

Maybe I’ll still get it, strange from Sammy albeit when it’s discounted a bit, esp the 512/8GB version.

The down payment on the 512/8GB is $500 ))

On another note, one of my clients told me that using anything other than an iPhone, makes me look like a poor person Who can put up with this type of pressure

 

[Cryates]

Oh, so we've moved on from price to bubble color as "proof" of status symbol, eh?

"They already have Apple Music, so let us keep iMessage." You really can't see the entitlement in that? Why would a person not be supportive of a better way to communicate with everyone, iOS user or not?

 

[DiamonDecoden]

Well we can just stop here then haba

But iMessage is not SMS. It's just another chat service that bypasses SMS.

If it it's not SMS, then you cannot send SMS messages to other phones... So, no, it is more like a hybrid.
Like Messenger which can do both SMS and chats that is sent VOIP.

 

[tonybarnaby]

The down payment on the 512/8GB is $500 ))

On another note, one of my clients told me that using anything other than an iPhone, makes me look like a poor person Who can put up with this type of pressure

What point does a down payment serve to the phone retailer? They’re still gonna get the same $1000-$1200, so why demand $500 down? My only guess is to lower the monthly payment, but if someone wants to make payments on the phone sometimes that $500 down May be more than they can spend at once