Who is tempted to buy a Note 9 today?

[widgeteer]

"They already have Apple Music, so let us keep iMessage." You really can't see the entitlement in that? Why would a person not be supportive of a better way to communicate with everyone, iOS user or not?

I see entitlement in that user's sentiment, but anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

And I don't think iOS users have an issue communicating with everyone. That's why iMessage is popular. You receive all messages - texts and iMessages. That's really all there is to the special sauce. Most users (in the states) use whatever texting app comes with the phone. In the case of iPhones, the native texting app also offers iMessages. It's a pretty seamless experience.

What *I* want is for Google to push through RCS, and the carriers to jump on board. Apple will have no choice but to allow their texting app to play nice with RCS. Once that happens, the preference for iMessage will decrease greatly.

 

[slitherjef]

I'm tossing around the idea of picking up the exynos version from Amazon just so I have an unlocked and device I can root. Probably won't work too good on att though. Or Sprint

 

[pixel_junkie]

What point does a down payment serve to the phone retailer? They’re still gonna get the same $1000-$1200, so why demand $500 down? My only guess is to lower the monthly payment, but if someone wants to make payments on the phone sometimes that $500 down May be more than they can spend at once

in a "jump on demand" scenario, you'd think twice before jumping to it or away from it. On the regular 128 version, I can grab it for $80

 

[M5RahuL]

Not defending Tmobile, but how are they being greedy here?

By requesting a down payment.. And is not because of credit or payment history ( both of which are stellar ) ... They never required this for any device but that appears to have changed for JOD customers now..

One of the reps said it's so that they can keep the device payments under $40 lol.. BS ..

 

[M5RahuL]

The down payment on the 512/8GB is $500 ))

On another note, one of my clients told me that using anything other than an iPhone, makes me look like a poor person Who can put up with this type of pressure

I believe it's $279 for me.. But anyway, it's silly esp for customers who have been with them a while and have excellent credit..

Doesn't surprise me that people ( usually the ones with low self esteem and/or ignorance ) still relate iPhone users as being wealthy.. I've run into those at work, among other places, and the look on their face when they later see I carry both ( iphone x and Note8/s9+ ) is priceless!

 

[jamezr]

By requesting a down payment.. And is not because of credit or payment history ( both of which are stellar ) ... They never required this for any device but that appears to have changed for JOD customers now..

One of the reps said it's so that they can keep the device payments under $40 lol.. BS ..

Agree 100%...they making JOD harder and harder to use. JOD people are not going to keep their phones...they will jump several times a year. The big down payment is to stop people from using JOD and eventually kill it off.

I left T-Mobile because of this. Jumped to AT&T....

 

[Applemaniac7]

It will require not just Apple or Google / Android to work together but also the people who regulate these text communications to update the sms technology. I think it is a bigger issue than that but it does work to keep people on iOS more. It is actually on Google for them to work with all the Android manufacturer to narrow down to 1 app. As people get more technologically advanced, I feel that handling more than 1 chat app would not be an issue. Eventually there will be 1 central chat app that will link all chat account like what we have for email.

You mean like whatsapp... cross platform, free!! The end.

 

[Cryates]

I see entitlement in that user's sentiment, but anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

Fair enough, I think we'll just have to disagree on this one.

And I don't think iOS users have an issue communicating with everyone. That's why iMessage is popular. You receive all messages - texts and iMessages. That's really all there is to the special sauce. Most users (in the states) use whatever texting app comes with the phone. In the case of iPhones, the native texting app also offers iMessages. It's a pretty seamless experience.

I didn't mean to imply they have any issues per se, but there are struggles when it comes to sharing media across MMS. I witnessed my own mother tell her BF that his videos suck when he sends them to her and that he needs to get an iPhone. Again, it's not Apple or iOS users who are at fault for that. It's just a current limitation out of their control. We all know a universal platform like iMessage would be beneficial for everyone. It's been discussed ten times over.

What *I* want is for Google to push through RCS, and the carriers to jump on board. Apple will have no choice but to allow their texting app to play nice with RCS. Once that happens, the preference for iMessage will decrease greatly.

Agreed with this 100%.

 

[csurfr]

By requesting a down payment.. And is not because of credit or payment history ( both of which are stellar ) ... They never required this for any device but that appears to have changed for JOD customers now..

One of the reps said it's so that they can keep the device payments under $40 lol.. BS ..

They started this with the iPhone X, so it's been around for a year now. Unless you have been a customer for (I believe) 10+ years you are required a down payment on a device that is $9xx+

 

[M5RahuL]

They started this with the iPhone X, so it's been around for a year now. Unless you have been a customer for (I believe) 10+ years you are required a down payment on a device that is $9xx+

No..I got the iPhone X with zero down, and I've been with them for about 5 years now.

 

[csurfr]

No..I got the iPhone X with zero down, and I've been with them for about 5 years now.

Consider yourself lucky. When I spoke with a rep (when pre-ordering my X) about it they specifically told me you had to be with them for at least 10 years. Some reps were making exceptions, but for the most part that was set in stone. Your credit limit with T-Mobile (which is set when you first sign up, and will never change), nor your payment history makes zero difference.

 

[Txguy82]

Their max allowing customers to put on credit is $720 I believe for any phone. Anything above that will require a down payment regardless of credit.

 

[M5RahuL]

Consider yourself lucky. When I spoke with a rep (when pre-ordering my X) about it they specifically told me you had to be with them for at least 10 years. Some reps were making exceptions, but for the most part that was set in stone. Your credit limit with T-Mobile (which is set when you first sign up, and will never change), nor your payment history makes zero difference.

It was 3 yrs (min) with no missed payments, and good credit rating.
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Their max allowing customers to put on credit is $720 I believe for any phone. Anything above that will require a down payment regardless of credit.

My device credit limit is around $4500.. The store ( corporate, not indirect ) mgr showed it to me on the computer, and I’m nowhere near that!

 

[csurfr]

It was 3 yrs (min) with no missed payments, and good credit rating.
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My device credit limit is around $4500.. The store ( corporate, not indirect ) mgr showed it to me on the computer, and I’m nowhere near that!

It doesn’t matter whether you have 2000 or 10,000. There is a per device limit. Period. If you don’t believe me call them and ask. I had this exact conversation with them when the iPhone X was released. They changed the policy across the board. Either you put money down, or head to a different carrier. Sorry man, that’s the way it is. Too many people took advantage of it and ruined it for everyone else.

 

[M5RahuL]

It doesn’t matter whether you have 2000 or 10,000. There is a per device limit. Period. If you don’t believe me call them and ask. I had this exact conversation with them when the iPhone X was released. They changed the policy across the board. Either you put money down, or head to a different carrier. Sorry man, that’s the way it is. Too many people took advantage of it and ruined it for everyone else.

Just because YOU spoke with someone doesn't necessarily make it right. Policies can be different across markets. It's business and I'd trust a corporate store manager over some screen name over the Internet. Period.

End of discussion. Good God!!

 

[csurfr]

Just because YOU spoke with someone doesn't necessarily make it right. Policies can be different across markets. It's business and I'd trust a corporate store manager over some screen name over the Internet. Period.

End of discussion. Good God!!

You got it bro you’re right and the hundreds of people that were on twitter talking to t-mobile support that were all told the exact same thing are wrong.

In fact there are threads on t-mo support about it going back to 2017.

Edit: and reddit.

It’s not about believing what I say, or me being right or wrong. There are multiple people here telling you that T-mobile’s policy is that you can finance up to xxx per device regardless of your total credit with them. You seem to be the only one that wishes to contradict that.

 

[jamezr]

Their max allowing customers to put on credit is $720 I believe for any phone. Anything above that will require a down payment regardless of credit.

The reason why they throw the $720 number around is they want the payment to be right at $30 at 24 months for a $1000 phone. I say let ME the customer decide what my payment should be. Give me the option of 30 or 36 month plan.
They have tweaked JOD and made it harder to use in an effort to eliminate it down the road. I had a store manager tell me as much once. Their long term plan is to eliminate JOD because it cost them too much money.

JOD was supposed to let you switch to another phone 3 times a year no money down. But most stores never enforced so people were switching every month.

 

[nviz22]

I wouldn't touch a Note 9 at full price, BOGO, or on a payment plan. I tried the S9+ and I had issues with the touchscreen mainly. I don't like the curved displays either. It might be the amongst the most powerful Android devices, but it's the first Samsung device I can truly say I do not want any part of.

Until Samsung can make an Android One version of their phone, I doubt I will go Galaxy anytime soon. I can deal with the gimmicky edges if I can get pure android. It's pure android or iOS for me. Nothing else.

 

[Sevanw]

I wouldn't touch a Note 9 at full price, BOGO, or on a payment plan. I tried the S9+ and I had issues with the touchscreen mainly. I don't like the curved displays either. It might be the amongst the most powerful Android devices, but it's the first Samsung device I can truly say I do not want any part of.

Until Samsung can make an Android One version of their phone, I doubt I will go Galaxy anytime soon. I can deal with the gimmicky edges if I can get pure android. It's pure android or iOS for me. Nothing else.

Pure Android. Lol. OK.

 

[decafjava]

Benchmarks don’t always translate to real world usage. The a11 crushed all android phones on benchmarks this year, but android phones felt just as fast. Use a oneplus 6 and tell me the a11 “smokes” it. Top tier android phones are not the $199 throwaway phones your grandparents are using. Android can compete and even top iOS in many ways. Some people seem hell bent on slandering android. Then on the flip side you have all the android rubes who think anyone who likes Apple is an iSheep. Liking both is a benefit. This isn’t a right vs wrong situation, and both offer pros that the other can’t match.

Ok I'm calling you out for a sensible post, can't have that here.

 

[nviz22]

Pure Android. Lol. OK.

What's wrong with pure android? Get more frequent security patches and feature updates. No bloatware that is partitioned on the internal memory. The Pixel line often touts the best cameras on the market. Two years of guaranteed updates and a clean look is more valuable to some than others.

 

[DiamonDecoden]

You mean like whatsapp... cross platform, free!! The end.

I think Messenger will be more of an alternative for iMessage since it can do both SMS and chat. As far as I know since I last tried WhatsApp, it does not do SMS nor does it integrate it together with chat like iMessage. In the USA, a ton of people still uses SMS all the time. I notice in other regions of the world, everyone likes to replace it with WhatsApp but in the USA, I think more people uses Messenger than WhatsApp since it combines it with call, video call, chat, social gaming, and SMS.
Then in China, most people uses WeChat.

 

[torana355]

Benchmarks don’t always translate to real world usage. The a11 crushed all android phones on benchmarks this year, but android phones felt just as fast. Use a oneplus 6 and tell me the a11 “smokes” it. Top tier android phones are not the $199 throwaway phones your grandparents are using. Android can compete and even top iOS in many ways. Some people seem hell bent on slandering android. Then on the flip side you have all the android rubes who think anyone who likes Apple is an iSheep. Liking both is a benefit. This isn’t a right vs wrong situation, and both offer pros that the other can’t match.

I respect your post. Im an Android user and I prefer it for its strengths just like some people prefer iPhones for their strengths.
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What's wrong with pure android? Get more frequent security patches and feature updates. No bloatware that is partitioned on the internal memory. The Pixel line often touts the best cameras on the market. Two years of guaranteed updates and a clean look is more valuable to some than others.

Nothing wrong with Pure android at all, but some people prefer skinned phones that add more features a bit like a custom ROM. The biggest issue with Pure android atm is the Pixel hardware is not that great.

 

[Sevanw]

What's wrong with pure android? Get more frequent security patches and feature updates. No bloatware that is partitioned on the internal memory. The Pixel line often touts the best cameras on the market. Two years of guaranteed updates and a clean look is more valuable to some than others.

Right. Lol.
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What's wrong with pure android? Get more frequent security patches and feature updates. No bloatware that is partitioned on the internal memory. The Pixel line often touts the best cameras on the market. Two years of guaranteed updates and a clean look is more valuable to some than others.

I'll just leave this here. MKBHD, one of the biggest Android guys it there.

 

[FFR]

Right. Lol.
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I'll just leave this here. MKBHD, one of the biggest Android guys it there.

He wasn’t using a Samsung Galaxy either.

He switched from a pixel to a one plus.

So one plus + iPhone X.