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Why is Big Sur so ugly?
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If users interacted with their macs via taste and smell and not touch and sight, you'd have a point. Otherwise what you just said is a head scratcher. If how people interact with their macs matters the most, and if the method of interaction is the interface, then...um, how again does engaging, understandable, efficient, and intuitive details of the interface not matter?
because:
a: for most people, the interface is not a problem; the GUI is just whatever it is, at any point in apple history.
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b: of course the interaction matters; and again, am willing to bet that most people on big sur are just using it, and not stressing the minute details.
you and i think very differently (which, at least, makes life interesting); i don't get your point about 'taste and smell' at all. we're talking about computers.
Nobody's having a meltdown that I'm seeing. I'm reading about some users like myself complaining that minimalist aspects of Big Sur can get in the way of an engaging, and efficient work-thru, and I'm reading about other users who simply like Big Sur's minimalist interface.
you're right, 'meltdown' is too strong a word. but some ppl here are definitely agitated, and i feel for them, really. but it's just the GUI of an OS in the moment, and it will change, and then, change again...
Heh heh, because in the very same post you say the appearance of the screen/window isn't the defining element, but how people react with their macs is what matters most, as if they are two different things. Yet it's what users see on the screen and then touch/tap that is their very interacting with their macs. Now if see & then touch didn't matter and all we did was smell and taste our macs with our eyes closed, then yes flat design would be fine.
I see, I see. Nobody is having a "meltdown" using Big Sur. Nobody is using an avatar and a signature exposing a clear meltdown behavior...
Big Sur's minimalist interface does not disturb me, does not get in the way of my work as a professional designer, in fact it allows me work faster than before. "It just works."
Big Sur's minimalist interface does not disturb me, does not get in the way of my work as a professional designer, in fact it allows me work faster than before. "It just works."
Happily, things will probably revert back to intuitive interface affordances, closer to Mavericks & iOS6 than Big Sur & iOS7, like things always do cycle. Neumorphism is the first clue that designers are realizing that flat can suck.
I can't get agitated about something like this. I like to banter about it, both with people who agree and disagree with my personal opinion of it, but this has been a leisure activity for me.
What's funny is that the few strong reactions I've noticed have been from the other side, those trying to defend the interface and tell us why we should either learn to love it, shut up, or burn our macs in a bonfire and never buy another one. Admittedly though, I do find those reactions amusing.
What's funny is that the few strong reactions I've noticed have been from the other side, those trying to defend the interface and tell us why we should either learn to love it, shut up, or burn our macs in a bonfire and never buy another one. Admittedly though, I do find those reactions amusing.
My avatar and sig are meant to be true, accurate, clear/obvious, yet fun. Like iOS and OS X used to be. It just works for me.
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Yeah I think anyone who really views your avatar as an indication that your life is falling apart might be taking this forum a little too seriously.
i appreciate your optimism... but doubt that, with tech in general, and computers. we'll see much cyclical behavior. i think things will get simpler, perhaps more abstract; i mean, if you're 25, you've grown up with computers, you didn't have to adapt to them; and over time, no one will remember (or care) about what a filofax was, or a paper notepad.
whatever happens next, i look forward to it; i love change, find it challenging (in the best way), adventurous.
and apple controls all of this; we'll see where the next OS takes us (and how many on this thread show up to 'not meltdown' about it)
Well, here's an honest question then. Looking back up at this post:
Why is Big Sur so ugly?
Just a few months back macOS had actually some color and buttons. Honestly, this is how the progress looks like? That pic from Big Sur looks like an inactive window. And those arrows on media, view and insert buttons are actually giving you a hint that you can do more with that button. I like...
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What is it about the top representation that would make you work slower than "before," represented by the bottom representation?
How does the bottom representation allow you to work faster?
I'm not trying to sneakily get you to paint yourself in a corner. But I can read for days complaints by users like me who find minimalist/monochromatic/flat interfaces to slow down our workflows, and I'm trying to understand how colorful/non-flat/button-using interfaces are "bad" or slows down workflows for others.
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ha, am glad you're not referring to me. personally, i don't think anyone should 'love it, shut up, or burn' your mac. and you might want to look thru the over-1000 (!) posts on this thread; lots of posts from ppl who are pretty agitated, angry, worked up.. whatever term best sums that up.
Notably, I can answer the question in reverse. The colorful icons in the top screenshot make it easier to find the button I'm looking for. Yes, it only saves me a fraction of a second, but it's something I have to do many times, and more importantly, every nanosecond I spend hunting for buttons takes me more out of the flow of what I'm actually working on.
and that's of course just you, speaking for you. not everyone sees things the same. plus... people are highly adaptable; consider all the changes we've gone thru with os x to the present.
the fun part is... just when we're all used to the big sur GUI, the next mac os will happen, and... we'll adapt again. we're pretty good at that
If someone switched out all the furniture in my apartment, I think I'd be pretty upset!
Not everyone in that situation would be upset. Some people just buy whatever furniture is cheapest and don't care how it looks; others would be tired of their current furniture anyway and ready for something new. Still others might just think the new furniture is a definitive improvement. But I think a lot of people would be pretty angry!
I spend more waking hours staring at my computer than I do any piece of furniture in my apartment.
being new to macs, i don't know how new os's are done? so with big sur, if they choose to, they could what, either do an update to the big sur os that would change it's looks, or, come out with a new os like "little sur" that would replace the big sur os? and, on average, how many new os's have come out that a person can install on their current computer? let's say a person bought a mac in 2011 with the lion os, and he still has that computer now, how many newer os versions could he install on that 2011 mac? could he install the latest, big sur? hope that makes sense? another question, since the M1 is out, and if a person had the M1 with big sur, and if he wanted to, could he revert back to previous mac os's, and if so, how far back could he go?
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are we talking about the mac os, or apartment furniture? seems hard to confuse the two. and i can't imagine anyone not being upset if the furniture was switched out in their apartment.
i too, spend more time looking at my mac than my furniture. the OS, app interfaces... change periodically; for that matter, so do features, functionality.
i don't like all of it, but i adapt, or customize what i can; not an easy thing to do with macs (am shaking my fist at the air). but this is apple, and we go with it, or whine a lot (a popular pastime on the forum), or find some often-incredibly involved way to make changes (while we wait for 'iconchamp'!). and we can always just get on with it, and go back to our real work.
Oh I wish it would change. I mean, they keep saying words like all-new, completely new, redefined, bold new design, etc.. when it's just a small tweak here and there and it's a facelift at best. Apple didn't use so many strong words even during the Steve Jobs era where they innovated like crazy with basically every product every year.
We are talking about the aesthetic appearance of objects in my home which I use every day. Why is one less important than the other?
To be perfectly frank, I don't appreciate the "we".
When I said above that I found colorful icons easier to differentiate, you responded: "and that's of course just you, speaking for you." That's true. But I'd turn that around—you can adapt and go back to your real work, and you should, and I'm genuinely happy for you! Unfortunately, I don't adapt quite that easily. I can get better with practice, relatively, but I'm still more productive with certain types of interfaces than others.
I used Windows exclusively for years and years. Then one day, more than a decade ago, I had the opportunity to use Snow Leopard for a few hours. It was revelatory! I was faster than I had ever been on Windows, even though my normal PC had better hardware, and even though I had never used OS X before! It wasn't a matter of adapting, it was just better for me!
Will complaining in this thread do anything? I don't know, does complaining about Daylights Savings Time, or the new Wonder Woman, do anything? Apple does make changes based on public sentiment—look at the escape key, or the rumored Macbook Pro with full-sized USB ports—but IMO that's beside the point. Lots of forum discussions—lots of discussions in general—aren't intended to bring about a specific action.
I realize that none of this is important to you. Again, that's fine! But please, don't tell me I shouldn't care about the things I care about. I'm sure you don't like it on other sites when people jump into Mac discussions to proclaim that real professionals use Windows, as people unfortunately do.
If there are concrete reasons you prefer Big Sur, I'd love to read those, because I genuinely enjoy reading UI design discussions.
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of course it's important to me, or i wouldn't
big sur may be a challenge for you, visually; i get that. but it wasn't designed for you, or for me for that matter; the GUI is for everyone, and that naturally means... some will like it, some with loathe it.
i mean 'we' as in macusers in general, i certainly can't speak for every individual, am making a generalized statement.
and again, either way, ppl get on with it; i doubt anyone has stopped emailing because of a dislike of an icon, or menubar spacing.
i don't 'prefer' big sur, i just use it (well, i do like that it is modern, streamlined). i use it because i like staying current with apple's OSes, in which case, this is the one choice there is.
Okay, and some people like the way Harry Potter ended, and some people loath it, and it's still worth discussing. If I said I didn't like the end of Harry Potter because of X, Y, and Z, you wouldn't tell me it's because the ending "wasn't written for me, it was written for everyone," would you?
Why is the UI better "for everyone"? How are single color icons more accessible than multi-color icons?
That goes for all of us by the way, including me—we should all try our best to enumerate what we like and don't like about an interface, or we'll only ever go around in circles. It's hard! I work in a company of mostly professional graphic designers, and even we sometimes struggle to define what is or is not working in a design. But we do our best, because it's the only way to get anywhere.
Why is the UI better "for everyone"? How are single color icons more accessible than multi-color icons?
That goes for all of us by the way, including me—we should all try our best to enumerate what we like and don't like about an interface, or we'll only ever go around in circles. It's hard! I work in a company of mostly professional graphic designers, and even we sometimes struggle to define what is or is not working in a design. But we do our best, because it's the only way to get anywhere.
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Okay, well, replace with your favorite book/movie/song/performance.