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I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Maybe you should read what I said. It wasn't up for discussion. Everyone I know uses LINE. they have all sorts of devices. LINE is universal to all, no matter which phone you have.

It doesn't matter what features LINE has. It matters that everyone is on it. Every student, mother, teacher, everyone. Even the school director. Everyone. So even if i had an iphone, i wouldn't use iMessage. I had an iphone and i only used it with my mom.

Especially since iOS is so limiting. If I'm chatting with someone in LINE and they sent me a picture and I want to send it to you, on my Android I would just hit the SHARE button and send it to any app I want, but on the iPhone if I'm chatting with you on iMessage and someone else in LINE then I would have to save those pictures then open iMessage then search for you then browse the picture and attach it. It is retarded. That's one of the reasons I love Android. I get things done much faster.

So for iPhone especially its better to just stay on LINE instead of using iMessage and then jump back and forth between chat apps. It is easier to keep everyone in one place.

If you use it and everyone you know uses it then congratulations to you.

The point is, you go where your friends are. If everyone you know left Facebook and went somewhere else you would just follow them. You wouldn't stay on Facebook and talk to yourself.

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My iPhone 4s (belongs to my wife now) has a loose power button on top. Since I took it out of the box. I never thought of it as an issue though.

My iPhone 4's home button died after about 8 months. I got the 4s after that. The iPhone 4 was the worst phone ever released by apple.

Just flat out disagree on the iPhone 4.
 

rui no onna

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Oct 25, 2013
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Uhhh. When you open hangouts for the first time it asks you. DO YOU WANT HANGOUTS TO BE THE DEFAULT SMS APP. Then you click TURN ON SMS.

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Then it even tells you where to go to change it.
That's technical for you?
That's if users even download or open Hangouts to begin with. :rolleyes:
 

Toltepeceno

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We would probably use facetime and imessage more, but the wife and I are the only people on both of our friends list that have iphones. The rest are android. I have facetimed the wife 2-3 times just messing around
 

chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
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That's if users even download or open Hangouts to begin with. :rolleyes:

It's already in the phone. You don't have to use it at all.

As I said, people use LINE here.

Also, the SMS settings are in the App itself. You don't have to he technical. In hangouts you go to settings, and you'll see SMS. As simple as that.

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We would probably use facetime and imessage more, but the wife and I are the only people on both of our friends list that have iphones. The rest are android. I have facetimed the wife 2-3 times just messing around

I never used facetime once in 3 years of having an iPhone.

I used Tango, now LINE. Facebook Messenger works also, and everyone is on Facebook.

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Just flat out disagree on the iPhone 4.

The iPhone 4 was a disaster. Actually and for apple's PR after the antennagate fiasco.

I uses to drop the signal in my living room all the time and have to readjust my hands. Very annoying. And everyone I know with an iPhone 4 ended up with a non functioning home button. It was horrible.

The 4s fixed everything.
 

sunking101

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Sep 19, 2013
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Just flat out disagree on the iPhone 4.

We agree at last ;-)
The iPhone 4 is still my favourite phone to date. I loved my time with that device (and thankfully I got rid of it before iOS7 ruined it).

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It's already in the phone. You don't have to use it at all.

As I said, people use LINE here.

Also, the SMS settings are in the App itself. You don't have to he technical. In hangouts you go to settings, and you'll see SMS. As simple as that.

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I never used facetime once in 3 years of having an iPhone.

I used Tango, now LINE. Facebook Messenger works also, and everyone is on Facebook.

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The iPhone 4 was a disaster. Actually and for apple's PR after the antennagate fiasco.

I uses to drop the signal in my living room all the time and have to readjust my hands. Very annoying. And everyone I know with an iPhone 4 ended up with a non functioning home button. It was horrible.

The 4s fixed everything.

Hmm. I get a much worse signal with my i5 than I ever did with the i4. Same network, same locations.
As for the home button, it was the same assembly on the 4S...
 

chupachup

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Sep 1, 2013
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We agree at last ;-)
The iPhone 4 is still my favourite phone to date. I loved my time with that device (and thankfully I got rid of it before iOS7 ruined it).

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Hmm. I get a much worse signal with my i5 than I ever did with the i4. Same network, same locations.
As for the home button, it was the same assembly on the 4S...

No it wasn't. The 4s had a totally redesigned button housing.

The iPhone 4 home button is attached to the flex cable with adhesive., the 4S has a metal circle that makes contact with another contactand it is adhered to the back of the front glass rather than on the actual button/flex cable which is adhered to the midplate.

They were redesigned for a reason.


This is the teardown of the iPhone 4. Notice the button taken out to the side. Glued...

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This is the iPhone 4s. Look at it still on the front panel assembly. Not Glue.

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As for the antennas, I'm not talking about getting a signal, I'm talking about holding the phone and my hand killing the signal.

Not only were they forced to admit the antennagate in front of the world and give people free cases, but they went on a hiring spree of antenna engineers and totally redesigned the antenna.

The antenna on the 4s changed so much that they had to move the volume buttons and vibrate switch. I didn't have any issues with the antenna in the 4s. But in the iPhone 4 the antenna issue was terrible.

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sunking101

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No it wasn't. The 4s had a totally redesigned button housing.

The iPhone 4 home button is attached to the flex cable with adhesive., the 4S has a metal circle that makes contact with another contactand it is adhered to the back of the front glass rather than on the actual button/flex cable which is adhered to the midplate.

They were redesigned for a reason.


This is the teardown of the iPhone 4. Notice the button taken out to the side. Glued...

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This is the iPhone 4s. Look at it still on the front panel assembly. Not Glue.

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As for the antennas, I'm not talking about getting a signal, I'm talking about holding the phone and my hand killing the signal.

Not only were they forced to admit the antennagate in front of the world and give people free cases, but they went on a hiring spree of antenna engineers and totally redesigned the antenna.

The antenna on the 4s changed so much that they had to move the volume buttons and vibrate switch. I didn't have any issues with the antenna in the 4s. But in the iPhone 4 the antenna issue was terrible.

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Surely the actual home button switch is the same, the button on the i4 won't have failed purely because the plastic part was glued on?

As for the antennagate thing, it was a problem when naked for sure, but I used a leather flip case and had zero issues. So to me, it wasn't a problem at all and I would have used the leather flip case regardless.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
We agree at last ;-)
The iPhone 4 is still my favourite phone to date. I loved my time with that device (and thankfully I got rid of it before iOS7 ruined it).

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Hmm. I get a much worse signal with my i5 than I ever did with the i4. Same network, same locations.
As for the home button, it was the same assembly on the 4S...

The 5S is better in every way than the i4. Calling from the same location to my 5S, the 5S to 5S sounds crystal clear the i4....not so much.
 

sunking101

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The 5S is better in every way than the i4. Calling from the same location to my 5S, the 5S sounds crystal clear the i4....not so much.

I can't compare call quality, but signal strength was way better on my i4.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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I can't compare call quality, but signal strength was way better on my i4.

Call quality is indicative of signal strength in some fashion. It is possible the measurement of the signal strength varies among the hardware. It's really irrelevant as to the signal strength if the call quality is good and the speedtest shows a good ping and fast throughput.
 

KeegM480

macrumors 6502a
Aug 13, 2013
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Nashville, TN
I feel like Samsung has the worst operating system of the phones.

HTC really has a crappy camera

Moto X is ok but not the best screen and processor combo

Why would you buy a Window's phone?

iPhone works great with my iPad, Mac, Apple TV, and car

(I have owned a Galaxy S3, HTC One M7, Moto X, iPhone 3GS, 4, 4S, 5, and currently use a 5S
 

Tthomas612

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Aug 24, 2013
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(Seems like you are for the iPhone?)

The iPhone 5s has never lagged out on me--ever. The OS and hardware are designed so close together that the phone is more resource efficient and can get away with technically worse specs.

Definitely for the iPhone. Personally I find Android to be a very choppy OS even Kit Kat. Sure the S5 might technically have better specs, but sit the S5 and 5s next to each other and the 5s runs better and looks better.
 

CrAkD

macrumors 68040
Feb 15, 2010
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Boston, MA
about a zillion reasons. But Literally everyone I know with big android phones replace them weekly. those screens are so fragile. I know iphones can get a cracked screen as well but ive dropped all my iphones numerous times and have never had one crack.
 

chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
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Surely the actual home button switch is the same, the button on the i4 won't have failed purely because the plastic part was glued on?

As for the antennagate thing, it was a problem when naked for sure, but I used a leather flip case and had zero issues. So to me, it wasn't a problem at all and I would have used the leather flip case regardless.

Maybe the button wasn't the issue. It was probably the way it was designed to be in the phone which is why they changed it.

My point was that they changed it. And they did. They changed many things on the iPhone 4. I wished I had never bought that phone.

It was Apple's biggest public embarrassment. Followed by Maps.
 

chupachup

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Sep 1, 2013
487
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Are you living on mars and theres somekind of parallel reality?

Jobs having to stand in front of the world and admit they sold a phone that cuts calls off wasn't embarrassing? Maps? No? People got fired for that one.

I'm sure this was the highlight of his career

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The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,319
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Wales, United Kingdom
For me I would pick an iPhone over a Galaxy S5 because the vast majority of people I know, both friends and family use iPhones. In my line of work the iPhone is the most popular too. I use iMessage everyday and photostream with friends and family for picture sharing.

I spent years on Android trying to convince my friends it was better while being put off by the cost of the iPhone. Now I've made the switch it would take a lot to convince me to dump it. Next upgrade there is only one consideration for me :)
 

beosound3200

macrumors 6502a
Nov 23, 2010
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Jobs having to stand in front of the world and admit they sold a phone that cuts calls off wasn't embarrassing? Maps? No? People got fired for that one.

I'm sure this was the highlight of his career

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You mean the same presentation he offered data about similar drop call rates between 4 and 3gs rendering the whole issue overblown?

Antennagate was pure bs imo, maps on the other hand...
 

chupachup

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Sep 1, 2013
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You mean the same presentation he offered data about similar drop call rates between 4 and 3gs rendering the whole issue overblown?

Antennagate was pure bs imo, maps on the other hand...

That was a lot of boloney. I have never owned a phone where covering one area totally killed the phone.

That was just pure apple BS.

They also tried to say all other phones suffered from the same issue. Haha. It was comical. That after trying to blame it on the users that were holding it wrong.

Like I said. Apple's lowest moment.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
That was a lot of boloney. I have never owned a phone where covering one area totally killed the phone.

That was just pure apple BS.

They also tried to say all other phones suffered from the same issue. Haha. It was comical. That after trying to blame it on the users that were holding it wrong.

Like I said. Apple's lowest moment.

With three iPhone 4(s), now two, running IOS 7.1.2 we are very happy with them. I frankly don't care about the story behind them what apple said what apple didn't say, we like them and they have been issue free.
 

chupachup

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Sep 1, 2013
487
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With three iPhone 4(s), now two, running IOS 7.1.2 we are very happy with them. I frankly don't care about the story behind them what apple said what apple didn't say, we like them and they have been issue free.

Congratulations.I hated it. It was their worst phone.
 

beosound3200

macrumors 6502a
Nov 23, 2010
684
0
That was a lot of boloney. I have never owned a phone where covering one area totally killed the phone.

That was just pure apple BS.

They also tried to say all other phones suffered from the same issue. Haha. It was comical. That after trying to blame it on the users that were holding it wrong.

Like I said. Apple's lowest moment.

I have never been able to replicate the issue. Dropping bars, sure, but dropped calls, never.

Totally killing the phone? BS

It wasnt an issue for me nor millions of other people around the world. Thats how iphone 4 earned the cult status it had at the time. And they kept selling it unchanged years after.

As i said before, overblown bs proved by statistics. Its hard to find flaws in apple products so people start grasping at straws, especially the press.
 

sunking101

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Sep 19, 2013
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I noticed 'antennagate' before I purchased a leather flip case for my old iPhone 4 (which I would have done anyway, antenna probs or not) and with the case on I experienced zero problems. It's true that they should never have released a phone with such a basic problem (how did it get through testing??) but all told, the iPhone 4 was - during its period of technological relevance - my favourite phone to date. It looked good, performed very well and had perfect build quality. Pretty tough to beat! My iPhone 5 is another story altogether...
 

chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
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I have never been able to replicate the issue. Dropping bars, sure, but dropped calls, never.

Totally killing the phone? BS

It wasnt an issue for me nor millions of other people around the world. Thats how iphone 4 earned the cult status it had at the time. And they kept selling it unchanged years after.

As i said before, overblown bs proved by statistics. Its hard to find flaws in apple products so people start grasping at straws, especially the press.

Yes. It would kill my phone completely. It was very annoying when browsing the internet having to shift my hands around.

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I noticed 'antennagate' before I purchased a leather flip case for my old iPhone 4 (which I would have done anyway, antenna probs or not) and with the case on I experienced zero problems. It's true that they should never have released a phone with such a basic problem (how did it get through testing??) but all told, the iPhone 4 was - during its period of technological relevance - my favourite phone to date. It looked good, performed very well and had perfect build quality. Pretty tough to beat! My iPhone 5 is another story altogether...

I noticed it right after taking it out of the box. Unfortunately it used to happen where I used to be the most. In my living room. If the signal was 100% strong then the bars wouldn't drop enough to kill it, but anything less than perfect my palm would kill it and I would have to hold it with the tips of my fingers.

That wasn't too bad. It was the home button that killed it. It used to have an issue where if you removed the front panel you would damage the motherboard. So many home button replacements ended up in a non functioning front camera. This is what happened to mine and I sold it. Bought the 4s and all the issues had been resolved by then.
 
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