Windows 11

[amgff84]

I can't download the insider preview on my system. I don't think I can anyways. I have a X79 board with an i7 3970x, and from what I gather, this will not run Windows 11 insider... I'll check again though.

Confirmed. My PC is "too old" to run Windows 11. My CPU is about as fast as the way more modern Ryzen 5 3600x, Which is also a 6 core 12 thread CPU. My 980ti is also faster than an GTx-1660ti and within a small percentage of an RTX 2060. There are obvious performance benefits to running the newer architecture, but this is a slap in the face from Microsoft. I feel that if they want to be like Apple, you might as well go for the Apple product. If you consider my "old" machines specs are comparable to a more modern machine made in 2019, it seems to be a waste that my machine is on borrowed time because it will be useless in another 4 years when Microsoft drops support for Windows 10, but that equally fast machine with modern specs will still be thumping along.

I guess this was to be expected at some point. I mean, there is all this older hardware out there that people are still using and they refuse to upgrade.

Ryzen 5 3600x vs. i7-3970x
GTX 980 ti vs GTX 1660 ti

Currently checking to see if I can update to Monterey beta, which I think I can. Then I'll see if I can get multi-monitor support on my Hackintosh.

I'm not saying I'm leaving Windows 10 over all of this, yet. I am saying that Apple is more appealing at this point, and an M1 Mac Mini can be had at a reasonable cost, assuming this is the future direction of Windows. Plus my lights won't dim when I turn on my machine.

 

[AutomaticApple]

it will be useless in another 4 years when Microsoft drops support for Windows 10

No, your machine isn't going to become "useless" as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported. The same can be said for Windows 7.

If you really wanted to, you could always install Linux onto your machine after Windows 10 is no longer supported.

I guess this was to be expected at some point. I mean, there is all this older hardware out there that people are still using and they refuse to upgrade.

Microsoft hadn't changed the minimum requirements in more than a decade (since Windows 7). This change was long overdue.

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here.

 

[raqball]

You're in luck!

How to Get the Classic Start Menu Back in Windows 11

The Windows 11 classic Start menu is a hidden menu that looks more like the one you're used to in Windows 10. Here's how to get it with a registry tweak.

www.lifewire.com

Nice.. Hopefully they keep that as an option in the final release..

 

[pshufd]

No, your machine isn't going to become "useless" as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported. The same can be said for Windows 7.

If you really wanted to, you could always install Linux onto your machine after Windows 10 is no longer supported.

Microsoft hadn't changed the minimum requirements in more than a decade (since Windows 7). This change was long overdue.

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here.

Linux KVM should run W11 fine on unsupported hardware.

 

[raqball]

Why, I am not sure that there is anything special about Win10 Start Menu.

I don't even use it per se. I just hit Windows key and type first few letters of whatever I need.

Maybe I am just use to it and stubborn but I do not like Win 11 GUI one bit....

 

[09872738]

Anyone installed windows 11 arm ?

I tried, alas the installer complained about the missing TPM 2 module and wouldn‘t let me

 

[Falhófnir]

I tried, alas the istaller complained about the missing TPM 2 module and wouldn‘t let me

Which device are you trying it with?

 

[09872738]

Which device are you trying it with?

M1 MBP 16 GB / 1TB - using Parallels

 

[Falhófnir]

Maybe I am just use to it and stubborn but I do not like Win 11 GUI one bit....

I'd say I'm also less than sold, particularly the start menu looks less intuitive to me compared to the W10 one. I'm not in a rush to upgrade though, more than happy to sit on W10 for another 2-3 years.

M1 MBP 16 GB / 1TB - usung Parallels

Ok so not falling flat on Surface Pro X hardware at the first hurdle at least... I guess MS and Apple might have to negotiate a special Bootcamp build if it's something they both want to offer?

 

[amgff84]

No, your machine isn't going to become "useless" as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported. The same can be said for Windows 7.

If you really wanted to, you could always install Linux onto your machine after Windows 10 is no longer supported.

Microsoft hadn't changed the minimum requirements in more than a decade (since Windows 7). This change was long overdue.

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here.

Linux is great, I did my first two years of college on a Linux desktop. Ubuntu and Mint, but they don’t fit my needs. Sure I can run things in a virtual machine, but the ONLY reason I run Windows is for gaming and the occasional MS office application. For work, I need Windows and don’t mind running 7 or 10. I prefer MacOS and its tight integration into IOS and I don’t mind gaming on GeForce Now, or the likes.

 

[AutomaticApple]

I tried, alas the installer complained about the missing TPM 2 module and wouldn‘t let me

Well, you won't have to wait long.

Parallels to bring Windows 11 to Macs - 9to5Mac

After bringing Windows 10 support to the M1 Macs, Parallels confirmed it's in the work on Windows 11 compatibility to macOS.

9to5mac.com

There's just one issue though.

Windows 11 won't be officially supported by any Intel Mac - 9to5Mac

Windows 11 is the next major update to Microsoft's PC operating system. However, the update won't be officially supported by any Intel Mac.

9to5mac.com

Intel Macs can't run Windows 11 without this workaround | AppleInsider

When it's finally released, Windows 11 will require a processor with TPM 2.0 support and a compatible motherboard to install, but this isn't fully available in Macs at present. But — there are workarounds.

appleinsider.com

 

[09872738]

I see, thx. Unfortunately no word if this applies to Intel, Apple Silicon or both. In the longer term its gotta be ASi, for obvious reasons

 

[Bubble99]

ChromeOS is coming in very hot.

Chromebooks dominate the global PC market to 275% growth, with HP leading the charge

The Chromebook market hits new heights, in response partially to the pandemic, with cheap laptops dominating with a whopping 275% growth.

9to5google.com

I agree that Apple is way ahead in many regards but most people don't need the best. They want to buy a cheap device that does what they want, so they get a Chromebook and get locked into Google's ecosystem.

Well I use to have Android it was fast the first year or two than all the updates it got really slow. Why? Because the OS and every thing is more bloated now and the CPU and GPU cannot keep up.

The Android CPU and GPU are way behind Apple.

 

[LeeW]

Just installed 11, took me a while to figure out how to enable TPM, but I got there.

Liking it, it is certainly a more modern looking UI, not that different but enough to be noticeable. Time will tell, only be using it an hour so far but no issues to this point.

 

[pshufd]

Well I use to have Android it was fast the first year or two than all the updates it got really slow. Why? Because the OS and every thing is more bloated now and the CPU and GPU cannot keep up.

The Android CPU and GPU are way behind Apple.

I had the 2012 flagship Nexus 7. It died with Android 5. I've found that device support was awful in the Android world. No idea if it's better with Chromebooks.

 

[Bubble99]

Over the years, whenever Microsoft gave developers more options to develop apps using cross-platform technologies, the usual response is to ring the bell of doom and gloom about the demise of native, optimized Windows apps... and with it, the mass exodus of developers.

It never happened then, it won't now. The only arena where Microsoft completely flubbed it, numerous times, was with Windows Mobile. No one would know that Microsoft was the pioneer in the mobile space and that their OSes were arguably more advanced at its height of maturity than iOS and Android were just a few years ago.


Developers of enterprise, institutional, and vertical apps are not going to use technologies like electron to develop the central frameworks for their system. Sure, there might be the one-off widget or end-user tool written as an Android app, but for the most part, the systems will be developed using native software tools.

I say this as a software developer who has been in the industry longer than most people here have been alive... and with that...hey kid, get off my lawn!

What Microsoft should do is just tell people and business that in 10 years we are going to do what Apple is doing and make OS from the ground up and force all all app developers to do the same.

And if you want to run old software you not going to have internet so we don't need to worry about malware.

 

[Bubble99]

No, your machine isn't going to become "useless" as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported. The same can be said for Windows 7.

If you really wanted to, you could always install Linux onto your machine after Windows 10 is no longer supported.

Microsoft hadn't changed the minimum requirements in more than a decade (since Windows 7). This change was long overdue.

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here.

That is a big conspiracy that Microsoft is working with OEMs just to get everyone to get new computers for profit.

 

[Bubble99]

That's a very basic idea of what a PWA is. Web browsers are already open-source.

Let's wait and see what happens before jumping the gun. Microsoft said that they're considering allowing Windows 11 support for 7th generation Intel processors and 1st generation Ryzen processors.

You are not understanding what native app is vs cross-platform app is.

Native vs. Cross-Platform Development, Which One to Choose in 2021?

Native app vs Cross-Platform comparison to explain everything that you want to know. It will help you to choose the right platform.

www.metizsoft.com

 

[pshufd]

That is a big conspiracy that Microsoft is working with OEMs just to get everyone to get new computers for profit.

What's wrong with that? If I owned Microsoft (I do but not directly), I'd expect management to figure out ways to increase license and hardware revenues.

 

[LeeW]

I'd expect management to figure out ways to increase license and hardware revenues.

What, like Apple does all of the time?

 

[diamond.g]

What's wrong with that? If I owned Microsoft (I do but not directly), I'd expect management to figure out ways to increase license and hardware revenues.

Have you not partaken in the Azure Tea Microsoft is selling? I hear it is quite tasty...

 

[pshufd]

Have you not partaken in the Azure Tea Microsoft is selling? I hear it is quite tasty...

I am into Oracle Autonomous Database Cloud for my main play.

 

[diamond.g]

I am into Oracle Autonomous Database Cloud for my main play.

Ah, from what I see MS is really pushing Azure. Even on the DoD side they are pretty big on cloud services. On Prem is on it's way out from their perspective. non-OEM Windows licensing is a drop in the bucket. Plus it is pretty clear MS isn't really worried about consumer use of Windows as they are still allowing 7/8/8.1 keys the ability to upgrade to Windows 10 (which should have stopped working years ago).

 

[pshufd]

Ah, from what I see MS is really pushing Azure. Even on the DoD side they are pretty big on cloud services. On Prem is on it's way out from their perspective. non-OEM Windows licensing is a drop in the bucket. Plus it is pretty clear MS isn't really worried about consumer use of Windows as they are still allowing 7/8/8.1 keys the ability to upgrade to Windows 10 (which should have stopped working years ago).

Cloud is where the growth is. I'm on Oracle because they didn't get the big bump in stock price that the other cloud players did last year and they're in the process of making up for it now.

You don't need a license to run W10. You can just run it. They will nag you from time to time and there will be a watermark on your screen but you are free to run it otherwise. I have an unlicensed W10 VM (on Windows) and use it as a sandbox. Oracle has Cloud, On Prem, Cloud at Customer and Hybrid. There seems to be tons of money to be made in this business.

 

[Bubble99]

What's wrong with that? If I owned Microsoft (I do but not directly), I'd expect management to figure out ways to increase license and hardware revenues.

You mean Microsoft making a deal with big companies like HP, Acer, Dell, Gateway and Lenovo that Microsoft take cut out of the sales of new computers sold? So if you by new $1,000 HP computer Microsoft will take cut out of the sales? And both Microsoft and HP will be happy.