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GameKing505

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What is with the new precision timer for the Ultra? Is there a change to get this?
See at 07:59 Starting a workout changes

Unless I'm misunderstanding, both of these features are already part of WorkOutDoors? If you hit the three dots next to "running" and then click "open workout" you get a screen showing you gps and sensor connection with a big green start button. Additionally you can toggle the countdown on and off.
 
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cfc

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Hi Ian,

I'm on the beta so have access to the power zones already. Unfortunately my running interval schedules require a bit more granularity for ranges than zones e.g. an easy run may be low zone 1 or high zone 1. I suppose I could just change all the zone targets but I believe the number of zones (6) and names are all fixed? Adding intensity targets would be great. However given my threshold power hasn't changed for 6 months it isn't a big issue!
You have found a bug, or what I would prefer to call an "unintended limitation". The zones should have a granularity of one decimal place, So you could specify an interval target range of zone 3.4 to zone 3.9. I have just checked and the app only allows whole zones, so I will change that in the future.

It probably won't be in the next version, because that is imminent, but in the following version that has support for the Ultra's action button.

Thanks for testing the app!
 

super.sjimmie

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Today I updated my iPhone to IOS 16 and my Apple Watch to WatchOS 9. All seemed to work fine when I started running, until the voice was activated. I use the voice on every km and every 15 minutes. Before I updated, the voice was kinda female ish. Now the voice is more like santa clause after smoking a cigar. The settings viewed on the phone app are still the same as before (and I don't recall seeing a selection between female/male voice).
 

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Today I updated my iPhone to IOS 16 and my Apple Watch to WatchOS 9. All seemed to work fine when I started running, until the voice was activated. I use the voice on every km and every 15 minutes. Before I updated, the voice was kinda female ish. Now the voice is more like santa clause after smoking a cigar. The settings viewed on the phone app are still the same as before (and I don't recall seeing a selection between female/male voice).
Nothing has changed in the area for ages, and no-one else has reported this, so please try rebooting both the watch and the iPhone, because that often fixes strange problems.

You can change the voice in the settings. Go to the Voice section and choose the Accent. If you speak English then you can usually choose from at least a couple of accents.

The app uses Siri to speak so it is also worth checking your Siri settings.
 

super.sjimmie

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Nothing has changed in the area for ages, and no-one else has reported this, so please try rebooting both the watch and the iPhone, because that often fixes strange problems.

You can change the voice in the settings. Go to the Voice section and choose the Accent. If you speak English then you can usually choose from at least a couple of accents.

The app uses Siri to speak so it is also worth checking your Siri settings.
Both iPhone and Watch rebooted right when they were updated and thats just when it changed. Do you expect a second reboot to revert that?
All voice settings are just as they were before, nothing changed. And when I press the test button it sounds normal (which is played on the phone, not on the watch).
 

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Both iPhone and Watch rebooted right when they were updated and thats just when it changed. Do you expect a second reboot to revert that?
All voice settings are just as they were before, nothing changed. And when I press the test button it sounds normal (which is played on the phone, not on the watch).
I can't explain it then. What country are you in? The default Siri voice depends on the country and maybe Apple have changed it for your country in watchOS 9. What voice do you hear when you use Siri on the watch?

Has anyone else noticed any voice changes?
 

rcarter3636

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Just switched to this app today as the Apple Workout App has made the metric fonts smaller with latest software update.
I have a feeling many more will follow.
Only thing missing is AWD which if I understand correctly is a royal pain for developers.
 
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Just switched to this app today as the Apple Workout App has made the metric fonts smaller with latest software update.
I have a feeling many more will follow.
Only thing missing is AWD which if I understand correctly is a royal pain for developers.
The Always on Display is relatively easy to support for newer apps that were written in SwiftUI (or for apps that do not need to change the screen when inactive), but unfortunately WOD was first written long before that coding language was introduced.

I have been working on it in the background though and have a plan that I am keen to try to code. However I won't be able to properly start on it until after the watchOS 9 and Ultra versions of the app have been released.
 

super.sjimmie

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I can confirm that toggling the voice settings (so change something, send it, change it back, send it) fixed the strange voice issue. Seems like some settings get lost or corrupted during the watchOS update? (since I read more other settings that needed a toggle)
 
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I can confirm that toggling the voice settings (so change something, send it, change it back, send it) fixed the strange voice issue. Seems like some settings get lost or corrupted during the watchOS update? (since I read more other settings that needed a toggle)
Glad you fixed it. Thanks for posting the solution in case anyone else has the same problem.
 
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Cowboy8467

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@cfc Or anyone else for that matter. Does anyone know if Apple made a change in the new OS so that third-party apps cannot be used to get badges? I did a longer bike ride today than I normally do using Workoutdoors and upon completion I had exceeded the distance and number of calories burnt that I had previously gotten badges for in the workout app, but I didn't get any new badges or indication that I had broken my previous record. My rings still got closed by my workout, the move ring and the exercise ring, but no badges.

Anyone tried to obtain one using WOD since OS 9 update?
 

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@cfc Or anyone else for that matter. Does anyone know if Apple made a change in the new OS so that third-party apps cannot be used to get badges? I did a longer bike ride today than I normally do using Workoutdoors and upon completion I had exceeded the distance and number of calories burnt that I had previously gotten badges for in the workout app, but I didn't get any new badges or indication that I had broken my previous record. My rings still got closed by my workout, the move ring and the exercise ring, but no badges.

Anyone tried to obtain one using WOD since OS 9 update?
I'm not sure I've ever gotten the exercise badges when done through WoD - only the badges which related to the rings and exercise time. Specific things like running and hiking doesn't get me the badges in Fitness. Those badges appear to only work through the standard workout app.
 

Cowboy8467

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I'm not sure I've ever gotten the exercise badges when done through WoD - only the badges which related to the rings and exercise time. Specific things like running and hiking doesn't get me the badges in Fitness. Those badges appear to only work through the standard workout app.
You know, now that I go back and look I think you are correct. For some reason I could have sworn that I was able to get the badges using WOD in the previous WatchOS version but I think I was incorrect. Oh well, I'm sure it's Apple causing the issues from their end.
 

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You know, now that I go back and look I think you are correct. For some reason I could have sworn that I was able to get the badges using WOD in the previous WatchOS version but I think I was incorrect. Oh well, I'm sure it's Apple causing the issues from their end.
The badges are out of the control of third party apps like WOD. It saves the workouts to Apple's health system and they do the rest.

I know that most badges are generated regardless of whether the workout is from a third party app or not, but some badges require a workout to be created with Apple's app. However I don't have a definitive list of which is which (and it probably changes over time).
 
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Cowboy8467

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The badges are out of the control of third party apps like WOD. It saves the workouts to Apple's health system and they do the rest.

I know that most badges are generated regardless of whether the workout is from a third party app or not, but some badges require a workout to be created with Apple's app. However I don't have a definitive list of which is which (and it probably changes over time).
That makes sense. I knew that I was not going to be able to get the seven workout week badge for instance, because it specifically says in there that you have to start the work out within that app, but for things like the most calories burned while biking and most distance traveled while biking I thought there was a chance that I could get them using WorkOutDoors, but it doesn’t look like it. No worries I understand that this is something that is out of your control.
 
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Mibra

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Hello, first of all a big compliment. I just bought the app but I love it.
Now the two things I would still wish for. First of all, always on the display, but that will come soon.
2. That you can calibrate external speed sensors on the bike via GPS. Unfortunately, the preset values are not quite correct. Perhaps a function such as Garmin with the auto calibration would be possible.

Otherwise keep it up. You are doing an excellent job with this app
 
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Hello, first of all a big compliment. I just bought the app but I love it.
Now the two things I would still wish for. First of all, always on the display, but that will come soon.
2. That you can calibrate external speed sensors on the bike via GPS. Unfortunately, the preset values are not quite correct. Perhaps a function such as Garmin with the auto calibration would be possible.

Otherwise keep it up. You are doing an excellent job with this app
Glad you like the app. I considered auto-calibration and may add it in the future, but you are the first person to ask for it, and it sounds quite fiddly to code and test, so it is very low on my list. Sorry about that.
 
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You know, now that I go back and look I think you are correct. For some reason I could have sworn that I was able to get the badges using WOD in the previous WatchOS version but I think I was incorrect. Oh well, I'm sure it's Apple causing the issues from their end.
I had the same thought as you a few months ago. I thought I got them using WoD - in reality I got these badges before WoD.
 
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BlackOrange

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Hi, I recently switched to use workoutdoors as my primary app for tracking my running workouts.

Love it so far.

But as the settings and configuration options are so many I’m not sure if I’m already getting everything out of it.

So perhaps the following feature is already supported and I just haven’t found how to enable it.

For my workout I have a route file uploaded and selected that I follow. I would have expected that with that information the app would be able to calculate finishing time and remaining distance.

The only way I found to get informations for finishing time and remaining distance was to setup a “Intervall Schedule” with a fixed distance/time.


Question: is there a set-up to use the route informations for calculating finishing time and remaining distance?


If not it would be great to add it in the future.

First it would be very convenient if it would not be necessary to create a “Intervall Schedule” for every route.

Second it would be amazing that finishing time and remaining distance could change dynamically and still be correct if getting of route for some parts when coming back on route again.

Third my tracking distance is always a bit off from the “real” distance. Somewhere in the range of 0.5-1%. In normal workouts that’s not a big deal. But in race it would be amazing to always have proper finishing time and remaining distance according to the route file.
 
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Hi, I recently switched to use workoutdoors as my primary app for tracking my running workouts.

Love it so far.

But as the settings and configuration options are so many I’m not sure if I’m already getting everything out of it.

So perhaps the following feature is already supported and I just haven’t found how to enable it.

For my workout I have a route file uploaded and selected that I follow. I would have expected that with that information the app would be able to calculate finishing time and remaining distance.

The only way I found to get informations for finishing time and remaining distance was to setup a “Intervall Schedule” with a fixed distance/time.


Question: is there a set-up to use the route informations for calculating finishing time and remaining distance?


If not it would be great to add it in the future.

First it would be very convenient if it would not be necessary to create a “Intervall Schedule” for every route.

Second it would be amazing that finishing time and remaining distance could change dynamically and still be correct if getting of route for some parts when coming back on route again.

Third my tracking distance is always a bit off from the “real” distance. Somewhere in the range of 0.5-1%. In normal workouts that’s not a big deal. But in race it would be amazing to always have proper finishing time and remaining distance according to the route file.
The app does not yet "follow" a route so it cannot give estimates to the end. It can determine whether or not you are near the route and so can give alerts when you deviate from it, but does not know how far along the route you are. This would be pretty easy for routes that do not go back on themselves, but needs some more complex logic to allow for those that do.

This is part of the navigational improvements that are joint top of my to-do list, along with the always on display. They will probably include turn-by-turn (if the GPX file contains directions), improved waypoint features and a few other things. Maybe "target workout" where it follows a previous workout route and shows how far ahead or behind you are, like with the current "target pace".

I would have started on this back in June but Apple unexpectedly announced many workout changes in watchOS 9 so I have been working hard on them since. Hopefully when thing settle down after the watchOS 9 and Ultra releases then I will be able to start on the navigation features and AOD.

In terms of the distance the app uses Apple's distances by default, so you may need to calibrate them as described here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204516. If that doesn't work (some people just don't get on with it) then you can switch the app to use the GPS distance instead in the Pace & Distance settings of the app.
 

blimundus

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It looks like Apple have thrown up a surprise and it's a nasty one. They are getting rid of the force touch gesture, which means a major rethink for WorkOutDoors in terms of how you end the workout and how you access the settings […] My hope is that Apple may compensate for force touch by including an extra physical button or two on the series 6 watch that apps can use. If so then I could default to using such a button to replace force touch. However I cannot rely on that so I will need to restructure the app this Summer.
Very prescient indeed. 🙂

(Sticking with my 40mm Series 4 on my 160mm wrist…)
 
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estesbubba

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Has anyone confirmed if Cycling crash detection actually works when recording with WOD? The best answer I've found so far is that it should.
 

BlackOrange

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The app does not yet "follow" a route so it cannot give estimates to the end. It can determine whether or not you are near the route and so can give alerts when you deviate from it, but does not know how far along the route you are. This would be pretty easy for routes that do not go back on themselves, but needs some more complex logic to allow for those that do.

This is part of the navigational improvements that are joint top of my to-do list, along with the always on display. They will probably include turn-by-turn (if the GPX file contains directions), improved waypoint features and a few other things. Maybe "target workout" where it follows a previous workout route and shows how far ahead or behind you are, like with the current "target pace".

I would have started on this back in June but Apple unexpectedly announced many workout changes in watchOS 9 so I have been working hard on them since. Hopefully when thing settle down after the watchOS 9 and Ultra releases then I will be able to start on the navigation features and AOD.

In terms of the distance the app uses Apple's distances by default, so you may need to calibrate them as described here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204516. If that doesn't work (some people just don't get on with it) then you can switch the app to use the GPS distance instead in the Pace & Distance settings of the app.
Thanks for being so super responsive here in the forum. Very much appreciated.

This would be pretty easy for routes that do not go back on themselves, but needs some more complex logic to allow for those that do.
I would not mind to have first the easy solution implemented. This would cover at least 95% of all my use cases and can always get improved later on ;)


Currently trying out different data you can put on the screens. This app has so many options :)
On my run today I tried out many of the graphs and found some issues with some of them.
Graphs like Heartrate and Speed start for the first meters/minute quite low and go up very steep. That means that there is very little room to show the important part of how the graph develops during the run as the big ramp up takes most of the chart space and everything else is happening the top 20% of the chart. As graphs currently always show the whole duration of the workout I found no way to get around that limitation. I think it would be great to have the option to cut off the first minute (or so) from the graphs or to ignore the warm up phase when working with intervals or any other option to cut off the initial ramp up phase.
 

Mauki

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This is part of the navigational improvements that are joint top of my to-do list, along with the always on display. They will probably include turn-by-turn (if the GPX file contains directions), improved waypoint features and a few other things. Maybe "target workout" where it follows a previous workout route and shows how far ahead or behind you are, like with the current "target pace".

Maybe Komoot can help you with turn-by-turn?

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