Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[nyco]

Unfortunately intervals created in one app (such as Final Surge) are not visible to other apps such as WOD. They can only be seen by Apple's native Workout app. So I couldn't use that as a mechanism to get intervals from FS to WOD.

At least that is what I was told by Apple during a one-to-one session during WWDC.

ah ok, understood. Thanks

 

[henrikro]

Hi Workoutdoors

First of all, I would like to thank you for making my absolutely number 1 app for my Apple Watch, by far my most used and a strong reason for owning the watch.

I have an idea for additional training metrics, that it would be fantastic if could be included

I thus try to focus a lot on my running efficiency, being how much effort I use, to run a particular distance - e.g. pulsebeats pr. meter ... this can actually rather easily be calculated. I am also a huge fan of your rolling metrics, e.g. rolling pace 2.
Based on this, I would imagine it could e.g. be possible to calculate for the last minute run: number of meters divided by BPM ?

An additional suggestion could be the possibility for the user to create individual formulas for WOD, based on the metrics currently stored in WOD ?

I have actually also found an article more thoroughly explaining running efficiency factor, for further inspiration:

What Is Running Efficiency and How Is It Measured?

Monitor your Efficiency Factor in TrainingPeaks to ensure you are become a more efficient, and faster runner

www.trainingpeaks.com

I hope this might be possible in some future release of the app 🍀☺️

Kind regards, Henrik

 

[cfc]

Hi Workoutdoors

First of all, I would like to thank you for making my absolutely number 1 app for my Apple Watch, by far my most used and a strong reason for owning the watch.

I have an idea for additional training metrics, that it would be fantastic if could be included

I thus try to focus a lot on my running efficiency, being how much effort I use, to run a particular distance - e.g. pulsebeats pr. meter ... this can actually rather easily be calculated. I am also a huge fan of your rolling metrics, e.g. rolling pace 2.
Based on this, I would imagine it could e.g. be possible to calculate for the last minute run: number of meters divided by BPM ?

An additional suggestion could be the possibility for the user to create individual formulas for WOD, based on the metrics currently stored in WOD ?

I have actually also found an article more thoroughly explaining running efficiency factor, for further inspiration:

What Is Running Efficiency and How Is It Measured?

Monitor your Efficiency Factor in TrainingPeaks to ensure you are become a more efficient, and faster runner

www.trainingpeaks.com

I hope this might be possible in some future release of the app 🍀☺️

Kind regards, Henrik

A couple of people have mentioned running efficiency in the past, so it is on my to-do list, but not high on the list at the moment. Sorry about that. However it will rise up as a result of your request.

I don't think that anyone has ever asked for the ability to create derived metrics based on formulae that use the built-in metrics. However I have actually considered it because I coded something similar in a previous job many years ago. Maybe one day, but probably not anytime soon.

 

[Deep_Thought]

Did I imagine it, or is there a way to see battery used metrics and other stats on a workout? I recall seeing something that said battery at start or workout and battery at end?

 

[cfc]

Did I imagine it, or is there a way to see battery used metrics and other stats on a workout? I recall seeing something that said battery at start or workout and battery at end?

The log shows a lot of information, including the battery level at the start and at the end of a workout. You can find the log in the last tab for a workout in the iPhone app. That tab may be titled GPS or Power but the left hand button below the tabs can change it to show the log.

During beta testing over the summer the log also showed the battery usage per hour. However I removed that before release because it became less accurate when Apple changed something in watchOS 10 which means that the app can only read the battery level to the nearest 5%.

 

[jimmyjoy]

Would it be possible to add an option to share interval schedules with another WoD user?

 

[cfc]

Would it be possible to add an option to share interval schedules with another WoD user?

I plan to improve the schedules with import / export functionality, which would allow that, but it is currently below navigation improvements and custom activity types on my to-do list. Sorry about that.

 

[kabzior]

I don't like to set myself deadlines because priorities change but it probably won't be until the second half of next year at the earliest, because navigation and custom activities are higher priority at the moment and both will take a long time.

Nothing about dates or deadlines, but just a friendly question - are you working on Navi already?

 

[cfc]

Nothing about dates or deadlines, but just a friendly question - are you working on Navi already?

Yes, but more as a background task at the moment because I still spend most of my time on supporting the app rather than improving it (which is unfortunately normal for this time of year).

Things are calming down so I will hopefully get a chance to look into navigation properly soon. Although support work will then take over again at Christmas. The early months of the year are best for coding so that's when I am hoping to make some real progress.

 

[kabzior]

The early months of the year are best for coding so that's when I am hoping to make some real progress.

Great to hear that
Many ideas for implementing navi have been discussed here on the forum, do you have any crystallized vision of what direction you will take? Or would you rather not mention it yet?

 

[cfc]

Great to hear that
Many ideas for implementing navi have been discussed here on the forum, do you have any crystallized vision of what direction you will take? Or would you rather not mention it yet?

I have a pretty good idea of what I will add because they are features that have been requested many times, but it's too early for details.

 

[javigt]

Importing schedules from FIT files is on my to-do list. I have coded it up to work with the current interval schedules, but they don’t yet support nested repeat loops.

I asked on these forums a few months back and most people said there would be complaints if I released without supporting nested repeats. So I decided to hold fire because nested loops would take a while to implement and there are higher priorities at the moment.

However watchOS does not allow nested loops in structured workouts either and watchOS 10 allows other systems to send it workouts. So the nested loop restriction doesn't sound too bad now.

My current plan is to wait and see how Training Peaks and other systems utilise the new watchOS 10 schedule importing and then decide what to do.

Glad you like the app!

Thanks for the answer! I tried import TrainingPeaks structured workout in app called Watchletic and imports it very well, so it avoid you to introduce manual workouts every day.

Hope see this feature implemented soon!

 

[cfc]

Thanks for the answer! I tried import TrainingPeaks structured workout in app called Watchletic and imports it very well, so it avoid you to introduce manual workouts every day.

Hope see this feature implemented soon!

How does that work? Does it import from Training Peaks directly somehow, or via watchOS 10, or via FIT files?

 

[Dovales]

Hi! When I’m on weight training profile, the app shows heart rate on top of the screen with battery percentage on all screens. But when I’m on running profile, it shows a GPS bar and also the battery percentage. Is it possible to change this? While running I would like to change any of the options to heart rate too.

 

[cfc]

Hi! When I’m on weight training profile, the app shows heart rate on top of the screen with battery percentage on all screens. But when I’m on running profile, it shows a GPS bar and also the battery percentage. Is it possible to change this? While running I would like to change any of the options to heart rate too.

Sorry that is not possible at the moment. The app shows GPS and battery for outdoor workouts and HR and battery for indoor workouts. I don't think anyone has asked for that before but it seems a good idea so I will bear it in mind in the future.

 

[Dovales]

Sorry that is not possible at the moment. The app shows GPS and battery for outdoor workouts and HR and battery for indoor workouts. I don't think anyone has asked for that before but it seems a good idea so I will bear it in mind in the future.

Thanks! As we already have the option to customize the bottom bar, it would be nice been able to change the top one too.

 

[alex.79]

Hi. Great App.
I have a quick quesitos;
Is it possible set the time (top right corner) with bigger numbers??
I can not see it easily.

 

[javigt]

How does that work? Does it import from Training Peaks directly somehow, or via watchOS 10, or via FIT files?

You have to put your TrainingPeaks account in Wathletic app and then press a button (it also does it automatically) to import the structured workouts of next 7 days into Watchletic calendar. It seems that it is imported through some Trainingpeaks API just like Garmin Connect.
Also allows import workouts from Final Surge, Runcoach, Ai Endurance and some more.

I can put screenshots if you need to see it, or send it to you by email.

 

[cfc]

Hi. Great App.
I have a quick quesitos;
Is it possible set the time (top right corner) with bigger numbers??
I can not see it easily.

Unfortunately the time is drawn by watchOS so the app doesn't have any control over it.

Apple changed something in watchOS 10.1 which meant that the app was somehow able to draw over the time. So that may mean that it is now possible for the app to control what is displayed in that corner. However I suspect that was a bug in watchOS rather than a deliberate change, and it could therefore be fixed. I could be wrong though; time will tell.

 

[cfc]

You have to put your TrainingPeaks account in Wathletic app and then press a button (it also does it automatically) to import the structured workouts of next 7 days into Watchletic calendar. It seems that it is imported through some Trainingpeaks API just like Garmin Connect.
Also allows import workouts from Final Surge, Runcoach, Ai Endurance and some more.

I can put screenshots if you need to see it, or send it to you by email.

Thanks for that. I probably won't go as far as connecting to several different systems like that. Initially I will make the app import FIT files and maybe in the future connect to TrainingPeaks as they are the most requested system. A bit like the app exports to Strava but exporting to other systems is done manually or by apps like RunGap and HealthFit.

Although the last I heard TrainingPeaks were not accepting any new users of their API, which has been the case for a long time. (https://api.trainingpeaks.com/request-access)

 

[gi3m0]

Hi all.I`ve got a strange problem with ultra using WOD and syncing to sports tracker..When I finish a workout,it always synchonizes with strava,but with ST is so,so...Sometimes yes,now a few days nothing?Is ther any known bug or solution?Thx in advice (workouts are visible in workout history in WOD)....

 

[cfc]

Hi all.I`ve got a strange problem with ultra using WOD and syncing to sports tracker..When I finish a workout,it always synchonizes with strava,but with ST is so,so...Sometimes yes,now a few days nothing?Is ther any known bug or solution?Thx in advice (workouts are visible in workout history in WOD)....

How do you synchronise with ST? I assume it is via Apple's Health system, so please check if the workouts are visible in Apple's Fitness or Health apps.

If the workouts are in Apple's health system then you probably need to contact Sports Tracker.

If they are not visible in those apps then please check that you have given WorkOutDoors permission to read and write all the health data. To check this go to the Settings app on the iPhone and select Privacy / Health / WorkOutDoors. Make sure that every health setting is enabled (you may need to scroll down to turn them all on). Note that if you have installed on a new iPhone then you may need to give permission again.

If they are all enabled then you may be experiencing a rare bug with iOS/watchOS where the watch seems to lose the permission. To fix this switch all of the permissions off, then reboot both the iPhone and the watch, and then switch them all on again. This procedure nudges iOS into sending them to the watch again.

 

[alex.79]

Unfortunately the time is drawn by watchOS so the app doesn't have any control over it.

Apple changed something in watchOS 10.1 which meant that the app was somehow able to draw over the time. So that may mean that it is now possible for the app to control what is displayed in that corner. However I suspect that was a bug in watchOS rather than a deliberate change, and it could therefore be fixed. I could be wrong though; time will tell.

Another question;
Does the fall detection works during a WorkOutDoors training?
The fall detection’s setting on Apple Watch is only during trainings.
Thank you.

 

[Evankovach]

New user, and love the app with one major issue that I can’t seem to remedy.

I have notifications set to alert me every 1K while running. I chose for it not to appear on the screen and only by voice. I actually wouldn’t mind if it would appear on the screen, but what is happening to me is when the notification comes, it takes the app off the map screen and onto a notification screen. I try to clear it but can’t find out how other than clicking notification at the top, but then it reappears about 5 seconds later and for the rest of the run whenever I check my watch it’s the notification screen and not the map.

Is there anyway to keep the notification but not have it continually go back to a notification screen?

Im using the newest and fully updated AWU.

Thanks!

 

[cfc]

Another question;
Does the fall detection works during a WorkOutDoors training?
The fall detection’s setting on Apple Watch is only during trainings.
Thank you.

I think that fall detection works in third party workout apps but I have never tested it. However I think people have told me that it worked for them.