Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[spacemnspiff]

I requested Strava (see below) that Apple watch and version is displayed on the workout when using WOD.

Email to Strava support - I use a third party app on an Apple Watch and have for years, it's called WorkOutDoors. I have been a Strava subscriber for many years and have requested Strava fix the device information when an activity is recorded. No device is shown on any of my activities and has not for many years. This is not acceptable from my point of view (it's been going on for years) and Strava should fix the device information for all activity recorded with an Apple Watch and WorkOutDoor app.

Please notify me about the progress on this issue.

Thanks for writing in here and apologies for any delay in responding to your request.

We aren't going to be showing 3rd party app information in place of a device for a given activity, and when the activities are synced from WorkOutDoors there is no device information written to the file at the time of recording. If you'd like to see your device listed on your activities, you'll want to use the native Apple workout app or the Strava watch app.

Do take care now. Much appreciated.

Best,
Hank
Strava Support Team

@cfc, is there information missing from WOD that is sent to Strava about the device?

I did the same thing when AWU2 was released in October 2023 😉 I had a Garmin Epix gen 2. I don't regret, I've all I need with wod 👍🏻

I briefly tried FR265 for a week (it's going back), my sleep measurements was consistently bad and since HR sensor is not as accurate on the Garmin as the Apple Watch. As a result all the other training metrics based on sleep and HR that Garmin was provided was going to be useless to me.

All the other functionality lost with Garmin is also what I missed in AW - localized weather, calendar, Apple Pay (Garmin pay doesn't support all the cards I need). Button press tactile feedback on the Garmin is not great, double click and un-click is an issue. Software update ended with endless hung loop, I needed Garmin Express to resolve that.

Only things that I will miss from Garmin is the lap button, nested workouts and navigation - step by step + bread crumbs. Hopefully nested workouts with import and navigation are something we see soon in WOD.

 

[cfc]

@cfc, is there information missing from WOD that is sent to Strava about the device?

There are "manufacturer id" and "product id" fields in the FIT file sent to Strava that describe the device, but in the documentation for FIT files Apple is not listed as an available manufacturer and there aren't any Apple Watches listed in the available products. I assume that Strava have assigned some internal id that represents Apple Watches but I can't find out what that is.

I look into this every now and then (I just downloaded and checked the latest SDK documentation as a result of your post) but have never found a way to tell Strava that a workout was created by an Apple Watch.

So Strava are correct that there is no device information in the FIT file created by WorkOutDoors but that is because, as far as I know, they don't tell people how to store that information for an Apple Watch.

If anyone knows what values I need to store in those fields then I will store them, but I have asked that a few times before and no-one has known. Maybe one day Strava will reveal how to do it, although judging from their reply they would prefer people to use their app or Apple's app.

 

[spacemnspiff]

There are "manufacturer id" and "product id" fields in the FIT file sent to Strava that describe the device, but in the documentation for FIT files Apple is not listed as an available manufacturer and there aren't any Apple Watches listed in the available products. I assume that Strava have assigned some internal id that represents Apple Watches but I can't find out what that is.

I look into this every now and then (I just downloaded and checked the latest SDK documentation as a result of your post) but have never found a way to tell Strava that a workout was created by an Apple Watch.

So Strava are correct that there is no device information in the FIT file created by WorkOutDoors but that is because, as far as I know, they don't tell people how to store that information for an Apple Watch.

If anyone knows what values I need to store in those fields then I will store them, but I have asked that a few times before and no-one has known. Maybe one day Strava will reveal how to do it, although judging from their reply they would prefer people to use their app or Apple's app.

Ok. I have an idea, is it possible to take a look for the specific dials in the FIT file sent by the Apple Workout app to Strava and then have a library of that in WOD for each device that Apple makes?

I should follow up with Strava and ask them for mfg id and product id and the options for those fields for Apple devices.

 

[cfc]

Ok. I have an idea, is it possible to take a look for the specific dials in the FIT file sent by the Apple Workout app to Strava and then have a library of that in WOD for each device that Apple makes?

I should follow up with Strava and ask them for mfg id and product id and the options for those fields for Apple devices.

Unfortunately I don't think it is possible to intercept the file that Strava send from their app to their systems. I did try exporting the resulting file from their systems once but couldn't work it out from that either. As I say I investigate every now and then in case something has changed, but I have never got anywhere.

Good luck with Strava!

 

[kecinzer]

Ok. I have an idea, is it possible to take a look for the specific dials in the FIT file sent by the Apple Workout app to Strava and then have a library of that in WOD for each device that Apple makes?

I should follow up with Strava and ask them for mfg id and product id and the options for those fields for Apple devices.

I sending activities made with Apple Workout app with HealthFit app to Strava and I can't see my Watch also. The only way to display AW on Strava is use directly Strava app (as I know).
But looking for this feature too 😄.

 

[FMUK]

Unfortunately I don't think it is possible to intercept the file that Strava send from their app to their systems. I did try exporting the resulting file from their systems once but couldn't work it out from that either. As I say I investigate every now and then in case something has changed, but I have never got anywhere.

Good luck with Strava!

Isn't it -

--- manufacturer=255=development
--- product_name="Watch7,5"

(for an Ultra 2)

 

[cfc]

Isn't it -

--- manufacturer=255=development
--- product_name="Watch7,5"

(for an Ultra 2)

That didn't work for me when I just tried it. Have you got that from reverse engineering a FIT file?

 

[Jenzaah]

That didn't work for me when I just tried it. Have you got that from reverse engineering a FIT file?

If i export the original from Strava I get the following for the Ultra 2:

--- time_created=1073554425=2024-01-07T09:33:45Z
--- manufacturer=265=strava
--- type=4=activity
--- product=163=163

I checked with an earlier entry for a garmin vivoactive 4 and there it was the following:

--- time_created=1029995425=2022-08-21T05:50:25Z
--- manufacturer=1=garmin
--- garmin_product=3225=vivoactive4_large
--- type=4=activity

Maybe this helps?

 

[FMUK]

That didn't work for me when I just tried it. Have you got that from reverse engineering a FIT file?

Its what I see in Runalyze that also recognises I used Apple Watch Ultra 2 (synced via HealthFit app).
Maybe it also needs the device serial field??

 

[cfc]

If i export the original from Strava I get the following for the Ultra 2:

--- time_created=1073554425=2024-01-07T09:33:45Z
--- manufacturer=265=strava
--- type=4=activity
--- product=163=163

I checked with an earlier entry for a garmin vivoactive 4 and there it was the following:

--- time_created=1029995425=2022-08-21T05:50:25Z
--- manufacturer=1=garmin
--- garmin_product=3225=vivoactive4_large
--- type=4=activity

Maybe this helps?

That worked! So I need to set the manufacturer to Strava when uploading to them and set the product to the appropriate value for the model of Apple Watch.

I tried a product of 162 and that resulted in a Series 9 when I uploaded, so I can probably work out all the different models by a process of trial and error. And I will need to update the code when each model is released.

Many thanks!

 

[Mauki]

Early next year is the plan for the navigation beta. Hopefully January but maybe February. It depends on how things go.

That sounds nice.

Hope that this will coming, because we are waiting since a long time for navigation.

thanks

 

[Defencer]

Hi! I am a new user of W.O.D. and I did not find any information in the User Guide. Is there a distance meter (km) for running sneakers (shoes)? I didn't find an answer on this forum either. For an example from the program ISmoothRun (Screen)

 

[cfc]

Hi! I am a new user of W.O.D. and I did not find any information in the User Guide. Is there a distance meter (km) for running sneakers (shoes)? I didn't find an answer on this forum either. For an example from the program ISmoothRun (Screen)

I may add gear tracking in the future, although I think it is something that Apple should do so that they can track it across different apps. However they have not added it and several people have asked for it, so it is on my list of features to add.

In the meantime you can see total distances in the app, which may help. To do this tap the icon in the top right of the Workouts tab. Then filter by Running and group by something like month. It will then tell you your running totals for each month, which may help you calculate how much usage your shoes have had. If you use more than one shoe then you could include the shoe name in the workout name and then filter by that.

Alternatively, you could use HealthFit, which includes gear tracking functionality. WorkOutDoors stores all workouts in Apple's Health system, and HealthFit allows you to associate gear with each workout:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/healthfit/id1202650514?mt=8

 

[Defencer]

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Thank you for answering my question. I use more than one pair of running sneakers. The suggested options (HealthFit) are not convenient. Please add this option (gear tracking) feature to the application. I will be waiting for updates W.O.D. Apple will be waiting a long time

 

[youngguns]

First of all, I apologize if you have had a similar problem. Can the WOD be set to be similar to the one shown on the garmin watch in the picture below? During the process of downloading the gpx, the terrain height is displayed and the position reached so far is marked?

 

[Jenzaah]

Are there any plans to include the effort rating in WOD? For now I can alter this in the fitness app, but I keep forgetting to do this right away.

 

[cfc]

First of all, I apologize if you have had a similar problem. Can the WOD be set to be similar to the one shown on the garmin watch in the picture below? During the process of downloading the gpx, the terrain height is displayed and the position reached so far is marked?

This will be in the next version of the app, but that won't be released to the App Store for a few months.

 

[cfc]

Are there any plans to include the effort rating in WOD? For now I can alter this in the fitness app, but I keep forgetting to do this right away.

I have implemented this (and it is available in a beta version of the app) but I don't plan to release it until Apple have fixed a bug in watchOS whereby they do not calculate the estimated effort for workouts created by third party apps.

If you want to try the beta then please email me at info@workoutdoors.net

 

[Dovales]

Could it be possible to map the buttons according to the chosen activity? For example, I would like to use the action button during running activity to open the full map screen but during strength training I would like the action button to create a new interval.

 

[cfc]

Could it be possible to map the buttons according to the chosen activity? For example, I would like to use the action button during running activity to open the full map screen but during strength training I would like the action button to create a new interval.

The ability to configure the shortcuts on a per-activity basis is surprisingly rarely requested. I expected it to be a common request but hardly anyone has asked for it so it is only low down on my to-do list. Sorry about that.

 

[Legassov]

Hello cfc and fellow WOD users,
I am looking for guidance and feedback about using WOD for triahtlon training and race tracking.
Is there a feature to set-up the different sports (intervals?) under the same activity type, or anything similar?
I would like to avoid having to stop & start activities to switch from swimming to cycling and running, and also have some way to record the transition times.
If anyone has ever used WOD for triathlon, tips are welcome

 

[cfc]

Hello cfc and fellow WOD users,
I am looking for guidance and feedback about using WOD for triahtlon training and race tracking.
Is there a feature to set-up the different sports (intervals?) under the same activity type, or anything similar?
I would like to avoid having to stop & start activities to switch from swimming to cycling and running, and also have some way to record the transition times.
If anyone has ever used WOD for triathlon, tips are welcome

Multi-activity sports like triathlon are on my list of features to add, but are surprisingly rarely requested, and are therefore not high on the list. When I first wrote the app over 7 years ago I was expecting them to be one of the most requested features, but strangely they haven't been.

I will probably get around to adding them at some time, but at the moment I am focussed on more requested features (e.g. navigation improvements and then custom activities). Sorry about that.

 

[Legassov]

Multi-activity sports like triathlon are on my list of features to add, but are surprisingly rarely requested, and are therefore not high on the list. When I first wrote the app over 7 years ago I was expecting them to be one of the most requested features, but strangely they haven't been.

I will probably get around to adding them at some time, but at the moment I am focussed on more requested features (e.g. navigation improvements and then custom activities). Sorry about that.

Thanks for answering, makes sense!
I’ll be happy to test the feature out whenever you get to adding it.
In the meanwhile I will be trying the multisport option from the native Apple app. The only scary thing is that it only uses automatic transitions and I am not sure how reliably this works.

Edit: there actually is a manual transition option in the native app. Will try it out.