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All Devices WOW iOS 13 is a total letdown

fisherking said:
we're talking about GUI options (android has a lot of them), not dangerous hacks to apps, the OS. i mean.. removing the dock, customizing the look of the home screen (etc etc). am not suggesting apple let us do jalibreak'y things...
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what you are asking for is not unreasonable, standing alone. But given the sheer volume of changes made in iOS 13, Apple had to draw the line somewhere and I, personally, am happier seeing substantive as opposed to surficial changes. I like that my phone now suggests a wifi network as a notification or that I can swipe on the keyboard. Your changes would be nice, too, but I'd take the ones they made over the ones they didn't.

And you may disagree and that's fine.
 
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Honestly, I would have settled for just wrapping icons from the bottom not the top.
 
gwhizkids said:
what you are asking for is not unreasonable, standing alone. But given the sheer volume of changes made in iOS 13, Apple had to draw the line somewhere and I, personally, am happier seeing substantive as opposed to surficial changes. I like that my phone now suggests a wifi network as a notification or that I can swipe on the keyboard. Your changes would be nice, too, but I'd take the ones they made over the ones they didn't.

And you may disagree and that's fine.
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people have been asking for this kind of control since... forever (literally); it's not ios13 specific. i too care mostly about what happens under-the-hood; i want my apps, my device to work well. but it's still a shame that apple won't let us customize the look of our devices, make them ours...
 
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fisherking said:
people have been asking for this kind of control since... forever (literally); it's not ios13 specific. i too care mostly about what happens under-the-hood; i want my apps, my device to work well. but it's still a shame that apple won't let us customize the look of our devices, make them ours...
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I believe somewhere someone says rooting android becomes harder for various reasons. Here is one of them. https://www.androidcentral.com/why-it-so-hard-root-smartphone?amp
Some level of customisation also needs root access I believe.
Also, depend on how iOS is built from the start, Apple may have technologically and intentionally made the ability for user to move icons wherever they want increasingly difficult, even with jailbreak. Idk.
Maybe iOS 16 or 17 will finally allow user to move icons to wherever they want, but that would make iOS more like android from the first glance. I think Apple still wants to maintain some level of uniqueness in the surface to let their software more distinguishable.
Regarding the claim of “our own device” part, let me tell you, over time, the device we hold at hand may no longer be “ours” because of the frightening fact that both google and Apple can technically remotely brick your device without consent. Apple is trying to build a phone without any button. That means what? A software bug can easily render it unusable and user will have no way to reset it.
 
Shirasaki said:
I believe somewhere someone says rooting android becomes harder for various reasons. Here is one of them. https://www.androidcentral.com/why-it-so-hard-root-smartphone?amp
Some level of customisation also needs root access I believe.
Also, depend on how iOS is built from the start, Apple may have technologically and intentionally made the ability for user to move icons wherever they want increasingly difficult, even with jailbreak. Idk.
Maybe iOS 16 or 17 will finally allow user to move icons to wherever they want, but that would make iOS more like android from the first glance. I think Apple still wants to maintain some level of uniqueness in the surface to let their software more distinguishable.
Regarding the claim of “our own device” part, let me tell you, over time, the device we hold at hand may no longer be “ours” because of the frightening fact that both google and Apple can technically remotely brick your device without consent. Apple is trying to build a phone without any button. That means what? A software bug can easily render it unusable and user will have no way to reset it.
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i used to JB my phones (i stopped some years ago); it was.. daunting at times, mostly wonderful. my phone was so badass.. "level of uniqueness"? i disagree; everyone's iphone looks the same.

apple could give us a little; removing (or customizing) the dock, some customization of the home screen (why can't my clock be on the right? or show the weather?) why can't we have more icons on the screen if we want?


here's my iphone from six years ago (so much fun):
 
fisherking said:
"level of uniqueness"? i disagree; everyone's iphone looks the same.
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I am talking about iOS as a platform, its uniqueness against other platforms, or in today’s case, android.
As long as iOS stays its goal of building an iOS that everyone will know how to use, I don’t think customisation you want will come anytime soon.
Also your “more icons”, iOS 13 just have iPadOS. You can compare those icons with iOS 12 icons. Much smaller. Granted we can put more on one screen now, but I find myself taking longer to spot an icon within a folder than before. On iPhone, this could only go worse.
 
chrismichael83 said:
Wow, after that keynote I am totally let down by Apple for the last time. We were told last year that a refresh was supposed to be for iOS 12 but was pushed to iOS 13 to make room for performance improvements. Now that the keynote is over and the big takeaway is freaking Dark Mode, like that was the most requested item. No homescreen changes, no icon updates. Incoming calls still take up the whole phone as do Facetime calls. No multitasking on the Plus or Max iphones. Like they spent 20 mins are freaking Minecraft? The updated security Im sure is a welcome from the news of breaches. It says you can now sign in with Apple. Apple is just trying to hide the fact they wont be sharing with Google but they will still have access to peoples data. So for people to think they are safe from all tech companies then you must be blind. They finally added swipe to text. Android only has had that since day 1. Faster performance, like seriously, you build one of the fastest chips on the market and you are now only supporting 6s and up. Whos slow? The only thing keeping people on iphones is seriously iMessage. Seriously people know they have better features for the money on other phones like Samsung, Oneplus, etc yet your all now blinded that Apple is the best. Where is Jony Ive? Doesn't he still work at apple?
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I agree 100 percent.
 
Dark mode alone is enough for me lol. My iPhone long ago did everything I needed it to do. They could never change it again and i'd still be one happy camper.
 
I want pretty icons and screen design and no more than one hour battery life and at least 50% of apps lockup the phone.

If they changed home screen most would then complain about thst
 
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CTHarrryH said:
I want pretty icons and screen design and no more than one hour battery life and at least 50% of apps lockup the phone.

If they changed home screen most would then complain about thst
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"I just want the old way back. It should be an option. That's a totally reasonable ask. Apple doesn't listen"

But asking for both a change and an option is like the story of the rice and the chess board. One grain of rice on the first square. Totally reasonable. Two on the second. Absolutely fine. Four on the third. Dandy. By the time you follow that pattern to the end of the board you have 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of rice (options) weighing 210 billion tons (bloated code).
 
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Feenician said:
"I just want the old way back. It should be an option. That's a totally reasonable ask. Apple doesn't listen"

But asking for both a change and an option is like the story of the rice and the chess board. One grain of rice on the first square. Totally reasonable. Two on the second. Absolutely fine. Four on the third. Dandy. By the time you follow that pattern to the end of the board you have 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of rice (options) weighing 210 billion tons (bloated code).
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And iOS is not popular because of fancy icons and random home screen icon positions. Their claim-of-fame is stability and good optimisation, as well as overall ease of use. One more reason I like iOS more is I can enjoy apps/contents across multiple regions if I want, which is not that easy for google play store.

I’d argue this customisation thing is really not what iOS is made for.
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lsutigerfan1976 said:
I do that all the time. Post and never reply back to others. Some of us do have a life outside of MR. lol
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Yes. I am not arguing about that. I do this as well for my posts (much less popular). But given the popularity of this post, I point this out.
 
Shirasaki said:
And iOS is not popular because of fancy icons and random home screen icon positions. Their claim-of-fame is stability and good optimisation, as well as overall ease of use. One more reason I like iOS more is I can enjoy apps/contents across multiple regions if I want, which is not that easy for google play store.

I’d argue this customisation thing is really not what iOS is made for.
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For better or for worse Apple decide what features and how many belong in the OS. If you think the balance is more for the worse you have many other choices (all Android, but many flavors thereof). Slowly and surely Apple open up and add more while slowly but surely Google lock Android down features like "real file managers", aka unrestricted root file access, but often engineered poorly (look at what they've done with Android Q https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-storage-access-framework-scoped-storage/). Honestly seems like the OS' are going to meet in the middle at some point, one becoming progressively more open, and one less. It's an exercise for the reader to figure out which is which.
 
chrismichael83 said:
Wow, after that keynote I am totally let down by Apple for the last time. We were told last year that a refresh was supposed to be for iOS 12 but was pushed to iOS 13 to make room for performance improvements. Now that the keynote is over and the big takeaway is freaking Dark Mode, like that was the most requested item. No homescreen changes, no icon updates. Incoming calls still take up the whole phone as do Facetime calls. No multitasking on the Plus or Max iphones. Like they spent 20 mins are freaking Minecraft? The updated security Im sure is a welcome from the news of breaches. It says you can now sign in with Apple. Apple is just trying to hide the fact they wont be sharing with Google but they will still have access to peoples data. So for people to think they are safe from all tech companies then you must be blind. They finally added swipe to text. Android only has had that since day 1. Faster performance, like seriously, you build one of the fastest chips on the market and you are now only supporting 6s and up. Whos slow? The only thing keeping people on iphones is seriously iMessage. Seriously people know they have better features for the money on other phones like Samsung, Oneplus, etc yet your all now blinded that Apple is the best. Where is Jony Ive? Doesn't he still work at apple?
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You should just get an Android phone, I think you'll be much happier.
 
It's a power user upgrade, most of the feature are aimed to a mature audience, best iOS release ever for me, worst for you...maybe time to same some bucks and buy an Android so you can change icons once a week? I heard there is a pokemon skin
 
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PJivan said:
It's a power user upgrade, most of the feature are aimed to a mature audience, best iOS release ever for me, worst for you...maybe time to same some bucks and buy an Android so you can change icons once a week? I heard there is a pokemon skin
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That last comment really necessary?

Why are his wants less valid than yours?
 
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