OK. Might be the retina display then. I'm on a '11 Mini with a non-Apple, non-retina display.
Maybe the UI isn't optimized yet.
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Yosemite looks terrible!
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Maybe the UI isn't optimized yet.
Correct. But I hadn't thought about that. Back in the day when I had a 1Tb drive instead of the 128Gb SSD like now, my iTunes library would have been on that drive.
And I would have cloned it before the upgrade and clone it back if I wanted to revert. Never would have seen the issue.
you know there's an option to show full URLs now, right?
you're using a beta my friend.
and simply showing the homepage url works for the majority of users. there are always other options for browsers if you don't like the default.
i don't imagine many people use window and are upset when they find internet explorer is crap. they don't bat an eyelash and download chrome.
EDIT: whoever is saying you're angry and crazy is pushing it. your post was straightforward and logical.
but I will maintain that Yosemite will likely get better and more suited to you as it gets out of beta. the option to show full address URLs in safari that is now available is an example. Surely there will be extensions in the future that bring titles back if Safari itself doesn't provide the option.
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i open the notification center (for the first time ever actually) to see they conveniently have the weather (it was an ugly day), calendar events (i have none) and my stocks all quoted out. Wow, AAPL is up! Except it is in some lime green and the text telling me by how much is bright white and impossibly thin and the exact same brightness as the green around it. Here I am a mid aged man with good eyesight squinting to read the text on my 27" LED Cinema Display. Should this be happening I had to ask myself?
The content was a great idea, the colors and font were obviously not. How could that make sense to anyone? It isn't really even an argument, just common sense. I don't mind removing 'realism' from the interface but then again I didn't hate it either but when your sales line is getting out of the way of the information we now have to be immediately aware of everywhere (might be the last time i open the notification center actually because i already knew the weather and my events and stock) then give me legible text in a color i don't need to strain my eyes and get a headache looking at. It isn't even a question of fashion. Basic usability should prevail.
Simple test... look at the following image for half a second and tell me what is the number in the third green box? Don't cheat and squint or look twice or for longer then half a second. Now do the same with the second image and tell me which was easier?
They updated notification center since that pic... they replaced the grey text with white text. On a retina display I can read that just perfectly fine. They need a bold text option for non-retina displays is enabled by default.
While I think that the default Yosemite skin is basically Technicolor cartoon crap, I like the look of the Notification center. I want a "dark mode" like that for Yosemite so I don't have to apologize to the world for how piss poor OS X looks.
That would be nice, having a real dark theme, rather than just 'dark mode', which comes off as being a nasty afterthought...
From the end of a bug report I submitted the three days ago which had to do with white background, dark mode and appearance: graphite
I think dark mode would be lovely if the drop down menus for the menu bar and the context menus for the dock used the same color and transparency of the current notification center, and the new updated volume/brightness controls.
As for the dock I wonder how itd look with the background removed, give the icons a slight shadow and update the open applications indicator. For a new indicator or just the dock in general think how a spotlight works. Theres on and off, one light one dark, highlights and shadows. Think of light bulbs theyre transparent when off and become more visually solid when on. Example how the Apple logo on the back of the Retina MacBook Pro works. Implementing the hardware with the software and the software with the hardware. Simply complex yet complexly simple.
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Im all for change in fact I don't think change happens fast enough but what matters more to me is commonsense and consistency. Since this is a big change with the GUI and is still in beta voice your thoughts, send feedback if there's something you like or don't like. Just don't assume that since Yosemite's in beta that the GM will all of a sudden look all nice and polished. In theory operating systems are always in beta. A constant version of past current and future progressions.
I think dark mode would be lovely if the drop down menus for the menu bar and the context menus for the dock used the same color and transparency of the current notification center, and the new updated volume/brightness controls.
As for the dock I wonder how itd look with the background removed, give the icons a slight shadow and update the open applications indicator. For a new indicator or just the dock in general think how a spotlight works. Theres on and off, one light one dark, highlights and shadows. Think of light bulbs theyre transparent when off and become more visually solid when on. Example how the Apple logo on the back of the Retina MacBook Pro works. Implementing the hardware with the software and the software with the hardware. Simply complex yet complexly simple.
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The Menu Item Separator is thicker than any other separator in Yosemite.
When installing Yosemite have Yosemite check for a retina display if detected the default System font will be Helvetica. If no retina display is detected the default System font will be Lucida Grande.
Add option to System Preferences / General / System Font: with the option to select either Helvetica or Lucida Grande.
Allow Display increase contrast without auto enabling reduce transparency.
Tags menu Items take up a lot of space.
Ability to change the + windows size from fullscreen to maximize without needing to option click.
Finder Icon should be rectangle as it flows with folders which are rectangle and documents and files in general.
Back and Forward Navigation Buttons should be a single button like the previous versions of os x. They look out of place and dont flow with the rest of Yosemite.
Change the color of the current over saturated blue folder icons. The point I want to make here is (consistency and well thought out) that in previous versions of os x the color of the folder icons looked fantastic with both Blue and Graphite appearance modes.
Back and forward in finder should work with the Trackpad Gestures like how they do in safari (continuity)
Add option to Show/hide Spotlight icon in menu bar.
Add option to Show/hide Notifications icon in menu bar.
Allow native resolution for Retina Macbook Pros and future devices to have retina displays.
Retina Displays need a Display Menu Extra to quickly change resolutions.
Energy Saver add option to exclusively use the integrated gpu for BEST battery life. There needs to be an option to only use of the integrated gpu for MacBook Airs and Pros.
Please Fix Permission bug (I have seen since Mountain Lion) Sloppy take some pride in ones work.
When installing Yosemite have Yosemite check for a retina display if detected the default System font will be Helvetica. If no retina display is detected the default System font will be Lucida Grande.
Add option to System Preferences / General / System Font: with the option to select either Helvetica or Lucida Grande.
Allow Display increase contrast without auto enabling reduce transparency.
Tags menu Items take up a lot of space.
Ability to change the + windows size from fullscreen to maximize without needing to option click.
Finder Icon should be rectangle as it flows with folders which are rectangle and documents and files in general.
Back and Forward Navigation Buttons should be a single button like the previous versions of os x. They look out of place and dont flow with the rest of Yosemite.
Change the color of the current over saturated blue folder icons. The point I want to make here is (consistency and well thought out) that in previous versions of os x the color of the folder icons looked fantastic with both Blue and Graphite appearance modes.
Back and forward in finder should work with the Trackpad Gestures like how they do in safari (continuity)
Add option to Show/hide Spotlight icon in menu bar.
Add option to Show/hide Notifications icon in menu bar.
Allow native resolution for Retina Macbook Pros and future devices to have retina displays.
Retina Displays need a Display Menu Extra to quickly change resolutions.
Energy Saver add option to exclusively use the integrated gpu for BEST battery life. There needs to be an option to only use of the integrated gpu for MacBook Airs and Pros.
Please Fix Permission bug (I have seen since Mountain Lion) Sloppy take some pride in ones work.
Group differs on Library/Printers/InstalledPrinters.plist; should be 80; group is 0.
Permissions differ on Library/Printers/InstalledPrinters.plist; should be -rw-rw-rw- ; they are -rw-r--r .
Permissions differ on Library/Printers/InstalledPrinters.plist; should be -rw-rw-rw- ; they are -rw-r--r .
It was rumored that Apple jumped into this dark theme far into the development process, which was why we didn't have a proper dark mode for a few betas. I'm not sure there is a dark mode API for developers.
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People thought OS X looked "piss poor" before. Same goes for iOS. A lot of people like/don't care about the look of iOS 7. Some dislike it, yet they still sold a record number of iPhone 5s....
So the best you can do is suggest Apple change things. You'll have more luck with smaller changes than with larger.
Never, before Yosemite, have I seen so much drastically wrong with a pre-release.
Apple had not just months, it had years to prepare human interface guidelines (HIG) for itself before seeding the first developer preview.
I would not say zero consistency, or amateurish, but to me the inconsistencies suggest:
- lack of due care and attention in the years that preceded the first developer preview of Yosemite; and/or
- wilful ignorance of logic, and of previously superior guidelines, in a misguided drive to present novelties that are somewhat inferior.
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An emphatic +1 to all of that.
What things might explain but not excuse the puzzling state of Yosemite?
Some thoughts.
If you were to attempt to rewrite the current human interface guidelines to reflect Yosemite in its current state it would be impossible to do so in a coherent way. In each of the five previews, each one in isolation, there have been too many inconsistencies.
Maybe I'm wrong; maybe Apple's draft HIG for Yosemite were unmistakably clear and consistent long before the first developer preview was seen. If that's true, then how can we explain the inconsistent ways in which that draft is interpreted by developers of Apple apps?
Maybe the sanest and strongest-willed developers are unwilling and/or unable to produce an app that can be compliant with that draft in its entirety. That's good.
More than good; it's essential to have some sanity and strength of will.
Maybe it's impossible to comply with the guidelines in their entirety. If so, that's a terrible sign.
Will the pockets of sanity within Apple, and amongst seed testers, avert an Apple Vista that may cause irreparable damage to the company's reputation for producing the best? Let's hope so.
I want the best OS on my Mac.
I do not want cod.
Proxy icon menus
That's probably a favicon, we might say that its function is to offer a visual hint.
A proxy icon is quite different. Whilst the icon is not apparent in the title bar in Safari in Mavericks, the menu does appear in the normal way.
With http:// and https:// content:
With file:// content such as web archive (.webarchive), HTML and text files:
And so on.
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Many users will be unaware of proxy icon menu functionality. The absence of those functions from Safari would not stop me from using Yosemite.
However: for me, titles are essential. Abandonment of titles is a showstopper. An awful precedent.
If Apple can fix Yosemite, to show titles in their proper places (the tops of windows) in apps where titles have value, then it will make sense to also not lose the proxy icon menu from apps such as Safari.
That's probably a favicon, we might say that its function is to offer a visual hint.
A proxy icon is quite different. Whilst the icon is not apparent in the title bar in Safari in Mavericks, the menu does appear in the normal way.
With http:// and https:// content:
- Command-click, then Command-click the required address; Safari opens a tab to that address.
With file:// content such as web archive (.webarchive), HTML and text files:
- Command-click, then command click the required path; Finder presents a window to that folder.
And so on.
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Many users will be unaware of proxy icon menu functionality. The absence of those functions from Safari would not stop me from using Yosemite.
However: for me, titles are essential. Abandonment of titles is a showstopper. An awful precedent.
If Apple can fix Yosemite, to show titles in their proper places (the tops of windows) in apps where titles have value, then it will make sense to also not lose the proxy icon menu from apps such as Safari.
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Yosemite, in my opinion, looks as good for it's time as OS X Tiger did, aka beautiful.
I didn't like when Apple transitioned to 3D everything starting with Leopard.
I didn't like when Apple transitioned to 3D everything starting with Leopard.
Major lack of consistency in Yosemite's UI, a shame... that attention to detail is all but gone from Apple's software nowadays
Major lack of consistency in Yosemite's UI, a shame... that attention to detail is all but gone from Apple's software nowadays
Have some before and after examples?
Inconsistencies: the Feedback Assistant example
First example:
http://osxdaily.com/2014/07/28/send-apple-feedback-about-os-x-yosemite/
Why is the title bar present in only some windows?
Is the interface of that untitled window consistent with the interface of an untitled window of any other app?
First example:
http://osxdaily.com/2014/07/28/send-apple-feedback-about-os-x-yosemite/
Why is the title bar present in only some windows?
Is the interface of that untitled window consistent with the interface of an untitled window of any other app?
Because it makes more sense for some windows and less for others. Yosemite APIs allow you to merge your title bar and your tool bar if you wish. E.g. Calendars or Contacts does not need a title bar, while its arguably more useful for a text editor. I agree that iTunes 12 looks are inconsistent, it should look more like Safari.
I don't understand why people car so much about having titles in places where it doesn't add value. Not all apps need title bars in my opinion. I'm not saying people are wrong to dislike Yosemite, but I think most people's "evidence" for it being bad are far fetched rationalizations.
I think the consistency argument is not a very well thought out one.
I think the consistency argument is not a very well thought out one.
The allowance is misused by Apple.
Look at this naturally occurring Yosemite mess. One hundred percent Apple, by design. From top:
- the functional menu bar
- some functional title bars
- a bar that fails to show the title of the titled thing that I was editing
- a partial bar with nothing to the right, apparently with Apple content as a header but that header is totally unrelated to what's below:
If a group was to design a desktop environment from scratch, would it be logical to design things in a way that allows such a crappy mashed-up overall appearance?
It stinks, it stinks of change for the sake of change.
The appearance is certainly novel, but it's far less clear; far less functional.
There are far worse examples. (I was reluctant to share what's above because I had seen no publicly shared screenshots of Feedback Assistant. Since OSXDaily has shared shots of the app, I'm sharing still, some blurring is appropriate.)
Please know that there is nothing contrived about the shot above.
Fugly messes such as that could not occur with the same apps in Mavericks.
You do realise that Yosemite is still a whole 2 months away from prime time, right?
Keep hammering away at Apple via Feedback Assistant
Ok, the only example I can see you showing is the Feedback Assistant. I can't comment on that, because I am not in the Beta program so I can't even start that application. And your screenshot is not really clear. To be frank, I also don't care about Feedback Assistant, because its a one-time app and if it sucks, then let it. If you have some other examples which clarify your point (maybe using standard Yosemite apps), I would be very interested in seeing them.
In the meantime, I must say that — in my eyes — apps like Safari, Reminders, Calendar, Contacts, Messages, FaceTime, Notes, Finder and Apple Mail are 100% consistent. Some have a title bar (if the title bar can show meaningful information), some have title bar integrated into the toolbar (if there is a toolbar), some have quite clear multi-panel design where the title bar is completely absent and the window control buttons are integrated into one of the panels. Very consistent.
I am not super fond of iTunes, as already mentioned, because the control buttons are weird. And apps like Terminal are in a dire need of update, because they don't fit well with 10.10
Yosemite looks not terrible, yosemite looks beautiful
I think you're confusing a nice backdrop with the GUI itself.
Interestingly, the font seems to 'change' a bit when translucency of the menubar is turned off. In fact in Dark Mode, the fonts return to being readable. When translucency is turned on, they get difficult to read again. Non-retina MBP.
But with translucency turned off, it gets a bit tacky in other places. For example, the volume bar on the menubar.
But with translucency turned off, it gets a bit tacky in other places. For example, the volume bar on the menubar.
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Each one of those three apps may appear beautiful in isolation, or where all windows are separated.
Separated; alongside each other, or above and below. So for example, re-using someone else's shots:
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What happens when a title bar, untitled toolbar or titled toolbar of something appears above something that has no apparent border?
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The examples involving Feedback Assistant were naturally occurring.
I don't have Yosemite on my laptop and so (with apologies) the image below is a mock-up, with more exaggeration than I would have liked (no shadows, and so on). Hopefully people can get the idea
It's not easy to identify two of the apps.
Does anything in Yosemite prevent arrangements such as this?
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