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Yosemite looks terrible!
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To me, it just looks like a very simplistic phone OS. That is not a compliment btw. I do not love the looks, nor even like them... at all. But I could live with them. I am however severely disappointed in the overall lack of responsiveness on my system with Yosemite. It's just very slow in so many ways. For some reason, my Plex server has taken the biggest hit of all.
Having said all that, I do like the new functionality. They've definitely done very well here, as was expected. I feel like I will come back to Yosemite after a few updates, but for now, going back to Mavericks via clean install is in process.
Having said all that, I do like the new functionality. They've definitely done very well here, as was expected. I feel like I will come back to Yosemite after a few updates, but for now, going back to Mavericks via clean install is in process.
Hey, can you show how it appears in tabs of Safari when there are more than a few tabs open? Thanks.
I guess, partly to avoid duplicate/triplicate topics. And so that likers/lovers of the looks don't rush to argue in the 'looks terrible!' topic without realising that they can (more easily) agree in a 'beautiful' topic. (With the natural prominence of this topic around this time, the 'beautiful' topic was too easily falling out of sight. Many posters are too excited to search before posting …)
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Wasn't aware of that, but everyone should expect that issues may arise during upgrades. Thats why you should always back up before performing a software upgrade, to protect yourself from that.
That said, I did not experience that issue and have thankfully never had to use my backups.
But I don't think the upgrade process is what you use to label an OS as stable or unstable.
EDIT: Nevermind I see the guest login bug...
Still though, I thought it was universally accepted as the most stable release, I certainly thought it was nearly flawless.
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really i figured it out from some people helping in the system pref. but still if thats what reduce transparency does then why have that. maybe it helps somewhere but when it hinders others that's a no in my book.
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I registered on this forum just to write about this.
A few years ago I bought a Mac for iOS development, and slowly started liking it more and more. I moved my mail, documents, etc. over to Mac from Windows and it's taken over as my main OS.
I lost interest in mobile after iOS 7 was released. I still have my old iPhone 4, and if it ever breaks I don't think I will be interested in any smart phone. They just made it too offensively ugly.
Now the same thing is happening to Mac. I've been using Yosemite for a day, which is more than I need to tell whether I like or hate something. Apple no longer has good UI design, it's that simple. They're just as bad as Windows, Linux, or any of the various Chinese hardware manufacturers. No taste at all, but they still have the attitude.
I'm rolling back to Mavericks right now. If my Mac ever breaks I doubt I will buy another one. I might as well use Windows at that point, because the UI is just as ugly and blindingly white.
It's been fun, Mac, but you just let yourself go and you're not hot anymore.
A few years ago I bought a Mac for iOS development, and slowly started liking it more and more. I moved my mail, documents, etc. over to Mac from Windows and it's taken over as my main OS.
I lost interest in mobile after iOS 7 was released. I still have my old iPhone 4, and if it ever breaks I don't think I will be interested in any smart phone. They just made it too offensively ugly.
Now the same thing is happening to Mac. I've been using Yosemite for a day, which is more than I need to tell whether I like or hate something. Apple no longer has good UI design, it's that simple. They're just as bad as Windows, Linux, or any of the various Chinese hardware manufacturers. No taste at all, but they still have the attitude.
I'm rolling back to Mavericks right now. If my Mac ever breaks I doubt I will buy another one. I might as well use Windows at that point, because the UI is just as ugly and blindingly white.
It's been fun, Mac, but you just let yourself go and you're not hot anymore.
Human Interface Guide for Yosemite
There was a lot of discussion early on in this thread about deviation from or adherence to the Apple Human Interface Guide, but all we had were documents up to Mavericks.
Well Apple published the following, for Yosemite.
https://developer.apple.com/library...lines/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000957
You may need a developer login to open this URL, I assume most here do. Anyway, I hope this gives a better insight into the reasoning behind all these changes.
I am not so hot on a lot of decisions Apple made with UI design in Yosemite but I am glad Apple still has the discipline to document their reasoning and give guidance to developers.
So enjoy. Its a lot to digest.
There was a lot of discussion early on in this thread about deviation from or adherence to the Apple Human Interface Guide, but all we had were documents up to Mavericks.
Well Apple published the following, for Yosemite.
https://developer.apple.com/library...lines/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000957
You may need a developer login to open this URL, I assume most here do. Anyway, I hope this gives a better insight into the reasoning behind all these changes.
I am not so hot on a lot of decisions Apple made with UI design in Yosemite but I am glad Apple still has the discipline to document their reasoning and give guidance to developers.
So enjoy. Its a lot to digest.
What is there to digest anyway...? It's just Apple's convenient game to change the rules and shut the detractors up... Like you succinctly put it, to change from deviation to adherence... It's nothing but a bunch of "you should do this" and "you should do that"...
I know, I saw that. I have pretty good eyes but really?
Go look at the text at the bottom of the Apple homepage, the copyright text, its so light. I don't like that either, but it seems they practice what they preach.
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Yup, you got it, if you intend to develop on Apple, these are your marching orders. For now.
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If we're adding *'s then I'll just say this.... Sweet ********** Christ!!! Where did I try to change YOUR opinion? I stated that I find it hideous looking and that we shouldn't need to be told to adjust to something and we'll eventually "come around to liking it". When did I try to change what you thought of it? I couldn't give 2 craps what your thoughts of it are.
I've now added the CORRECT system font back along with adding the better looking old Mavericks & iOS 6 icons to improve the look a little bit but it still looks absolutely disgusting.
And as an added bonus I see one of my biggest peeves from iOS 7 & iOS 8 have now made it's way to Yosemite too (fantastic)! Every time I reboot my phone I have to go in and reset all my notifications because they reset their order to the default and resets everything back to "banner" notifications instead of the "alerts" that I set them to.
Yosemite is now doing this as well. Every time I reboot the Mac I now have to go into the notifications and change it from "By Time" back to "Manually", reorder everything in the list to the order I want them listed, and then change them all back from "banners" to "alerts". Why does Apple insist on using banners? Absolutely useless. And yes I have gone to the Apple site & notified them of the issue.
Then revert to 10.6 no one is forcing you to use the most feature filled OSX. You can always use 10.6, despite how damn ugly it is.
Loving Yosemite after initially hating on it - it's like OS X has been dialed back to the time all the crazy stitching and other iOS6 skeumorphic stuff was added and completely refined. It's how OS X should have developed. Seems like the minimal look is now back on track.
Yosemite
I upgraded and have grown to like it. When I was a child, I only liked Chocolate ice cream - now that I have experienced 82 years I have branched out to like more flavors. The same with a new OS system - it sort of grows on you, so that when the next iteration of the OS arrives, you will probably say 'the old Yosemite OS was a whole lot better!'.
I upgraded and have grown to like it. When I was a child, I only liked Chocolate ice cream - now that I have experienced 82 years I have branched out to like more flavors. The same with a new OS system - it sort of grows on you, so that when the next iteration of the OS arrives, you will probably say 'the old Yosemite OS was a whole lot better!'.
Ugly Fonts, Terrible Design, Eye Strain
I'm a lifelong Apple user, and I'm sorry, this is the worst OS Apple has ever released. Ives may be a wonderful industrial designer, but he's proven he knows nothing about UI design. Helvetica, a typeface designed almost sixty years ago for print purposes, has no business being used on-screen in a user interface. There are expert type designers out there who develop typefaces specifically for screen use. Why not license one of those?
I'm sure this OS looks "beautiful" on Retina displays, but I'm a Mac Pro user who doesn't use a Retina display for my work? Why? Because Apple released a Mac Pro without a monitor to go with it. So I'm using an outdated Thunderbolt display.
The sidebar in Safari has some of the most blurry, jagged text this side of Windows XP. I feel like I've rolled back to the mid-90s. The menu fonts look smudged and blurry. Throughout the fonts are either jagged and too dark, or way too light too even read. I've only been using the OS for two days, and I'm suffering eye strain.
I'm not usually one to complain about icons, but who designed these things? First year design interns? There's no consistencysome icons are cartoonish and flat (Safari, Messages) while others are 3D (Settings).
Transparency is pointless, and makes all of the windows look dull and washed-out, further reducing the legibility of the type.
The system itself is fast and responsive, and there are only a few minor bugs which I'm sure will be worked out, but the primary thrust of this update seems to have been the design, which is just horrible.
I rarely if ever jump on message boards to complain about things, but I need to vent. I will probably roll back to Mavericks.
I'm a lifelong Apple user, and I'm sorry, this is the worst OS Apple has ever released. Ives may be a wonderful industrial designer, but he's proven he knows nothing about UI design. Helvetica, a typeface designed almost sixty years ago for print purposes, has no business being used on-screen in a user interface. There are expert type designers out there who develop typefaces specifically for screen use. Why not license one of those?
I'm sure this OS looks "beautiful" on Retina displays, but I'm a Mac Pro user who doesn't use a Retina display for my work? Why? Because Apple released a Mac Pro without a monitor to go with it. So I'm using an outdated Thunderbolt display.
The sidebar in Safari has some of the most blurry, jagged text this side of Windows XP. I feel like I've rolled back to the mid-90s. The menu fonts look smudged and blurry. Throughout the fonts are either jagged and too dark, or way too light too even read. I've only been using the OS for two days, and I'm suffering eye strain.
I'm not usually one to complain about icons, but who designed these things? First year design interns? There's no consistencysome icons are cartoonish and flat (Safari, Messages) while others are 3D (Settings).
Transparency is pointless, and makes all of the windows look dull and washed-out, further reducing the legibility of the type.
The system itself is fast and responsive, and there are only a few minor bugs which I'm sure will be worked out, but the primary thrust of this update seems to have been the design, which is just horrible.
I rarely if ever jump on message boards to complain about things, but I need to vent. I will probably roll back to Mavericks.
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Thanks for your post. I couldn't agree more.
For me, it's the most frustrating OS X upgrade ever. Even worse than Lion which was really bad indeed. I'm an Mac user since 2007 and therefore started with OS X Tiger.
Try this simple method:
https://github.com/jenskutilek/FiraSystemFontReplacement
Just copy these fonts on Library/Fonts. Huge difference for me.
https://github.com/jenskutilek/FiraSystemFontReplacement
Just copy these fonts on Library/Fonts. Huge difference for me.
Thanks, but do you have other fonts...? These are even harder to read on my non-retina screen...
I assume yours is a retina display...?
I want the 3-D dock back
Hi Everyone,
One of the things I love about Mavericks is the 3-D dock and buttons.
Well I found an open source program that lets you get that 3-D dock back and it's even semi transparent.
I used cdock.
You can get it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdock/
I would like to find something similar to getting the 3-D buttons back. If anyone knows of an open source app like cdock for the buttons, please post the link.
I attached a photo showing the 3-D dock.
Truly,
Emad
Hi Everyone,
One of the things I love about Mavericks is the 3-D dock and buttons.
Well I found an open source program that lets you get that 3-D dock back and it's even semi transparent.
I used cdock.
You can get it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdock/
I would like to find something similar to getting the 3-D buttons back. If anyone knows of an open source app like cdock for the buttons, please post the link.
I attached a photo showing the 3-D dock.
Truly,
Emad
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