Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you and the developers whoever they are for doing this.
There may be ways to turn Yosemite into an adult-looking OS yet.
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Yosemite looks terrible!
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Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you and the developers whoever they are for doing this.
There may be ways to turn Yosemite into an adult-looking OS yet.
I actually like Helvetica Neue (regular) and use it in some of my apps, but system wide and the use of a lighter and thinner font is awful on my non-retina mid 2012 MBP that I bought early 2013! I can barely read the Safari favourites bar and the Mail app "To" section is so tiny! Can I increase the size....NO.
I'm sure it looks fabulous on retina displays. Apple pushing Helvetica Neue system wide and knowing quite well what it would do on non-retina displays is maddening, but why should they care what the average consumer thinks......hell, they made something like $42.1 billion last quarter, so what do they care about average joes like us. We just have to eat it up.
The drop down menus are tiny, not crisp, the notification counter on my dock is a red blob. So I tried different setting tips: ticked off LCD font (didn't work), turned off translucency, ticked increase contrast, but the latter two settings grossed out my dock and really didn't help that much in readability. I did use the cdock app and that fixed my dock thankfully because I couldn't live with that eyesore.
It's funny/sad because the same thing happened on my devices when iOS 7 came out....turn off translucency, turn on increased contrast...yes, this must be a joke and Apple doesn't give a crap and keeps moving along with visions of $$ signs for the shareholders.
I'm not a fan of all the whiteness in Yosemite. I like some of the new features in Yosemite and I can live with most of the UI changes forced upon us, but to not allow a user to pick a different system font or make a few changes that doesn't affect the rest of system is so frustrating.
The whole problem with Yosemite is that it is geared for retina screens and screw the non retina screens. I found threads from June 2014 where beta testers complained about the legibility of Helvettica Neue and Apple's choice of that font system wide. That obviously fell on deaf ears.
Bottom line is....I'm considering downgrading back to Mavericks until this is fixed because legibility issues is affecting my work, but I forgot to download the Mavericks installer before installing Yosemite and it's gone from the Canada App Store.....great! I do have a SuperDuper back-up but I'm not sure if I need a Mavericks installer. I really don't trust Apple with updates anymore.
I'm sure it looks fabulous on retina displays. Apple pushing Helvetica Neue system wide and knowing quite well what it would do on non-retina displays is maddening, but why should they care what the average consumer thinks......hell, they made something like $42.1 billion last quarter, so what do they care about average joes like us. We just have to eat it up.
The drop down menus are tiny, not crisp, the notification counter on my dock is a red blob. So I tried different setting tips: ticked off LCD font (didn't work), turned off translucency, ticked increase contrast, but the latter two settings grossed out my dock and really didn't help that much in readability. I did use the cdock app and that fixed my dock thankfully because I couldn't live with that eyesore.
It's funny/sad because the same thing happened on my devices when iOS 7 came out....turn off translucency, turn on increased contrast...yes, this must be a joke and Apple doesn't give a crap and keeps moving along with visions of $$ signs for the shareholders.
I'm not a fan of all the whiteness in Yosemite. I like some of the new features in Yosemite and I can live with most of the UI changes forced upon us, but to not allow a user to pick a different system font or make a few changes that doesn't affect the rest of system is so frustrating.
The whole problem with Yosemite is that it is geared for retina screens and screw the non retina screens. I found threads from June 2014 where beta testers complained about the legibility of Helvettica Neue and Apple's choice of that font system wide. That obviously fell on deaf ears.
Bottom line is....I'm considering downgrading back to Mavericks until this is fixed because legibility issues is affecting my work, but I forgot to download the Mavericks installer before installing Yosemite and it's gone from the Canada App Store.....great! I do have a SuperDuper back-up but I'm not sure if I need a Mavericks installer. I really don't trust Apple with updates anymore.
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Go to the purchases tab on the app store app. The Mavericks installer was there for me.
Holy crap even they admit it rofl
It's funny because when I look at retina screens running Mavericks, Lucida Grande looks almost identical to how it does on non-retina. Apple went out of there way to pick a font that screwed over the majority of Mac users
A review: mainly Apple Human Interface Guidelines, a little more about Steve Jobs
Apologies for the length of this post. Reviewing some key points from the past two or three months.
Apple Human Interface Guidelines (HIG)
At the time of the first public beta:
The new OS X Human Interface Guidelines
Thanks. The first incoherences were easy to find misunderstanding/misinterpretation of basic HTML by Apple, and so on. In response to a complaint, on Twitter, about Apple's BS in the new HIG:
Emphatically: no!
Critically: where the novel appearance is applied, there are inconsistencies. A day after OS X 10.10 was released, someone with good knowledge of Apple Macs, in particular observed (without reference to HIG) that with Yosemite, Apple's signals to developers lack the clarity of past signals with the "combined title bar and toolbar area" (I must use that phrase loosely) as one of two prominent examples.
Side note: I don't know when, if ever, I'll read the Ars Technica review in its entirety. I read only around a quarter, relating to my interests (no need to read in detail about new features and so on; I'll rarely touch Yosemite).
Freedom of interpretation is no bad thing. Be kind to developers, and so on.
I must be harsh about the apparent degradation in quality of Apple Human Interface Guidelines.
Lack of clarity; lack of consistency; freedom of interpretation; trendiness; freshness and novelty but (from Apple) maybe no modernity to the design; extraordinarily negative reactions from some customers; and so on what will result from that combination of things?
There is less consistency in the looks of Yosemite than in the looks of Mavericks.
Sorry, there's great disagreement on that point.
I can not imagine that the 'old' Apple would have allowed something so generally mashed-up as Yosemite to be released.
Realising beauty, finding pleasure in the things that preceded Yosemite
I used Mac OS X 10.6.8 for a while today, at an iMac that can't run Lion. I find the appearance of Snow Leopard extremely pleasant. The same is true for all versions of Mac OS X (including OS X) before Yosemite. And I can't remember hating anything about the looks of Apple operating systems on Macs in the Motorola era.
Tepid, maybe.
More reflection on the Steve Jobs era
Complaints a new era for Apple?
Continuing that subject: Pre-Launch Adoption of OS X Yosemite 33 Times Higher Than for Mavericks discussion there includes post-launch observations (more to follow).
I wonder about levels of satisfaction a year or so from now
Apologies for the length of this post. Reviewing some key points from the past two or three months.
Apple Human Interface Guidelines (HIG)
At the time of the first public beta:
If you were to attempt to rewrite the current human interface guidelines to reflect Yosemite in its current state it would be impossible to do so in a coherent way.
too many inconsistencies.
The new OS X Human Interface Guidelines
Thanks. The first incoherences were easy to find misunderstanding/misinterpretation of basic HTML by Apple, and so on. In response to a complaint, on Twitter, about Apple's BS in the new HIG:
as someone said, the Apple HIG reads more like an explanation or excuse than a logical process that led to Yosemite
Emphatically: no!
Critically: where the novel appearance is applied, there are inconsistencies. A day after OS X 10.10 was released, someone with good knowledge of Apple Macs, in particular observed (without reference to HIG) that with Yosemite, Apple's signals to developers lack the clarity of past signals with the "combined title bar and toolbar area" (I must use that phrase loosely) as one of two prominent examples.
Side note: I don't know when, if ever, I'll read the Ars Technica review in its entirety. I read only around a quarter, relating to my interests (no need to read in detail about new features and so on; I'll rarely touch Yosemite).
the devil is in detail
To sum it up, I don't really see any reason to claim that Yosemite's design violates the fundamental UI principles which have been adopted by Apple. One could argue
Design is a formal system while principles are formal constraints. While there obviously is some freedom in interpreting
Freedom of interpretation is no bad thing. Be kind to developers, and so on.
I must be harsh about the apparent degradation in quality of Apple Human Interface Guidelines.
Lack of clarity; lack of consistency; freedom of interpretation; trendiness; freshness and novelty but (from Apple) maybe no modernity to the design; extraordinarily negative reactions from some customers; and so on what will result from that combination of things?
There is less consistency in the looks of Yosemite than in the looks of Mavericks.
Sorry, there's great disagreement on that point.
I can not imagine that the 'old' Apple would have allowed something so generally mashed-up as Yosemite to be released.
Realising beauty, finding pleasure in the things that preceded Yosemite
I used Mac OS X 10.6.8 for a while today, at an iMac that can't run Lion. I find the appearance of Snow Leopard extremely pleasant. The same is true for all versions of Mac OS X (including OS X) before Yosemite. And I can't remember hating anything about the looks of Apple operating systems on Macs in the Motorola era.
Tepid, maybe.
grahamperrin said:
More reflection on the Steve Jobs era
Complaints a new era for Apple?
Continuing that subject: Pre-Launch Adoption of OS X Yosemite 33 Times Higher Than for Mavericks discussion there includes post-launch observations (more to follow).
I wonder about levels of satisfaction a year or so from now
First impressions? I went googling for "does anyone else hate how cartoonish yosemite is" and, of course, I got hits for Yosemite Sam! Kinda ironic.
Really dislike how they've simplified the graphics - both the icons as well as the control buttons. It's lost some elegance.
Looking forward to many of the other features winning me over.
Kinda ironic.Really dislike how they've simplified the graphics - both the icons as well as the control buttons. It's lost some elegance.
Looking forward to many of the other features winning me over.
Sorry, you posted to the wrong thread. You should have posted this in the "Yosemite is Beautiful" thread, at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1757644/
There are instructions in the README:
Open up a new folder. Copy your favorite fonts to that folder. Rename them as:
FiraSystemFontReplacement-Bold.otf
FiraSystemFontReplacement-Book.otf
FiraSystemFontReplacement-Medium.otf
Copy the 3 font files into the Library/Fonts folder inside your user folder. If your library folder is invisible, use the menu command "Go to folder" in your user folder and enter "Library/Fonts".
You may have to log out and in again in order to see the change take effect.
I obviously didn't see that...
My mistakes... Sorry...
And thanks...
EDIT: Font file renaming above didn't work for me...
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so it's optimised for a retina display but apple don't make any apart from their ios devices and that 5k monster ?
great !
so where does that leave us mere mortals !?!?!
my mac mini connected to a sony tv looks terrible , i cant make anything out at all , everything is washed out and the buttons on safari and finder are virtually invisible !
any idea how to get things looking like they were on 10.9 !?!?
edit - things look a bit better with sharpness turned right down on the tv..
great !
so where does that leave us mere mortals !?!?!
my mac mini connected to a sony tv looks terrible , i cant make anything out at all , everything is washed out and the buttons on safari and finder are virtually invisible !
any idea how to get things looking like they were on 10.9 !?!?
edit - things look a bit better with sharpness turned right down on the tv..
George - Go to Accessibility in Preferences and play around with the Reduce Transparency and Increase Contrast settings. You can get a whole "different" feel.
I agree. They have taken all that was beautiful about Mac OS X and ripped it out. Now it looks like a toy. I especially hate what they have done to the traffic lights and the Finder icon. The latter just looks silly - no class or refinement. It's like they've taken the Mona Lisa and painted over her subtle smile with a massive cheesy one. Urgh, can't bare to look at it!
Moshilla Firefox, updated; inspired by Apple's fresh new guidelines
Is that reduced contrast with, or without, increased contrast in the Accessibility pane of System Preferences in Yosemite?
In Yosemite there seems to be an Apple trend towards garishness for folder icons, whilst making it difficult to read text in the GUI. Maybe reduced legibility of the GUI is intended to be harmonious with 'content is King' or something.
To continue the humour
Firefox
Open source, so anyone with enough knowhow can make changes that take inspiration from the fresh, new Mashemite OS X Human Interface Guidelines.
An ideal update for 10.10:
Power, simplicity, and beauty
The design principles for Mashemite are echoed in that vision of Moshilla Firefox.
There's sparkling attention to detail; Apple's ignorance of HTML is not only echoed, it's embraced and extended so that the tab shows part of the URL. Simple! Take a fresh look at the dimensionality of that partial URL; it is the new title.
I have been using OS X since I think Tiger. Steve Jobs would be proud - this version is some of Apple's best work yet.
Is that reduced contrast with, or without, increased contrast in the Accessibility pane of System Preferences in Yosemite?
In Yosemite there seems to be an Apple trend towards garishness for folder icons, whilst making it difficult to read text in the GUI. Maybe reduced legibility of the GUI is intended to be harmonious with 'content is King' or something.
To continue the humour
Firefox
Damn firefox, where the hell is the new update for Yosemite.
Open source, so anyone with enough knowhow can make changes that take inspiration from the fresh, new Mashemite OS X Human Interface Guidelines.
An ideal update for 10.10:
Power, simplicity, and beauty
The design principles for Mashemite are echoed in that vision of Moshilla Firefox.
There's sparkling attention to detail; Apple's ignorance of HTML is not only echoed, it's embraced and extended so that the tab shows part of the URL. Simple! Take a fresh look at the dimensionality of that partial URL; it is the new title.
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Maybe it's hidden? If you right click on a purchase it gives you an option to "hide" it. It then says you can see your hidden purchases from your account screen. Which you can see on the main page on the app store, under the "quick links" section.
Hope this helps
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Yosemite's adoption rate appears to be starting to level off just over 20%:
https://www.gosquared.com/global/mac/yosemite
Maybe it's too early to tell but with Mavericks I seem to remember that sort of curve starting off almost as a line with increasing, not decreasing slope and just continuing.
Wouldn't it be something if after a period of time the Yosemite user curve started a downward trend? It would imply regression back to previous OSes.
https://www.gosquared.com/global/mac/yosemite
Maybe it's too early to tell but with Mavericks I seem to remember that sort of curve starting off almost as a line with increasing, not decreasing slope and just continuing.
Wouldn't it be something if after a period of time the Yosemite user curve started a downward trend? It would imply regression back to previous OSes.
If you downloaded it in the past, it's there - only not that visible between the regular apps. Look closely for a very very thin X, I too overlooked it at first.
Dannyg86, thanks for the tip. It helped me to get my MBP back from Yosh*tmite to Mavericks. I'll hold on to 10.9 for as long as I possibly can.
Discussion of the GoSquared measurements: orientation
The discussion of GoSquared measurements that began under a pre-release news item is ongoing, post-release.
A peak around lunchtime on Tuesday, and so on
The discussion of GoSquared measurements that began under a pre-release news item is ongoing, post-release.
A peak around lunchtime on Tuesday, and so on
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