Anyone else doubting an iPP 2018 this year or June at Least?...

[Codeseven]

I’ll stick with a June WWDC iPP announcement for the upcoming school year, followed later with they’re money maker, new iPhone, in October for the upcoming Holiday shopping season.

At least that’s what I’m hoping. I want to upgrade my Air 1 asap. But, if still no leaks by the 2nd week of May, all bets are off.

 

[rui no onna]

I am waiting for June in the hope all three items are updated. If they are not I'm gonna feel hella dispointed as I have no tablet right now and only a desktop (missing my digital comics). Missed out on a Surface Book 2 offer so Macbook Pro and ipad better come through!

Don't think I'll have the patience in your shoes. At the very least, I would've likely nabbed a $310 128GB iPad 5th gen from Apple's refurb store to tide me over.

 

[Mathias Denichi]

You’re making the assumption that the only thing that made the pro, pro - was the pencil.

It’s somewhat true because the extra processor speeds are negligible when running anything in iOS. From that point, the pro motion display and the speakers are the only thing making it Pro, and many won’t think it’s worth the extra $400-600 more than to live without. iOS is so light and held down to the lower lesser performing phones that it holds the top performing iPad Pro back. It doesn’t matter how fast the hardware gets when nothing in iOS can really use it.

 

[TiggrToo]

It’s somewhat true because the extra processor speeds are negligible when running anything in iOS. From that point, the pro motion display and the speakers are the only thing making it Pro, and many won’t think it’s worth the extra $400-600 more than to live without. iOS is so light and held down to the lower lesser performing phones that it holds the top performing iPad Pro back. It doesn’t matter how fast the hardware gets when nothing in iOS can really use it.

I'd tend to disagree, the current Pro has many more features not available on the new iPad (with pencil), to wit:

• Bigger display
• Higher resolution
• Significantly better cameras (1.2/8 vs 7/12 with OIS)
• Smart connector
• More RAM (32/128 vs 64/256/512)
• Better TouchId (v1 vs v2)
• Higher refresh rate (120Hz)
• True Tone display

 

[Mathias Denichi]

I'd tend to disagree, the current Pro has many more features not available on the new iPad (with pencil), to wit:

• Bigger display
• Higher resolution
• Significantly better cameras (1.2/8 vs 7/12 with OIS)
• Smart connector
• More RAM (32/128 vs 64/256/512)
• Better TouchId (v1 vs v2)
• Higher refresh rate (120Hz)
• True Tone display

Again, these are all minor features that dont warrant the $400-$600 price increase to someone looking for the best price to performance ratio. The smart connector is hardly a feature, thats not RAM, that’s ssd space. Touch ID is nice, but v2 vs 1 on a non personal device isn’t an issue. And the camera is hardly used on the pro vs its use on an iPhone, specially the 12.9 in. I’d go to say that only the front facing camera is of the most importance on an iPad.

For the next iPad Pro to separate itself, it will have to really make use of the features you’ve listed, add a few more, really make use of the smart connector by adding an array of accessories, and create a higher tier branch of iOS that can fullly make use of the processing power on the iPad Pro.

 

[TiggrToo]

Again, these are all minor features that dont warrant the $400-$600 price increase to someone looking for the best price to performance ratio. The smart connector is hardly a feature, thats not RAM, that’s ssd space. Touch ID is nice, but v2 vs 1 on a non personal device isn’t an issue. And the camera is hardly used on the pro vs its use on an iPhone, specially the 12.9 in. I’d go to say that only the front facing camera is of the most importance on an iPad.

For the next iPad Pro to separate itself, it will have to really make use of the features you’ve listed, add a few more, really make use of the smart connector by adding an array of accessories, and create a higher tier branch of iOS that can fullly make use of the processing power on the iPad Pro.

Guess it's in the eye of the beholder. Personally I'm appreciating the true-tone display and the extra RAM, just for starters. You may not think these are important, others, like myself do.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Guess it's in the eye of the beholder. Personally I'm appreciating the true-tone display and the extra RAM, just for starters. You may not think these are important, others, like myself do.

Agreed about TrueTone. I’ll never buy another iPad without it.

 

[sracer]

I'd tend to disagree, the current Pro has many more features not available on the new iPad (with pencil), to wit:

• Bigger display
• Higher resolution
• Significantly better cameras (1.2/8 vs 7/12 with OIS)
• Smart connector
• More RAM (32/128 vs 64/256/512)
• Better TouchId (v1 vs v2)
• Higher refresh rate (120Hz)
• True Tone display

You forgot, bezels and laminated screen.

Higher resolution?
iPad Pro 12.9 = 2732x2048, 264ppi
iPad Pro 10.5 = 2224x1668, 264ppi
2018 iPad 9.7= 2048x1536, 264ppi

Technically, yes there are more pixels on the Pro models. But they all have the same pixel density. Considering that all iPads share the same homescreen grid, single column widget screen (a step back from iOS 10's dual column on the 12.9), that extra resolution isn't always used to full advantage.

More RAM? (I think you meant more storage), but yes, the Pro's have 4GB RAM while the 2018 has 2GB.

Yes, you've compared the tech spec sheets of both the 2018 iPad and iPad Pros. I haven't seen anyone arguing that there is no technical difference between them. What some are saying is that there is no a practical difference for many. (Note: "many" not "all")

For those people who are more interested in "cost-value" rather than "premium", the iPad 2018 is very compelling. For many in that cost-value segment, TruTone, 120Hz refresh, and v2 TouchId don't attach a great monetary value to them. Camera, and smart connector, perhaps a little bit more.

There is a lot of buzz and excitement surrounding the 2018 iPad. It has caused a few of us, myself included, to ditch a Pro for it. Apple has done little in iOS and software to fully exploit the capabilities of the Pro hardware. That might change, it might not. Apple's attempt at the Files.app (simply their version of Documents by Readdle) shows me how little they are interested in moving things forward. Should that change in the future, I'll go back to a Pro.

Having said that, this is not to say that one choice or the other is more "virtuous". It is not more honorable to choose cost-value over premium. It's a personal preference. Hopefully these discussions help folks sort out which camp they'll be more comfortable in.

 

[va1984]

for a short while I owned both a first gen 12.9 Pro (sans TrueTone) and a 9.7 Pro (with TrueTone). The difference was immense. The non-TrueTone display in a warmly lit room at night was like somebody squirting lemon juice into your eyes.

But the conversation is really much simpler than that: if you are a casual tablet user, willing to watch you tube videos and play a couple of games, get the cheap one. If you (Mathias D.) say something like the Smart Connector isn't a feature, well then evidently you and the iPad Pro don't speak the same language. The Smart Connector enables everything I do with the iPad: from seamless charging on a Logi Base to seamless popping on and off the Keyboard, without the hassle of the bluetooth keyboard remaining engaged even when you left it in a different room (to say nothing of the extra weight, etc...)

 

[sracer]

for a short while I owned both a first gen 12.9 Pro (sans TrueTone) and a 9.7 Pro (with TrueTone). The difference was immense. The non-TrueTone display in a warmly lit room at night was like somebody squirting lemon juice into your eyes.

But the conversation is really much simpler than that: if you are a casual tablet user, willing to watch you tube videos and play a couple of games, get the cheap one. If you (Mathias D.) say something like the Smart Connector isn't a feature, well then evidently you and the iPad Pro don't speak the same language. The Smart Connector enables everything I do with the iPad: from seamless charging on a Logi Base to seamless popping on and off the Keyboard, without the hassle of the bluetooth keyboard remaining engaged even when you left it in a different room (to say nothing of the extra weight, etc...)

I'm a huge fan of the ASK so I won't fuss at the hyperbole over the "hassle" of the bluetooth keyboard remaining engaged.

For the 2018 iPad, using a smart cover and Logitech Keys-to-Go keyboard is no heavier or bulkier than the ASK is for the 10.5 or 12.9 Pros. Yes, the ASK is easy to pop off to use the iPad as a tablet... but you have to put it somewhere. And if you're in a meeting or at a coffee shop, that ASK can be cumbersome.

 

[pedregosa]

You forgot, bezels and laminated screen.

Higher resolution?
iPad Pro 12.9 = 2732x2048, 264ppi
iPad Pro 10.5 = 2224x1668, 264ppi
2018 iPad 9.7= 2048x1536, 264ppi

Technically, yes there are more pixels on the Pro models. But they all have the same pixel density. Considering that all iPads share the same homescreen grid, single column widget screen (a step back from iOS 10's dual column on the 12.9), that extra resolution isn't always used to full advantage.

More RAM? (I think you meant more storage), but yes, the Pro's have 4GB RAM while the 2018 has 2GB.

Yes, you've compared the tech spec sheets of both the 2018 iPad and iPad Pros. I haven't seen anyone arguing that there is no technical difference between them. What some are saying is that there is no a practical difference for many. (Note: "many" not "all")

For those people who are more interested in "cost-value" rather than "premium", the iPad 2018 is very compelling. For many in that cost-value segment, TruTone, 120Hz refresh, and v2 TouchId don't attach a great monetary value to them. Camera, and smart connector, perhaps a little bit more.

There is a lot of buzz and excitement surrounding the 2018 iPad. It has caused a few of us, myself included, to ditch a Pro for it. Apple has done little in iOS and software to fully exploit the capabilities of the Pro hardware. That might change, it might not. Apple's attempt at the Files.app (simply their version of Documents by Readdle) shows me how little they are interested in moving things forward. Should that change in the future, I'll go back to a Pro.

Having said that, this is not to say that one choice or the other is more "virtuous". It is not more honorable to choose cost-value over premium. It's a personal preference. Hopefully these discussions help folks sort out which camp they'll be more comfortable in.

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You forgot, bezels and laminated screen.

Higher resolution?
iPad Pro 12.9 = 2732x2048, 264ppi
iPad Pro 10.5 = 2224x1668, 264ppi
2018 iPad 9.7= 2048x1536, 264ppi

Technically, yes there are more pixels on the Pro models. But they all have the same pixel density. Considering that all iPads share the same homescreen grid, single column widget screen (a step back from iOS 10's dual column on the 12.9), that extra resolution isn't always used to full advantage.

More RAM? (I think you meant more storage), but yes, the Pro's have 4GB RAM while the 2018 has 2GB.

Yes, you've compared the tech spec sheets of both the 2018 iPad and iPad Pros. I haven't seen anyone arguing that there is no technical difference between them. What some are saying is that there is no a practical difference for many. (Note: "many" not "all")

For those people who are more interested in "cost-value" rather than "premium", the iPad 2018 is very compelling. For many in that cost-value segment, TruTone, 120Hz refresh, and v2 TouchId don't attach a great monetary value to them. Camera, and smart connector, perhaps a little bit more.

There is a lot of buzz and excitement surrounding the 2018 iPad. It has caused a few of us, myself included, to ditch a Pro for it. Apple has done little in iOS and software to fully exploit the capabilities of the Pro hardware. That might change, it might not. Apple's attempt at the Files.app (simply their version of Documents by Readdle) shows me how little they are interested in moving things forward. Should that change in the future, I'll go back to a Pro.

Having said that, this is not to say that one choice or the other is more "virtuous". It is not more honorable to choose cost-value over premium. It's a personal preference. Hopefully these discussions help folks sort out which camp they'll be more comfortable in.

I agree that the 2018 iPad is a great buy. But I don’t quite see the logic in getting rid of a functioning Pro to get it. Even if you take the view that the new regular iPad is a much better value, the Pro you already own is surely the better device. And even if you get a good price selling it, it doesn’t seem to make sense to switch.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Again, these are all minor features that dont warrant the $400-$600 price increase to someone looking for the best price to performance ratio. The smart connector is hardly a feature, thats not RAM, that’s ssd space. Touch ID is nice, but v2 vs 1 on a non personal device isn’t an issue. And the camera is hardly used on the pro vs its use on an iPhone, specially the 12.9 in. I’d go to say that only the front facing camera is of the most importance on an iPad.

For the next iPad Pro to separate itself, it will have to really make use of the features you’ve listed, add a few more, really make use of the smart connector by adding an array of accessories, and create a higher tier branch of iOS that can fullly make use of the processing power on the iPad Pro.

After having the keyboard cover I couldn't go back to an ipad without one, so smart connecter is a must have.

Also the four speakers and the laminated display.

That said I have a friend who works at a local Apple store and he has said the demand for the 2018 ipad is high and this can only be a good thing.

 

[spiderman0616]

After having the keyboard cover I couldn't go back to an ipad without one, so smart connecter is a must have.

Also the four speakers and the laminated display.

That said I have a friend who works at a local Apple store and he has said the demand for the 2018 ipad is high and this can only be a good thing.

This is good news for iPad in general. I don’t care who buys which one—I just like to see the user base grow.

 

[rui no onna]

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I agree that the 2018 iPad is a great buy. But I don’t quite see the logic in getting rid of a functioning Pro to get it. Even if you take the view that the new regular iPad is a much better value, the Pro you already own is surely the better device. And even if you get a good price selling it, it doesn’t seem to make sense to switch.

If one was already planning on downsizing anyway (e.g. Pro 12.9 to Pro 10.5), then the switch to the less expensive 2018 (or even 2017) iPad 9.7 might make sense depending on one's usage.

 

[pedregosa]

If one was already planning on downsizing anyway (e.g. Pro 12.9 to Pro 10.5), then the switch to the less expensive 2018 (or even 2017) iPad 9.7 might make sense depending on one's usage.

Good point. But 10.5 Pro to 9.7 regular doesn’t seem to make sense.

 

[aakshey]

If they do release a radically redesigned iPad X, it just might replace both current iPad Pros.

I’d say it would probably be like 11/12” of usable real estate.

Base WiFi model - USD 799 (64/128 GB)
256 GB - USD 949
512 GB - USD 1199+
It is possible they skip the 256 GB and do a lineup like the below:

128 GB - USD 799
512 GB - 949/999
1 TB - 1299+

Cellular should be an additional USD 129-149 or so.

So the top model (excluding taxes, AC+ etc) will be between USD 1200-1500+. Including AC+, taxes, accessories etc it will be between USD 1600-2000 in USA. In UK the same in pounds so £1600-2000.

 

[sracer]

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I agree that the 2018 iPad is a great buy. But I don’t quite see the logic in getting rid of a functioning Pro to get it. Even if you take the view that the new regular iPad is a much better value, the Pro you already own is surely the better device. And even if you get a good price selling it, it doesn’t seem to make sense to switch.

i gave the 12.9 Pro to my wife. But even if i had to sell it, I got a great deal when i first bought it and would be able to get a decent return selling/trading. The difference certainly justifies the 2+ plus years of daily use.

As for it being a “better” device, there is more to better than more/higher specs. I have found the 9.7 form factor to be the ideal size for me given the current state and probable future of iOS. It’s obviously more portable and because it is using the Air’s chassis, there are a myriad of options available.

 

[Falhófnir]

Look at the A10 vs A11 and tell me a A11X doesnt sound compelling. I couldn’t be more excited for a processor.

It has the potential to be a lot more powerful, but what can you do with more power at this point? Even the A9X in the first gen pros will run absolutely anything on the App Store with aplomb.

 

[The Game 161]

I'm guessing price will be similar as last year.

 

[Codeseven]

Ok, it’s May 1st. The clock is ticking for some type of news leak. By next week if it’s still quiet, I’m gonna have to doubt there will be a new iPP at WWDC.

 

[sracer]

Ok, it’s May 1st. The clock is ticking for some type of news leak. By next week if it’s still quiet, I’m gonna have to doubt there will be a new iPP at WWDC.

Depends on your definition of "new". I suspect IF there is any iPad Pro news for WWDC (I don't believe there will be), it might be a processor bump. That's not something that would necessarily get leaked. If you've waited this long before buying an iPP, you pretty much need to wait a few more weeks just to be sure.

 

[gnomeisland]

I don't see Face ID making more sense on an iPad. People generally unlock their phones far more frequently than they unlock their tablets and laptops.

Besides, that logic doesn't hold up when factoring in things like 3D touch. It's still not on any iPad. Some say that Apple can't implement it on the iPad. But that is simply conjecture, Apple hasn't stated that.

First off your opinion isn't logic and I never mentioned 3D Touch. But since you mention it, I do think 3D Touch would also make a lot of sense with an iPad. Perhaps not more sense because an iPad is more likely to be propped up with a keyboard (making the the force part of "force touch" a bit awkward). I'm not sure why Apple hasn't implemented it. When it was announced I did read some of the explanations and it makes sense why it would be harder to implement the larger the screen size.

Getting back to Face ID on the iPad, to me it has nothing to do with the number of times a device is unlocked it has to do how a device is used. While I don't bemoan the loss of Touch ID and the home button, they do make more ergonomic sense on a phone where you are usually pulling it out of a pocket or bag to use. The physical act of engaging with an iPad is different. While iPads are more likely to be used in both portrait and landscape mode (the commons reason for doubting it will/can be implemented on the iPad) from a usability standpoint I'm more likely to have my iPad directly facing my face when I need to use it. Not so with my phone. I think FaceID would be a fluid way of unlocking my iPad, whereas it feels like a step sideways with the iPhone.

The other reason I think it makes more sense is that the iPad has had a more gesture based interface than the iPhone for years. iOS 11 builds on that even further. In fact, when I used an iPhone X I quickly felt that, in both good and bad ways, I was dealing more with an tiny iPad than a larger iPhone. Because of the gestures/UI, the home button already feels vestigial on my iPad. However, I would/will miss it on my iPhone (when I finally get around to upgrading).

So that's my reasoning/opinion spelled out. Agree or not, there is no logic.

 

[IPadNParadise]

FWIW - I will not update my 10.5 in 2018. I have had the 2, 4, Air 2, 12.9 gen 2 and now the 10.5. I have 2 family members I hand them off to as I replace them. I love my iPad but I have finally gotten it thru my head all I need is the iPad vs the IPP. I care nothing about the features the Pro offers over the regular iPad, what I love is the basic function of the iPad. I ‘thought’ I needed the Pro for the photo editing I do (Affinity Photo for iPad) but since they added the pencil function to the regular iPad, I began to see that was enough. I also see that the small storage is big enough. I have about 11gb used on my 64gb 10.5 currently. I also am going to stop paying for the Apple branded smart case, ridiculous cost. Think of how much money I am going to save.
I am also hoping to not to EVER have to replace my top end 2015 MBP. I will use it as long as it works and can be updated and will keep my fingers crossed my iPad will replace it by then. My computer needs are very simple but sometimes there are things my iPad just wont do. If the iPad can’t totally replace it by the time I need a new one, I’ll get a PC.

 

[PhoneMe1]

I just swapped my 2nd gen 12.9 64gb 6 months old for a brand new 10.5 64gb 4g, so doubt i will be updating this year.

 

[Mathias Denichi]

There’s not going to be much updating of any devices this year, since 2017 was the load blowing year for Apple. We’re just going to get iterative updates across the board until 2019.

The only thing I see them possibly redesigning is the MacBook Pro, but it won’t be for awhile. They will likely just dump the new quad core and hexa cores into the chassis, call it a day, and act like the butterfly keyboards are fine.