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Palmer Luckey: "Before VR can become something that everyone can afford, it must become something that everybody wants."

Well said. 👍

It is such amazing technology with many applications, but I don't think it is going to be as easy as the iPhone where the product was basically responsible for creating mainstream demand for smartphones.

The unique challenge of AR/VR is that people inherently can't socially experience why they want it in the same way they can experience why they want a computer/smartphone/tablet/watch/etc by witnessing someone use it. Hanging out with a group of friends and seeing someone pull out their iPhone and and lookup the restaurant everyone wants to go to, call and get reservations and then pull up turn-by-turn directions is a very relatable moment that sparks some envy.

Hanging out with a group of people where one person has a vision pro and no one else can see what's on the other side of the glass seems a little weird at best and extremely awkward at worst.

Every other type of consumer electronic device you can see and get a sense of the feature the person across the room is using and the benefit they are getting out of it. With AVP and other VR headsets all you see is a box hugging their face while randomly grasping at the air with their thumb and forefinger. I think the only place that is going to create mass envy is flying coach on a 2+ hour flight.

This isn't being negative on the tech, as I do think that VR/AR will ultimately be successful as it matures, but it is going to take awhile for people to actually see and experience the features and benefits.


I watched the ad and I'll I could think of was about how technology disconnects us from reality. I personally found it depressing.

Give me a screen and a mouse anyway over "living" in VR. Yuch.

I agree, it's a really odd bit of marketing given how much awareness screen time and the negative impacts of always connected devices and consumption are having on general wellbeing. There will be more than a few people turned off by that. I think it is a mistake to feature use cases where a smartphone/tablet would be a better/more convenient substitute. The guy pulling up his whole work setup at the kitchen island so he can make his kids' lunch I didn't get in the launch video either. Why? So you have easy access to urgent work email and messages while taking 10 min to slap together a couple of grilled cheese sandwiches? What's the iPhone in your pocket for then? Why would you even be trying to work on a Keynote presentation in that situation? It presents AVP as the world's most efficient device at enabling adult onset ADHD and unhealthy work/life balance...

Having in on while packing your suitcase makes no sense either. Anything she could be doing on there, up to and including the unexpected Facetime call, would be a least 4x easier on a handheld device in that situation.

It's a device you're going to use when you are alone 99% of the time. That they are trying too hard to play up the 'socially acceptable' aspects makes it even more weird. Why not lean into the amazing spacial computing aspects? Showing the people watching a movie at home and on the plane are the most compelling thing in the commercial. It's cool. Dude's triple-screen in the kitchen is actually really cool if you show him enabled to create the ultimate work from home battle station in the den. Can we show someone running through vacation photos and videos, organizing and selecting some to post to social media from the comfort of the couch? How about a video editor using it as a 150" display with his MacBook Pro? Focus and meditation? Where are the games?

Until multiple people wearing a Vision Pro headset can share a virtual environment, focus on why the solo experience is so awesome that I'd still feel cool using one.
 
oh boy, as much as I am a tech enthusiast, this ad is just turning me off of this device. Sorry, it brings back thoughts of how people don't even know how to behave well with current tech - think checking phones mid-conversation, talking on bluetooth headsets while also talking to you in person, etc... tech should get out of the way while it makes lives better... this shoves it literally into your face, and takes you to some extent out of life in my view.

In all honesty, I would rather pay $3500 for a smart Siri that I can converse with.
There’s invisible tech (small smartphones, smart watches, smart assistants, etc.) and there’s immersive tech (larger smartphones, multi monitor setups, big screen TVs, headphones, etc.), and these are relative—they each have their purpose, like any other tool. If a person abuses a tool by foregoing manners, then that’s just the fault of the person, not the tool. People race up and down my street in their supped up cars revving their engines, but I don’t blame the cars. I actually like the cars—it’s the people who are knuckleheads.

And yes, ideally we never multitask while interacting with people, but how many of us can say we never have a phone screen or monitor on when people are present? At work of course, but even at home if say you’re looking up flights, every time a family member walks into the room do you turn off your laptop? I don’t 🤷‍♂️. So I think ultimately it’s just case by case. But we can have general rules of thumb. Mine are:
- For quick info exchange with familiar people who don’t care, whatever goes.
- For quick info exchange with unfamiliar people, or an actual conversation with anyone, you keep your eyes off your screen (unless you are looking up information pertaining to the conversation). For the VP, that would translate exactly the same. As long as I see their eyes (virtual doesn’t concern me) I know I have their attention, and that’s all I care about in that situation.
- For a serious conversation you put away/turn off the screen. For the VP, that means taking off the headset.
 
I like two aspects, simulating desktop monitors and watching movies like in a theatre. But knowing Apple those two things will be crippled or extremely limited so I'm hoping someone could jailbreak the device and unlock its true potential.
 
“Just packing my suitcase while wearing the Vision Pro & battery pack…ya know…just to enhance that whole experience.…and, in case someone calls I don’t want to just answer with my iPhone!”

Marketing team is really stretching it on that use-case scenario 😬 🤣
She appears to be unpacking in a hotel room while on a trip. So the experience being enhanced is getting a call and dancing with someone who she says she misses.
 
I watched the ad and I'll I could think of was about how technology disconnects us from reality. I personally found it depressing.

Give me a screen and a mouse anyway over "living" in VR. Yuch.

This leans into weird, antisocial behaviour in a way I've never seen Apple do before. The dad interacting with his kid via the dead robot eyes is the kind of thing I'd expect to see in an SNL parody or in Black Mirror, and yet here it is in an ad for a product Apple wants us to believe is the next generation of computing. Dystopian.

Nothing my TV, laptop, or phone can’t already do for me. All for much cheaper in price, too. I saw the commercial and my first thought was about the son thinking back on his childhood and what he remembers most is his dad not being present with him, but his dad lost in cyberspace with some Apple device over his eyes. -shrugs-

It’s weird-looking for sure, but it’s not exactly disconnecting/antisocial. With EyeSight, the intent is actually the opposite. Whereas the dad in the commercial would likely otherwise be in another room with desktop monitors doing his work, not interacting with his family at all, the VP allowed him to be in the presence of his family reciprocating attention when engaged. Assuming the family likes the dad, I imagine they appreciated those moments of attention more than they thought the headset offputting—ie. net positive. Also what is offputting/strange can change over time. The child being traumatized from seeing his dad (let’s assume occasionally) using the VP scenario doesn’t seem likely.

Whether one is actually able to multitask like that is another discussion and will differ from person to person and situation to situation.

Also I imagine some might say this will tempt people to always try to divide their attention and never give dedicated time to loved ones. Probably yes for some, hopefully a few, but this can also help others be more productive so that they can spend more time with loved ones (I know this would be true for me anyway). It’s the exact same thing when laptops were made—the portability was a double edged sword because you could work anywhere, but then you could work anywhere. With more good there will always be more bad because people are people.
 
Well I have a Quest which is basically the same thing just with worse imagine quality. Also, the wife part was just a rhetorical scenario to be more relatable to the straights on here
The Quest is a VP with worse image quality, just like a BlackBerry was an iPhone with keyboard. Actually, they’re totally different products.
 
The Quest is a VP with worse image quality, just like a BlackBerry was an iPhone with keyboard. Actually, they’re totally different products.

It also does AR but I never use pass through as for me the whole point of wearing a headset is NOT seeing my apartment and "going" somewhere else. I'd call it the Android version (it also does side loading) of VP
 
It's a super-expensive "computing" device with less flexibility than a $600 Mac mini.
Well you could sellotape a Mac mini to each eye, and draw yourself some fake eyes on the bottom.

I think you would be disappointed at the result, Mac minis perhaps aren’t as flexible as you think - and I think you may look even sillier than the AVP wearer looking at you like you’re the weird one.
 
It’s weird-looking for sure, but it’s not exactly disconnecting/antisocial.
Disagree.

With EyeSight, the intent is actually the opposite.
Intent is less important than what it's like in practice.

Whereas the dad in the commercial would likely otherwise be in another room with desktop monitors doing his work, not interacting with his family at all, the VP allowed him to be in the presence of his family reciprocating attention when engaged.
You know what else would allow him to be at least equally present, if not more so, while still working at that counter? Literally any laptop. He's dragging things around in basic documents, nothing they showed him doing needed a 3D environment or a $3500 pair of goggles on his face. An M1 MacBook Air could have done that job and not been between him and his child. Obviously this is just an ad, but if this is the scenario they came up with to promote this devicethen things are looking grim right off the bat.

Assuming the family likes the dad, I imagine they appreciated those moments of attention more than they thought the headset offputting—ie. net positive.
Or he could glance up and step away from a laptop or iPad. The Vision Pro adds no value here.

Also what is offputting/strange can change over time.
Sure. People can learn to put up with all sort of shenanigans, that doesn't mean those changes are always good.

The child being traumatized from seeing his dad (let’s assume occasionally) using the VP scenario doesn’t seem likely.
I don't think the child is going to be traumatised, I just think the Vision Pro is an awkward middleman in a situation where it adds no value, and this is a use-case Apple chose to highlight.

Whether one is actually able to multitask like that is another discussion and will differ from person to person and situation to situation.
He's barely multitasking. Like I've said a bunch already, you can do all of this today with a laptop.

Also I imagine some might say this will tempt people to always try to divide their attention and never give dedicated time to loved ones. Probably yes for some, hopefully a few, but this can also help others be more productive so that they can spend more time with loved ones (I know this would be true for me anyway).
How will you be more productive? What is it about strapping the monitor to your face that's going to shave meaningful time off your daily tasks? I'm genuinely curious.

It’s the exact same thing when laptops were made—the portability was a double edged sword because you could work anywhere, but then you could work anywhere. With more good there will always be more bad because people are people.
Laptops let you do things on the go that you couldn't do before. I'm not sure what the Vision Pro offers that I can't do right now on a laptop or a phone. To your earlier point, people got used to being available all the time, arguably to their own detriment. The Vision Pro doesn't change the status quo. It's the same capability, only more expensive and strapped to your face.

To be completely clear, there are parts of the Vision Pro that I find incredibly interesting. I think the hand and eye tracking could be massively important input methods. I just don't get the value in strapping the computer to my face to use them. If I could interact with my TV, laptop, phone, car, house, etc through these gestures and eye tracking (alongside more traditional input methods), that would be incredible. I can think of countless uses. But putting that into a virtual world that only I can see while simultaneously blocking out reality, all so I can play with iPad apps floating in mid-air? That math's not adding up for me.
 
Why would someone be wearing this while unpacking? So you check in to your hotel room and think "before I can unpack and really relax I need to strap on my heavy VR headset and look through a virtual window to unpack my clothes...."

Apple is making it seem like people are just going to be randomly wearing the headset while doing regular every day tasks which is a little ridiculous.
 
Why would someone be wearing this while unpacking? Apple is making it seem like people are just going to be randomly wearing the headset while doing regular every day tasks.
Becuase you never ever see anyone ever using an Apple product while doing regular every day tasks.
 
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Laptops let you do things on the go that you couldn't do before. I'm not sure what the Vision Pro offers that I can't do right now on a laptop or a phone. To your earlier point, people got used to being available all the time, arguably to their own detriment. The Vision Pro doesn't change the status quo. It's the same capability, only more expensive and strapped to your face.

To be completely clear, there are parts of the Vision Pro that I find incredibly interesting. I think the hand and eye tracking could be massively important input methods. I just don't get the value in strapping the computer to my face to use them. If I could interact with my TV, laptop, phone, car, house, etc through these gestures and eye tracking (alongside more traditional input methods), that would be incredible. I can think of countless uses. But putting that into a virtual world that only I can see while simultaneously blocking out reality, all so I can play with iPad apps floating in mid-air? That math's not adding up for me.


...why would anyone go to a theater when they have a phone to watch? Why would anyone go to Paris when they have a postcard to look at? Why would anyone go to school when they have google? Why would anyone cook when they have postmates?
 
Hanging out with a group of people where one person has a vision pro and no one else can see what's on the other side of the glass seems a little weird at best and extremely awkward at worst.

Every other type of consumer electronic device you can see and get a sense of the feature the person across the room is using and the benefit they are getting out of it. With AVP and other VR headsets all you see is a box hugging their face while randomly grasping at the air with their thumb and forefinger. I think the only place that is going to create mass envy is flying coach on a 2+ hour flight.
Headphones?
 
Thank you, but no thank you. Too expensive, no kiler Feature, no real new Usecase.

VR/AR already has problems to get into mainstream-markets. A 3.500€, stupid looking headset will not change this.
Without good Software support (not even Netflix has adopted its app), this will be dead on arrival.
 
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