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Klickst

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Dec 7, 2019
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You are right, it is not intuitive. But I just discovered you can get those values from Display Calibrator. I have not got my new MacBook Pro yet so I can not check this myself. View attachment 1904182
I'm a little confused. Are these the values that 'ArtIsRight' measures in the video at minute 21:30 and enters afterwards under "Measured"?
See here:

In other words: I avoid the need to measure the display?
Thanks!
 

nollic

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Apr 19, 2016
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I'm a little confused. Are these the values that 'ArtIsRight' measures in the video at minute 21:30 and enters afterwards under "Measured"?
See here:

In other words: I avoid the need to measure the display?
Thanks!
Unfortunately every calibration is individual due to factors like panels, surrounding light, etc. To consistently have a calibrated monitor this process should be done not only once but preferably as often as possible depending on how crucial correct colors are for you.
 

paalb

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Dec 17, 2019
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I'm a little confused. Are these the values that 'ArtIsRight' measures in the video at minute 21:30 and enters afterwards under "Measured"?

In other words: I avoid the need to measure the display?
Thanks!
No.
Use this to Calibrate manually like this: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tton-calibration-option.2319627/post-30528601
Do not click Done when you come to “Conclusion”. Instead, note the values you get in Native White Point. Use those to enter in “Measured” as shown by ArtIsRight in his video.

By the way, I recommend getting a calibration device when we know a bit more about which devices we can use and not use your eyes if you are serious about your work.
 
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Matck06

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Oct 28, 2021
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After watching the video and calibrating with displaycal with option like "measured on tone curve, luminance, temperature, I get this
Screenshot_20211109-143959_Samsung Internet.jpg
 

Klickst

macrumors newbie
Dec 7, 2019
11
6
No.
Use this to Calibrate manually like this: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tton-calibration-option.2319627/post-30528601
Do not click Done when you come to “Conclusion”. Instead, note the values you get in Native White Point. Use those to enter in “Measured” as shown by ArtIsRight in his video.

By the way, I recommend getting a calibration device when we know a bit more about which devices we can use and not use your eyes if you are serious about your work.
Thanks for your explanation!

I already own a colorimeter (basICColor SQUID 3 - equivalent to X-Rite i1Display Pro) and use basiCColor display 6 (https://www.basiccolor.de/en/). A simple website, but an excellent product with which I have had the best experience so far.
The author is working on a version suitable for the new MacBooks. It should be released shortly.
 
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Bohnster

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Nov 8, 2021
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The system will bring up TouchID for authentication, but on my MacBook it just sort of hung there, so I chose ‘Use Password’ instead.
If you mouse over then click the ColorSync Utility confirmation pop-up window, it allows you at that point to use the Touch ID. It felt like it was hanging at first to me too, then I noticed when I clicked the window the colors came out and it was ready to except the Touch ID.

ColorSync.png


So I don't even know where my original color profile came from, but I have a color profile that I prefer. It seems like it has a smaller cut color gamut or something, and it makes pretty much all colors look deeper and more vibrant. To me, it's like how the old iPhones used to look washed out "color accurate" and door compared to a Samsung Galaxy with am AMOLED display.

I'd interested if someone can figure out what device or where this original start ICC file came from. But I love it. I'll post/attach it here as "Bohnster Color LCD Calibrated.txt" just change it to "Bohnster Color LCD Calibrated.icc"

Another thing that I noticed, with my desktop background, when the M1 Max MacBook Pro boots, for a brief moment you can see the colors look amazing and rich. Then when it finally completes booting into the OS, it appears to load that Apple XDR Display (P3 - 1600 nits) reference mode. And then everything looks kind of lame and washed out. Is there anyway to tell what color profile the Mac is using before it loads that XDR mode? Cause that would be cool to try that one out.

Also, @Sowqlu's fix should be like super stickyed.
 

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alexqndr

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Mar 18, 2018
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  1. Open up the display cal app, and plug in your calibration tool, in my case i1 display pro
  2. It will prompt me to download the latest Argyll (which is a lie. It's downloading v2.1.2), click ok and let it
  3. Go to https://www.argyllcms.com/downloadmac.html and click on "Intel OS X 10.6 64 bit or later" , it will download a tgz zip file, unzip it and make note of its location, we will need to move it later.
  4. Go back to the DisplayCal app. Click on "File" up top, click "Locate ArgyllCMS Executables", it should open a bin folder with a bunch of files in it. Navigate to the Library>Download folder where your unzipped ArgyllCMS folder is located (from step 4), and select the "bin" folder
  5. Displaycal will automatically try to run a bunch of files in that bin folder, and the MacOS will try to stop you because the files came from an unidentified developer. So everytime the "warning: Can't open up file because the developer is unknown" popup shows up, you need to go to that bin folder and do a CTRL+ Right click to force run the file. Then cancel the popup windows. Repeat this a few times until all the files DisplayCal need is not showing the "unknown dev" popup anymore.
  6. Reboot Displaycal and you should see your monitor being recognized, yay. Pic for proof:
  7. then you have to put the wled pfs 99% p3 profile surrounded in black, then on the second photo measured by clicking on the chromatic wheel, note the measurement bead and applied as the video published by "artisright"

This literally saved me. Thank you so much.

I didn't use CTRL + Right click to force run files. I just kept the Privacy & Security panel open and approved any security request.

If you are trying this beware that you might have to do the calibrating process two times, as some permissions will be denied at the very end of it, and need approval.
 
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stuffx

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Feb 3, 2020
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So I just received my 14" M1 Max MacBook Pro and the first thing I like to do when I get a new Mac is to calibrate the display (they all skew very green to my eyes with the default factory color profile). But, I do not see an option for this as I do on my other Macs. I am not sure if this is due to the new MacBooks, or Monterey, but there is no longer a 'Color Profile' button in Display Preferences. In fact, the entire display preference pane is completely different. I can't figure out how to bring up the Display Calibrator Assistant. Am I missing something?

View attachment 1879634

Have you actually found any useful solution to calibrate the display? The yellowish display on 14" MBP is killing me.
 

Sowelu

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Have you actually found any useful solution to calibrate the display? The yellowish display on 14" MBP is killing me.
Unfortunately, I am still left with having to use my workaround that I outlined earlier in this thread - so I am using a color profile that suits my eyes, which are very sensitive to green shifts. I would rather lose some HDR functionality than to stare at a green/yellow dingy tinted display.

I was hoping that Apple would incorporate the ability to color calibrate using color profiles within the new preset functionality, but that doesn't seem to be the case. According to a (very nice) high level Apple Support rep (who I've been going back and forth with), Apple believes that the color calibration is so accurate and spot on from the factory, that they decided to removed this function from the XDR MacBook Pros. Imagine if Samsung or LG took that approach and had these limitations on their expensive high-end TVs?

I am wondering if Apple just couldn't make the two functions work side by side with these new displays, and this is the story they are sticking too. If this is not the case, their arrogance is just outrageous if they are doing this because only they know how colors should be displayed on the hardware that we purchase. Kind of like how they created some of the most awful icons for Big Sure and Monetary, but won't let users change them, because they think they are amazing, even though it looks like 5 different design teams created them.

So, Apple is relying on the accuracy of factory calibrations knowing full well that no two displays are exactly the same, and if you're sensitive to dingy display tints as I am, and you're not a photographer or video editor (who uses hardware calibration) and just want a vibrant and colorful display to work with, you're just out of luck if you want to retain the HDR functionality. But hey, all the pros say it's fine because the displays specs match the numbers on their hardware calibration devices, so no need for further discussion, it seems.

It has always baffled me how most people don't notice (or care) about the disproportionate and high level of green set with most displays these days, especially Apple's. And since most people would never even calibrate their displays, and probably have no idea that this option was even removed (or was hidden since it breaks some HDR functionality), Apple will most likely not bring this feature back for their HDR equipped Macs.

The idea that only photographers, video editors and 'creators' purchase pro machines is ridiculous, but this is Apple these days - very few options for the in-between crowd. I buy MacBook Pros for the higher end tech, the better displays, display size options, and design. Even if you're just doing what most wold consider to be heavy office work, light photo editing, heavy multitasking, media consumption, mega tabbed browsing and so on, you will still benefit from the added power, larger memory options, faster SSDs, bigger displays, and so on.
 
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KateClary

macrumors newbie
Dec 25, 2021
1
0
After tinkering around a bit, I think I found a workaround that will allow you to calibrate your MacBook Pro's XDR display using the built in Calibration Assistant…

The Display Calibration Assistant app is still sitting on your MacBook Pro's hard drive, and is located here:

View attachment 1881203

Go to this folder, locate the Display Calibrator app, hold down the Option key, then right click on this app and select ‘Open’ (this will launch the calibrator in Expert Mode).

Calibrate and save the newly created color profile as you normally would using the Display Calibration Assistant.

Now, launch the ColorSync Utility app in the Utilities folder, click on 'Devices' on the tool bar, then click the drop down arrow next to 'Displays' on the left side of that window.

Click on 'Color LCD' (this is the default profile that your MacBook Pro is currently using), and then go to the right side of that window, and click the drop down arrow next to 'Current Profile' and choose 'Other'.

View attachment 1881205

This will bring up the folder window where the default color profile (and now your newly created color profile) is saved. Select your newly created color profile and click 'Open'.

The system will bring up TouchID for authentication, but on my MacBook it just sort of hung there, so I chose ‘Use Password’ instead.

Your new profile should now be selected and will be the main color profile used until you create and select a new one using this same method, and process.

This has worked for me and has stayed put after a few restarts, so hopefully it works for you all as well.

Hopefully Apple addresses this soon. So many unnecessary steps when we could have just hit two or three buttons had they not removed (or hid) the Color Calibration Assistant and access to color profiles in the Display Preferences!

Oh Apple... ‘It just works!’
Sowelu, thank you for posting this. I just opened my new MacBook pro + have been going crazy for 2 days trying to fix this. I have a question - when I choose my new calibration by clicking 'open' in the last step, it will only flash the new calibration + then it goes back to the dingy green. How do you make it stick? I'm not getting an option to lock it in in any way. I saw that you said you had a pop up for authentication - mine isn't giving me that opportunity. I've also tried restarting multiple times + have done all updates, to no avail. I'm not tech-savvy at all so any guidance would be awesome. Please + thank you.
 

SiggyL

macrumors newbie
Dec 25, 2021
1
0
Yea, using the Colorsync Utility. I'm able to change to the icc profile I want and it asks for password. When I restart, the profile I chose is showing but colors are to the original icc profile. The only thing I'm changing is the white point which I like to set to around 9000.
Thank you, Sowelu, for showing how to adjust my display's colors. I am, however, having the same issue as above. I was able to create a new profile and select it using ColorSync Utility. When I restart, the display goes back to showing the original greenish hue which I also dislike. The profile I created is still selected, but I have to click on it again to see the actual color change on my screen. Has anyone else had this issue and found a solution?
 

dypeterc

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Mar 5, 2012
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The Photography profile seems to have the best color rendition (for my eyes). When looking at the color test charts that Apple refers to, the dynamic range looks the best (can see more shades of black and white) and white balance/tint is very neutral (no green or yellow cast). The only downside is that the brightness is locked.
 

ioshertz

macrumors newbie
Oct 11, 2012
2
1
After tinkering around a bit, I think I found a workaround that will allow you to calibrate your MacBook Pro's XDR display using the built in Calibration Assistant…

The Display Calibration Assistant app is still sitting on your MacBook Pro's hard drive, and is located here:

View attachment 1881203

Go to this folder, locate the Display Calibrator app, hold down the Option key, then right click on this app and select ‘Open’ (this will launch the calibrator in Expert Mode).

Calibrate and save the newly created color profile as you normally would using the Display Calibration Assistant.

Now, launch the ColorSync Utility app in the Utilities folder, click on 'Devices' on the tool bar, then click the drop down arrow next to 'Displays' on the left side of that window.

Click on 'Color LCD' (this is the default profile that your MacBook Pro is currently using), and then go to the right side of that window, and click the drop down arrow next to 'Current Profile' and choose 'Other'.

View attachment 1881205

This will bring up the folder window where the default color profile (and now your newly created color profile) is saved. Select your newly created color profile and click 'Open'.

The system will bring up TouchID for authentication, but on my MacBook it just sort of hung there, so I chose ‘Use Password’ instead.

Your new profile should now be selected and will be the main color profile used until you create and select a new one using this same method, and process.

This has worked for me and has stayed put after a few restarts, so hopefully it works for you all as well.

Hopefully Apple addresses this soon. So many unnecessary steps when we could have just hit two or three buttons had they not removed (or hid) the Color Calibration Assistant and access to color profiles in the Display Preferences!

Oh Apple... ‘It just works!’
I finally succeeded to make a icc profile with the hidden Calibrator but can't import it now - any ideas?
It stayed just a little after I created it and went back after I tried from the Displays...
What a **** they created... again!

EDIT

I got it - it's on the link I posted but I did't pay enough attention - after creating the icc file you can choose it form /Utilities/ColorSync app - Devices - Current Profile

Thanks to all!!!
 
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Mitchdoc

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Oct 23, 2014
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Check out XDR Tuner by @supercurio
He came out with a python script that allows you to create a modified color profile that works with the xdr calibration.
 
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imax05

macrumors member
Oct 16, 2010
41
6
Hi,
I‘m using a new mac book pro 16’’ M1 Max, and I own datacolor spyder X pro,
unfortunately I cannot use it for calibrate the monitor of the mac,
do you have a suggestion to make The calibration?
I’d like to not buy another hw calibrator or expensive software if it possibile..

thank you!
 

Heartex

macrumors member
Feb 14, 2013
51
8
Texas
I have the 2019 16in MacBook Pro and the new M1 16 in sitting side by side. I know everybody says the XDR M1 screen is so much better but my intel 2019 screen looks richer, more depth, color more saturated than any of the profiles of M1. I have tried calibration but still have not matched it. Is it just a matter of the right calibration? I don’t have external equipment to calibrate. Can any tell me where you are setting your white point at that you like the results?
 
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dbong

macrumors newbie
Jul 14, 2020
5
2
Has anyone at all gotten this to work across a restart? Just got a defective 16 MacBook Pro with severe brown screen tint. All is good except after a restart.
 

Executor

macrumors regular
Mar 1, 2008
158
167
NYC
I have the 2019 16in MacBook Pro and the new M1 16 in sitting side by side. I know everybody says the XDR M1 screen is so much better but my intel 2019 screen looks richer, more depth, color more saturated than any of the profiles of M1. I have tried calibration but still have not matched it. Is it just a matter of the right calibration? I don’t have external equipment to calibrate. Can any tell me where you are setting your white point at that you like the results?
I think this is because the XDR displays are showing a P3 Color space. While the UI for MacOS is designated for regular SRGB. Now, I am not a designer or know much about color spaces. So I am sure some forum members will explain it better than me. But your findings are the same as mine. My old laptops show richer colors than the new ones. However if you use the “sidecar color profile” with the color sync app you will notice that your colors will be vivid once again. Unfortunately that will not be a good color space if you are doing P3 work. But I like it because it pops and works well for me.
 

Heartex

macrumors member
Feb 14, 2013
51
8
Texas
I think this is because the XDR displays are showing a P3 Color space. While the UI for MacOS is designated for regular SRGB. Now, I am not a designer or know much about color spaces. So I am sure some forum members will explain it better than me. But your findings are the same as mine. My old laptops show richer colors than the new ones. However if you use the “sidecar color profile” with the color sync app you will notice that your colors will be vivid once again. Unfortunately that will not be a good color space if you are doing P3 work. But I like it because it pops and works well for me.
I looked in color sync and are you saying there is a sidecar color profile? I see other profiles that I can try but wanted to clarify what you are saying. Thanks
 

Executor

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Mar 1, 2008
158
167
NYC
I looked in color sync and are you saying there is a sidecar color profile? I see other profiles that I can try but wanted to clarify what you are saying. Thanks
Yes. There is a sidecar color profile. When I use it it brings back the vivid rich colors apple always had before. However, it doesn’t use the P3 color space. So that’s a downside if you need to work in P3 Color. I have an Apple 6K HDR display and when I got it the colors looked very dull. Just like you mentioned. Once I use the Apple sidecar color profile everything looks very rich and colorful. Unfortunately you have to choose whether you want rich colors or P3 color space. However it is easy enough to switch back and forth.
 

Heartex

macrumors member
Feb 14, 2013
51
8
Texas
I have looked and don't see a sidecar profile. The generic RGB is definitely an improvement. Wonder why mine does not have that profile?
 

dbong

macrumors newbie
Jul 14, 2020
5
2
Thanks everyone. I sent the damn thing back. Another Apple product not ready for prime time.
 

Executor

macrumors regular
Mar 1, 2008
158
167
NYC
I have looked and don't see a sidecar profile. The generic RGB is definitely an improvement. Wonder why mine does not have that profile?
I am not sure. My setup is an M1 Max Mac Book pro and a stand alone Apple XDR 6k Display. Perhaps that accounts for the difference. Apple really has to fix this tough. There should be way more options to easily adjust the display to the user’s personal preference.
 
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