iPhone iOS 11 is crap, don’t update !!!

[Septembersrain]

My device just tried to update me to iOS 11.1.2.

I'm utterly terrified if I update, it will not work right with my car. If that happened, my V30+ nor iPhone could be used in my car at all. I'd cry.

At least there isn't a badge icon somehow. Did I break it?

 

[C DM]

get the point right I wasn't saying there weren't a few weeks before stopped signing I said they were too quick to stop signing this year ... last year people had enough time to decide whether to stay or not unlike this year where you get locked out

What was the difference in timing between last year and this year (that made an impact as far as people having enough time to device)?

 

[Altis]

To be fair, while that might not play as big of a role for many, there are usually a few weeks right after a new version is released that people can go back to the previous version if they want to.

For major updates, yes there is a very short, undisclosed period of unknown and varying duration in which you can still activate the previous latest version of iOS provided you can get it installed.

I'm not sure if Apple even provides the files needed to do this or if they have to be sourced third-party, and they certainly don't advertise that it can be done or assist in the process. I'm not even sure it can be done without using iTunes on a computer.

 

[C DM]

For major updates, yes there is a very short, undisclosed period of unknown and varying duration in which you can still activate the previous latest version of iOS provided you can get it installed.

I'm not sure Apple even provides the files needed to do this or if they have to be sourced third-party, and they certainly don't advertise that it can be done or assist in the process. I'm not even sure it can be done without using iTunes on a computer.

You would certainly need iTunes and a computer and the files are definitely from Apple. As far as it not being advertised and without official documentation, as well as being indefinite/unknown, there's certainly all of that.

 

[Feenician]

but majority suffers lags and slowdowns so i don't really get what it is you're defending

The majority do? What’s your source (lol, like you have a source)

Moved on from the “Apple stopped signing too early” thing you completely made up now? Abandoned that flight of fantasy and on the next then?

 

[bashman2020]

For major updates, yes there is a very short, undisclosed period of unknown and varying duration in which you can still activate the previous latest version of iOS provided you can get it installed.

I'm not sure if Apple even provides the files needed to do this or if they have to be sourced third-party, and they certainly don't advertise that it can be done or assist in the process. I'm not even sure it can be done without using iTunes on a computer.

the process is what is called itunes restore when you do a restore it restored to the currently signed version

 

[Koh Phi Phi]

All I will say is that upgrading to iOS 11 has made my iPad Mini 2 painfully slow. Yes, I know: it is an old device, but it was perfectly smooth with iOS 10.3.

 

[bashman2020]

Majority?

How exactly questioning things and not just jumping on a bashing bandwagon suddenly defending? Things aren't somehow just black or white or this or that, just because someone isn't bashing doesn't mean someone is therefore defending.

just because you have the newer ios devices or your device is running smooth on ios 11 don't mean others don't have something bad that's afflicting them , you & your partner don't even have a say in this thread
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All I will say is that upgrading to iOS 11 has made my iPad Mini 2 painfully slow. Yes, I know: it is an old device, but it was perfectly smooth with iOS 10.3.

ios 11 has been a disaster for some of us particularly everyone with an old ios device of a year old to 4 years old !

 

[C DM]

just because you have the newer ios devices or your device is running smooth on ios 11 don't mean others don't have something bad that's afflicting them , you & your partner don't even have a say in this thread

I don't know of any partners (unless we are now referring to people with similar experiences as being partners somehow), but threads are discussions and if people are discussing experiences with something then those who have experiences with that something can certainly participate, as that is how discussions go.

So, let's perhaps get back to what was being discussed, as far as what the difference in timing was between this year and last year or other previous years (to make it meaningfully diffeent)?

 

[bashman2020]

My device just tried to update me to iOS 11.1.2.

I'm utterly terrified if I update, it will not work right with my car. If that happened, my V30+ nor iPhone could be used in my car at all. I'd cry.

At least there isn't a badge icon somehow. Did I break it?

downloaded doesn't mean it's installed you can decline to install or accept it's your choice just be very careful with future updates
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I don't know of any partners, but threads are discussions and if people are discussing experiences with something then those who have experiences with that something can certainly participate, as that is how discussions go.

So, let's perhaps get back to what was being discussed, as far as what the difference in timing was between this year and last year or other previous years (to make it meaningfully diffeent)?

well as it seems you're being biased here .. I think the best thing for you to do is get yourself an old ios device like the 6 or 6s and see what the experience is like running ios 11 then you'll know we ain't trolling here !

 

[C DM]

downloaded doesn't mean it's installed you can decline to install or accept it's your choice just be very careful with future updates
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well as it seems you're being biased here .. I think the best thing for you to do is get yourself an old ios device like the 6 or 6s and see what the experience is like running ios 11 then you'll know we ain't trolling here !

If I'm biased then so is everyone else by that measure. You realize that there have been comments about how bad iOS 11 is here even from those who have 7 Plus phones, just as there have been positive comments from those who have older phones like 6s and 6 and even 5s.

But, again, we were in the middle of a discussion where things turned down a tangent, so let's get back to what we were taking about: what was the difference in timing between this year and previous years when it came to signing of the previous version (as far as it affecting decisions for people)?

 

[bashman2020]

& that's why there's thread everywhere with complaints one or the other about ios 11 since ios 11 is perfection for some people (smh)

 

[Beeplance]

View attachment 738401 & that's why there's thread everywhere with complaints one or the other about ios 11 since ios 11 is perfection for some people (smh)

Err... This proves nothing?

Anyone with an internet connection can also go to Twitter and search for people complaining about iOS 10, iOS 9, iOS 8... etc. There will also be people complaining about Android Oreo, Lollipop and so on.

Your screenshot is indicative of nothing, because nothing is perfect and there are tons of people out there complaining about the slightest fault about everything.

If you’re trying to find evidence to back up your cause, please go and find better ones.

 

[bashman2020]

Err... This proves nothing?

Anyone with an internet connection can also go to Twitter and search for people complaining about iOS 10, iOS 9, iOS 8... etc. There will also be people complaining about Android Oreo, Lollipop and so on.

Your screenshot is indicative of nothing, because nothing is perfect and there are tons of people out there complaining about the slightest fault about everything.

If you’re trying to find evidence to back up your cause, please go and find better ones.

okay my screenshots with apple support isn't enough to prove that apple themselves knows about these issues

 

[dennysanders]

okay my screenshots with apple support isn't enough to prove that apple themselves knows about these issues

is anyone even arguing that there are no issues or that apple is unaware of them?

 

[Beeplance]

okay my screenshots with apple support isn't enough to prove that apple themselves knows about these issues

"Apple is working to solve issues" DOES NOT equal to "iOS 11 is crap". Doesn't take a genius to see the lack of correlation.

 

[bashman2020]

is anyone even arguing that there are no issues or that apple is unaware of them?

well there are people in this thread claiming that , you can ask them

 

[dennysanders]

well there are people in this thread claiming that , you can ask them

who is? quote them for me.

 

[FeliApple]

Regarding the recent discussion I think you are missing something: Can't some people have issues and be unlucky, and some other people have no issues? It has certainly happened in the past. Everyone does not have the same experience.
Also, some people may be less tolerant of even the slightest decrease in performance/slightest lag appearing - that wasn't present before - so they are unhappy, and they complain. It isn't wrong. As it isn't wrong to be perfectly happy with the update and the new features it introduces, even if - and I am not saying it unconditionally does - it introduces lag/slowdowns.
Both approaches are valid, and you don't have to attack the person who is unhappy, as you (you meaning every forum member) don't have to attack the person who is happy with the features and the update.
Debate enriches discussions, and differing opinions and experiences enrich them too.
I do not update because I am fearful of lags and issues, and I miss security updates and features, and it is a trade off I am willing to pay. And it is ok.
You do update because you are interested in security updates, features, and app compatibility. And it is ok too. We can only share experiences and opinions, but we shouldn't attack the one who has a different experience/opinion.

 

[I7guy]

well there are people in this thread claiming that , you can ask them

Saying IOS 11 is issue free or even a particular version of ios is issue free just isn't reality. (the definition of issue is fluid. My definition is result is correct or the action can't be completed. I discount visual and interface glitches. Having said that, still using the word "issue".) There certainly may be some issues that are bugs, some issues that only certain people are sensitive to, reports of issues that really aren't: but on the entirety of it where ios 11 is today is no different than where ios 10 was a year ago or ios 9 was two years ago, or ios 8 was three years ago. ios 8 was a banner low in quality of ios, sad to say.
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My device just tried to update me to iOS 11.1.2.

I'm utterly terrified if I update, it will not work right with my car. If that happened, my V30+ nor iPhone could be used in my car at all. I'd cry.

At least there isn't a badge icon somehow. Did I break it?

Your device won't auto-update. And you have to agree to the terms.

 

[FeliApple]

Saying IOS 11 is issue free or even a particular version of ios is issue free just isn't reality. There certainly may be some issues that are bugs, some issues that only certain people are sensitive to, reports of issues that really aren't: but on the entirety of it where ios 11 is today is no different than where ios 10 was a year ago or ios 9 was two years ago, or ios 8 was three years ago. ios 8 was a banner low in quality of ios, sad to say.

I didn't have many issues with late iOS versions iOS 7< (Mainly because I did not update, and stayed with the later versions of old iOS), but I do think you're right about one thing: Apple is taking longer to generally straighten out performance. I have iOS 6.0 on my iPod Touch 5G and it works flawlessly. I cannot say the same for iOS 7.0.2 for my iPad 4.

 

[C DM]

okay my screenshots with apple support isn't enough to prove that apple themselves knows about these issues

What happened to the discussion about the signing timing of previous version when the new one was released? You were so active in it and then just started avoiding it completely when claims were actually questioned.

 

[Radon87000]

What happened to the discussion about the signing timing of previous version when the new one was released? You were so active in it and then just started avoiding it completely when claims were actually questioned.

The better point is why is downgrade support not there for at least a year meaning once iOS 12 is released, stop signing iOS 10. Why is it immediately removed? Is Apple afraid their marketing chart will be ruined by the downgrades and they will be under more pressure to optimise new releases so people don't downgrade and ruin the chart?

 

[Septembersrain]

The better point is why is downgrade support not there for at least a year meaning once iOS 12 is released, stop signing iOS 10. Why is it immediately removed? Is Apple afraid their marketing chart will be ruined by the downgrades and they will be under more pressure to optimise new releases so people don't downgrade and ruin the chart?

I think it's about control. They don't call it a "Walled Garden" for nothing. It's frustrating but if people keep buying the product, they'll keep assuming it's fine. No matter how many of us complain online, on the store, etc...
Money talks.

 

[bashman2020]

Regarding the recent discussion I think you are missing something: Can't some people have issues and be unlucky, and some other people have no issues? It has certainly happened in the past. Everyone does not have the same experience.
Also, some people may be less tolerant of even the slightest decrease in performance/slightest lag appearing - that wasn't present before - so they are unhappy, and they complain. It isn't wrong. As it isn't wrong to be perfectly happy with the update and the new features it introduces, even if - and I am not saying it unconditionally does - it introduces lag/slowdowns.
Both approaches are valid, and you don't have to attack the person who is unhappy, as you (you meaning every forum member) don't have to attack the person who is happy with the features and the update.
Debate enriches discussions, and differing opinions and experiences enrich them too.
I do not update because I am fearful of lags and issues, and I miss security updates and features, and it is a trade off I am willing to pay. And it is ok.
You do update because you are interested in security updates, features, and app compatibility. And it is ok too. We can only share experiences and opinions, but we shouldn't attack the one who has a different experience/opinion.

thank you for clearing the air with this you've spoken the utmost truth idk how some set of people can start debasing folks with issues and totally saying we are wrong for speaking out on our bad experiences, do you think someone can just come up or frame up a bad ios experience just for nothing if we aren't actually experiencing them .. it doesn't make any sense !