iOS 9 vs iOS 8.4.1 unresponsiveness due to input-blocking

[Act3]

There are a few that have been like that, but mostly it's been the other way around.

Like I said , we all have our opinions.

 

[asv56kx3088]

iOS 7 on 5s was flawless? I guess we have different definitions of what "flawless" means.

I have an iPhone 5s with 7.1.2 on hand. UI-wise it's definitely smoother than 9.2.1 on 6s plus.

 

[Merkie]

I can't believe this discussion is still ongoing. iOS 9 has more frequent frame drops and lower fps than iOS 8. It's been proven plenty of times. Also the app lauch delay is bothersome.

If this has a negative impact on the user experience, that's for everyone to decide themselves.

 

[NoWayBehind]

Did you try 9.3 Beta 1 ? Still not perfect but MUCH better than 9.2 on my iPhone 6 and Air 2

 

[Radon87000]

So clearly it's iOS 9 and everyone has the same exact experince and those who are saying they aren't experiencing the same thing are either lying or are blind, right? Seems like this single post is essentially proof enough do debunk all that stuff.

Because the release version of Chrome does have lag for EVERYONE.The Chrome Dev team replied to my positive feedback that iOS 9 uses WKWebview for scrolling which was not implemented in the latest version which is why it lags for everyone

He's more referring to the fact that Radon has been going on and on and on and on about scroll stutter in a few apps (Chrome being one of them) and 100% blamed it on iOS 9 and could never accept the idea that it could be the apps themselves. And yet there he posts that a new version in the works for Chrome solves it entirely within that app. Man iOS 9 is so bad, how dare Apple not optimize 3rd party apps.

But the thing is iOS 8.4.1 had it all.Not only was the OS smooth but all apps had beautiful scrolling.Dont fix what isn't broken in the first place,Apple

 

[C DM]

Because the release version of Chrome does have lag for EVERYONE.The Chrome Dev team replied to my positive feedback that iOS 9 uses WKWebview for scrolling which was not implemented in the latest version which is why it lags for everyone

But the thing is iOS 8.4.1 had it all.Not only was the OS smooth but all apps had beautiful scrolling.Dont fix what isn't broken in the first place,Apple

And yet that was your proof that iOS 9 has issues. It certainly turned out to be proof, proof that there's quite a bit of bias, exaggeration, and just incorrect assumptions that have been going on in many instances.

 

[sanke1]

Yes.Because the release version of Chrome does have lag for EVERYONE.The Chrome Dev team replied to my positive feedback that iOS 9 uses WKWebview for scrolling which was not implemented in the latest version which is why it lags for everyone

But the thing is iOS 8.4.1 had it all.Not only was the OS smooth but all apps had beautiful scrolling.Dont fix what isn't broken in the first place,Apple

I mentioned the same "don't fix if it ain't broken" comment and someone said that they have purposely borked their own code to enable future proofing. This will be a long term effort to push "metal based" APIs. I think that conclusion is pure apologist talk.

If they break smoothscrolling in so many Apps like Chrome, WhatsApp, it really comes across as sloppy. Most developers were not even aware of the API change.

The control center, Cellular data menu stutters are all related to scrolling code. If first party (Apple) cannot get smoothness right, why should we expect third parties to get it perfect?

Mark my words. We will be left with this unoptimized mess that is iOS 9 and then, Apple will announce how iOS 10 is the "Holy Grail" of smoothness. Wait! didn't they imply the same at the time of iOS 9?

 

[Radon87000]

Spoiling what for whom? I happen to like the "touted" Apple experience on all my devices. I can't speak for the masses, we'll know after the next earnings call.

This stutter thing is way overblown. I do not care if cc stutters, Netflix, streaming apps, safari yes.

Youtube?Facebook?Instagram?Tapatalk?Inbox? .They all have scroll stutter while on the other hand Chrome beta is smoother than Safari in contrast.So you don't care?
BTW the masses have already conveyed their message in their earnings call .

 

[I7guy]

Youtube?Facebook?Instagram?Tapatalk?Inbox? .They all have scroll stutter while on the other hand Chrome beta is smoother than Safari in contrast.So you don't care?
BTW the masses have already conveyed their message in their earnings call .

The devs have to update their apps. What more is there?

And yes, 22% revenue growth was impressive.

 

[Radon87000]

The devs have to update their apps. What more is there?

And yes, 22% revenue growth was impressive.

And what we as the users are supposed to do when they don't.Like it or not the state and quality of apps does reflect as a part of the OS quality.iOS is also popular than Android because unlike Android's Java apps,iOS apps run in native code and are supposed to be faster which they were in 8.4.1 and now they are lagging behind Android.How does this reflect on the user overall?

Also the sales of iPhone are declining.Not good news I would say

 

[C DM]

Youtube?Facebook?Instagram?Tapatalk?Inbox? .They all have scroll stutter while on the other hand Chrome beta is smoother than Safari in contrast.So you don't care?
BTW the masses have already conveyed their message in their earnings call .

Best quarter ever?

 

[Act3]

Spin it how you like

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/26/apple-expects-first-ever-iphone-sales-decline/

"Apple forecasts that its total revenue in Q2 2016 will be between $50 and $53 billion, compared to $58 billion in the year-ago quarter, signaling the company's first year-over-year drop in revenue in thirteen years. Apple has posted over 50 quarters of year-over-year revenue growth since 2003. "

 

[I7guy]

And what we as the users are supposed to do when they don't.Like it or not the state and quality of apps does reflect as a part of the OS quality.iOS is also popular than Android because unlike Android's Java apps,iOS apps run in native code and are supposed to be faster which they were in 8.4.1 and now they are lagging behind Android.How does this reflect on the user overall?

Also the sales of iPhone are declining.Not good news I would say

An apt analogy would like owning a Ferrari and buying a sub-par tire and then blaming Ferrari for the lack of performance.

Apple reports record results 18B in profits on 76B revenue. But nice spin.

The masses have spoken.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-74-8m-iphones.1952928/page-9#post-22508408

 

[Radon87000]

An apt analogy would like owning a Ferrari and buying a sub-par tire and then blaming Ferrari for the lack of performance.

Apple reports record results 18B in profits on 76B revenue. But nice spin.

The masses have spoken.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-74-8m-iphones.1952928/page-9#post-22508408

Except in this case it's Apple's App Store.Apple has a responsibility to maintain a level of quality as is expected from previous versions of the OS which were perfect like 8.4.1.If I buy the tire from Ferrari's store I will hold them accountable for its performance as well

What's the use of those record profits when their cash cow itself is showing declines?Its obviously unsustainable

 

[I7guy]

Except in this case it's Apple's App Store.Apple has a responsibility to maintain a level of quality as is expected from previous versions of the OS which were perfect like 8.4.1.If I buy the tire from Ferrari's store I will hold them accountable for its performance as well

What's the use of those record profits when their cash cow itself is showing declines?Its obviously unsustainable

Apple didn't write the code and its up to the devs to keep their projects current. In the Ferrari example if there was a problem the manufacturer of the tire is in the hook, not Ferrari. Ferrari would be the agent that effects the replacement.

As I said nice spin in the face of records being broken. I guess Apple is crying all the way to the bank that their empire is crumbling. Eh?

 

[Jayson A]

Apple didn't write the code and its up to the devs to keep their projects current. In the Ferrari example if there was a problem the manufacturer of the tire is in the hook, not Ferrari. Ferrari would be the agent that effects the replacement.

As I said nice spin in the face of records being broken. I guess Apple is crying all the way to the bank that their empire is crumbling. Eh?

What about me? I'm using ALL stock Apple apps, so there technically shouldn't be any performance issues with my iPhone right? My stuttering has nothing to do with any other third party apps because I have no 3rd party apps.

Figure that one out.

 

[I7guy]

What about me? I'm using ALL stock Apple apps, so there technically shouldn't be any performance issues with my iPhone right? My stuttering has nothing to do with any other third party apps because I have no 3rd party apps.

Figure that one out.

I haven't seen any stuttering on iPad 2, 5s, 6 or 6s in any stock apps that I use frequently. Where are you seeing stuttering? I'm sure there is some hidden somewhere or another.

 

[Act3]

Apple didn't write the code and its up to the devs to keep their projects current. In the Ferrari example if there was a problem the manufacturer of the tire is in the hook, not Ferrari. Ferrari would be the agent that effects the replacement.

As I said nice spin in the face of records being broken. I guess Apple is crying all the way to the bank that their empire is crumbling. Eh?

down 5% at the open this morning... not sure how you can say yesterdays news was postive when the iphone drives the revenue and they expect the first decline in sales this quarter

 

[I7guy]

down 5% at the open this morning... not sure how you can say yesterdays news was postive when the iphone drives the revenue and they expect the first decline in sales this quarter

So you are going to look at minute by minute trends of Apple and make a prediction on one day opening in a down market?

 

[Act3]

So you are going to look at minute by minute trends of Apple and make a prediction on one day opening in a down market?

nope but when the Apple executives themselves are predicting the first drop in revenue in nearly 13 years, that isn't very postive,

 

[I7guy]

nope but when the Apple executives themselves are predicting the first drop in revenue in nearly 13 years, that isn't very postive,

Okay, in the meantime the company did better yoy than most other companies on the face of the earth. The take away is that might have a "normal" quarter. This is still not going to change anything.

 

[C DM]

down 5% at the open this morning... not sure how you can say yesterdays news was postive when the iphone drives the revenue and they expect the first decline in sales this quarter

It's down often after almost any earnings or product announcement.

 

[Jayson A]

I haven't seen any stuttering on iPad 2, 5s, 6 or 6s in any stock apps that I use frequently. Where are you seeing stuttering? I'm sure there is some hidden somewhere or another.

I see stuttering everywhere. In the app switcher, launching apps, control center, scrolling, the list goes on and on. Also, sometimes it will leave out a whole section of frames so that you only see the tail end of the animation and the whole beginning is missing.

I realize that you cannot perceive these drops, so you're gonna tell me I'm wrong and that iOS 9 is the best iOS ever made. I get it. You like iOS 9, but I think it could perform animations better.

My claims are based on 9.2.1 by the way. I tried 9.3 beta 1 and it's a big step in the right direction (especially on my iPad mini 4), so I'm curious to see where they go from here and how the final version will be. However, we all know that betas can change (for better OR for worse), so I'm not holding my breath.

 

[I7guy]

I see stuttering everywhere. In the app switcher, launching apps, control center, scrolling, the list goes on and on. Also, sometimes it will leave out a whole section of frames so that you only see the tail end of the animation and the whole beginning is missing.

I realize that you cannot perceive these drops, so you're gonna tell me I'm wrong and that iOS 9 is the best iOS ever made. I get it. You like iOS 9, but I think it could perform animations better.

My claims are based on 9.2.1 by the way. I tried 9.3 beta 1 and it's a big step in the right direction (especially on my iPad mini 4), so I'm curious to see where they go from here and how the final version will be. However, we all know that betas can change (for better OR for worse), so I'm not holding my breath.

I'm using the word "seen" in a holistic sense. Not meaning "not perceived" meaning "non-existent" in most critical places, sic. I already agreed the cell screen stutters on my 6s when scrolling slow.

 

[TC03]

I think 9.3 beta 2 so far solves a lot of issues. It just feels more responsive, hard to put my finger on it why, but it does.

Not all, however:
- The app opening delay should really be fixed soon.
- The framerate for opening and closing apps is still tricky.