iOS 9 vs iOS 8.4.1 unresponsiveness due to input-blocking

[Radon87000]

Apple didn't write the code and its up to the devs to keep their projects current. In the Ferrari example if there was a problem the manufacturer of the tire is in the hook, not Ferrari. Ferrari would be the agent that effects the replacement.

As I said nice spin in the face of records being broken. I guess Apple is crying all the way to the bank that their empire is crumbling. Eh?

When Ferrari replaces my tire,the experience I receive whether positive or negative is going to be blamed on Ferrari irrespective of who made the tire.Same as how Apple was blamed for Samsung's chipset having lower battery than TSMC.Like it or not the average Joe is going to blame scroll stutter which occurs on every 3rd party app on iOS 9

Okay, in the meantime the company did better yoy than most other companies on the face of the earth. The take away is that might have a "normal" quarter. This is still not going to change anything.

Let me break it down for you.Apple's huge profits are mainly due to their 40% margin on the iPhone which drives 2/3rd of their sales.If the sales of the iPhone decline,that means they have to either reduce their margin to maintain demand or risk lowering their revenue bit by bit due to low demand.This revenue is all possible only because of the iPhone which is declining and this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
Apple is now desperate to save face which is why to get those 60% iPhone users stuck on 5s or later to upgrade they are releasing the 5se.At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they amped up their planned obsolescence strategy via software to force those users to upgrade

It's down often after almost any earnings or product announcement.

Except they had a record on the iPhone past year

 

[I7guy]

When Ferrari replaces my tire,the experience I receive whether positive or negative is going to be blamed on Ferrari irrespective of who made the tire.Same as how Apple was blamed for Samsung's chipset having lower battery than TSMC.Like it or not the average Joe is going to blame scroll stutter which occurs on every 3rd party app on iOS 9


Let me break it down for you.Apple's huge profits are mainly due to their 40% margin on the iPhone which drives 2/3rd of their sales.If the sales of the iPhone decline,that means they have to either reduce their margin to maintain demand or risk lowering their revenue bit by bit due to low demand.This revenue is all possible only because of the iPhone which is declining and this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
Apple is now desperate to save face which is why to get those 60% iPhone users stuck on 5s or later to upgrade they are releasing the 5se.At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they amped up their planned obsolescence strategy via software to force those users to upgrade

Except they had a record on the iPhone past year

Okay, let me make it simpler. You go to target and buy clothing, the clothing is defective, do you blame target? Does that reflect badly on target? I don't know about you and your circles, but for example, when facebook app goes awry, my wife doesn't blame, ios or apple. First she points the finger at the internet then facebook.

As far as your financial analysis that you so nicely "broke down" for me, it's out of your control (and mine also)...you can put any spin you want on it. Even with a "down" quarter they have 160B in the bank. That's 160 billion. They are just going to be fine and they will do what's best for a majority of their customers.

 

[Radon87000]

Okay, let me make it simpler. You go to target and buy clothing, the clothing is defective, do you blame target? Does that reflect badly on target? I don't know about you and your circles, but for example, when facebook app goes awry, my wife doesn't blame, ios or apple. First she points the finger at the internet then facebook.

As far as your financial analysis that you so nicely "broke down" for me, it's out of your control (and mine also)...you can put any spin you want on it. Even with a "down" quarter they have 160B in the bank. That's 160 billion. They are just going to be fine and they will do what's best for a majority of their customers.

Your analogy is not even similar at this point as almost all apps on the App Store which I use have scroll stutter.So if the majority of products you buy from a retail store or manufacturer are not living up to quality standards,you will blame them,yes.

That was not my financial analysis.It was written by an expert on 9to5mac,a noted Apple fan site,again.

 

[I7guy]

Your analogy is not even similar at this point as almost all apps on the App Store which I use have scroll stutter.So if the majority of products you buy from a retail store or manufacturer are not living up to quality standards,you will blame them,yes.

That was not my financial analysis.It was written by an expert on 9to5mac,a noted Apple fan site,again.

The analogy is spot on. If most of my apps are perfect and one isn't, it's the apps fault.

And I trust Goldman Sachs recommendations before some others. At any rate it still doesn't matter because Apple is going to do what it's going to do.

 

[teknikal90]

holy cow you guys have some serious keyboard dueling endurance

 

[I7guy]

holy cow you guys have some serious keyboard dueling endurance

Yeah, the thread has probably run its course as the poster already admitted the stuttering is an app issue.

 

[Jayson A]

The analogy is spot on. If most of my apps are perfect and one isn't, it's the apps fault.

And I trust Goldman Sachs recommendations before some others. At any rate it still doesn't matter because Apple is going to do what it's going to do.

If I buy a product and a software update degrades the experience not even a year later, then yes, I will complain.

What about us that don't use third party software. I find that safari handles almost any task that I need. I use Apple's software and that's it. I still get stutters in a lot of places. That is APPLES fault.

 

[I7guy]

If I buy a product and a software update degrades the experience not even a year later, then yes, I will complain.

What about us that don't use third party software. I find that safari handles almost any task that I need. I use Apple's software and that's it. I still get stutters in a lot of places. That is APPLES fault.

Jayson, you get stutters in Safari? I totally got the cc stutters for some on some devices and there are places within IOS (like the cellular menu) that exhibits stutters. I am by no means saying it's perfect, but it's not the rotten tomato that's it's been made out to be for at least some on this forum.

 

[Jayson A]

Jayson, you get stutters in Safari? I totally got the cc stutters for some on some devices and there are places within IOS (like the cellular menu) that exhibits stutters. I am by no means saying it's perfect, but it's not the rotten tomato that's it's been made out to be for at least some on this forum.

But you see where I'm coming from. I expected something that was at least on par with iOS 8. Especially since apple touted performance GAINS for iOS 9 and we see mostly performance drops.

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah, the thread has probably run its course as the poster already admitted the stuttering is an app issue.

Uh not really.Because animations Still stutter on iOS 9 compared to 8.4.1

 

[sanke1]

OMG !! did just I7guy finally admit that he gets stutters too in all those places he mentioned?

I think there is no need to further debate on stutters and lag.

This thread and all the other lag and stutter threads have finally come to logical conclusion.

Now ... Apple get on your a$$ and fix this in iOS 10.

Slightly offtopic: Has anyone noticed Android apps are starting to get updated faster and sooner than iOS counterparts?
Their quality has also gone up drastically and some apps like m-Indicator and Vodafone are actually better on Android compared to iOS.

 

[Ashin]

OMG !! did just I7guy finally admit that he gets stutters too in all those places he mentioned?

I think there is no need to further debate on stutters and lag.

This thread and all the other lag and stutter threads have finally come to logical conclusion.

Now ... Apple get on your a$$ and fix this in iOS 10.

Slightly offtopic: Has anyone noticed Android apps are starting to get updated faster and sooner than iOS counterparts?
Their quality has also gone up drastically and some apps like m-Indicator and Vodafone are actually better on Android compared to iOS.

Tried iOS9.3b2 ?

On my 5S I would say it's almost as good as iOS8.4.1... a few micro stutters here and there, but nothing major like the first iterations of iOS9.

I'm just not sure why it will have taken so many releases of iOS9 to actually make it worthwhile to use from a user experience point of view

 

[C DM]

Tried iOS9.3b2 ?

On my 5S I would say it's almost as good as iOS8.4.1... a few micro stutters here and there, but nothing major like the first iterations of iOS9.

I'm just not sure why it will have taken so many releases of iOS9 to actually make it worthwhile to use from a user experience point of view

It took a similar amount of time to get most things sorted out with iOS 7 and 8.

 

[sanke1]

Tried iOS9.3b2 ?

On my 5S I would say it's almost as good as iOS8.4.1... a few micro stutters here and there, but nothing major like the first iterations of iOS9.

I'm just not sure why it will have taken so many releases of iOS9 to actually make it worthwhile to use from a user experience point of view

I am on beta 2

My 6S plus is smooth for most part but after 2 days, CC and NC start to stutter. Reboot fixes it and it is smooth for again 2 more days. This was on fresh DFU install from 9.3 b2 IPSW with phone set up as new.

6S, Air 2 and iPad Pro level hardware stuttering on iOS 9 means Apple does have a big problem at their hands.

 

[Ashin]

I am on beta 2

My 6S plus is smooth for most part but after 2 days, CC and NC start to stutter. Reboot fixes it and it is smooth for again 2 more days. This was on fresh DFU install from 9.3 b2 IPSW with phone set up as new.

6S, Air 2 and iPad Pro level hardware stuttering on iOS 9 means Apple does have a big problem at their hands.

I know this sounds odd, but have you tried hiding the Clock app into a folder?

My CC lagged until I hid it.

 

[Zirel]

Slightly offtopic: Has anyone noticed Android apps are starting to get updated faster and sooner than iOS counterparts?
Their quality has also gone up drastically and some apps like m-Indicator and Vodafone are actually better on Android compared to iOS.

What?

Even Google Apps on Android are worse than on iOS.

Seriously? That's ridiculous!

Everyone knows that! They had the current version Google Maps and Hangouts first on iOS than on Android.

And those are only Google Apps…

 

[Vexxx]

Yeah, the thread has probably run its course as the poster already admitted the stuttering is an app issue.

Issue still exists and has nothing to do with apps.

 

[I7guy]

Issue still exists and has nothing to do with apps.

Is that why the poster said app was smooth after beta update?

 

[Ulenspiegel]

Reading all the threads that had to with iOS 9, I was very sceptical. When bought my second iPhone it was delivered with 9.2. and it seemed smoother than 8.3 on my other phone. After the update to 9.2.1 it still works well. I will compare both for some time, though.

 

[Zirel]

Reading all the threads that had to with iOS 9, I was very sceptical. When bought my second iPhone it was delivered with 9.2. and it seemed smoother than 8.3 on my other phone. After the update to 9.2.1 it still works well. I will compare both for some time, though.

Of course, the issue is made up by a few.

 

[lagwagon]

Of course, the issue is made up by a few.

The issue isn't necessarily made up. iOS 9 does stutter in some areas sometimes. But so did 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. So nothing really new.

The real issue is the exaggeration made by those few. In how it "completely cripples" everything released 2014 and older. They hyper focus on such a trivial thing and literally spend every waking moment being so angry about it. Just look at Radon. Right around 1000 posts and I wouldn't doubt if 99% of them have the word lag in them or some other "lag" complaint. It's quite hilarious actually that he spends so much of his time and effort on a singular topic. I don't think he's even contributed to the forums at all in any helpful way ever. To him I bet he would finally get some sleep if iOS was 100fps at all times no matter what but was unstable and crashed a lot. Because fps is THE most important thing in life.

 

[I7guy]

I am on beta 2

My 6S plus is smooth for most part but after 2 days, CC and NC start to stutter. Reboot fixes it and it is smooth for again 2 more days. This was on fresh DFU install from 9.3 b2 IPSW with phone set up as new.

6S, Air 2 and iPad Pro level hardware stuttering on iOS 9 means Apple does have a big problem at their hands.

Actually means it's a minor problem. Once they get to the underlying code that causes the alleged issue (only noticed by a select few), it will be fixed for all time.

 

[lagwagon]

Actually means it's a minor problem. Once they get to the underlying code that causes the alleged issue (only noticed by a select few), it will be fixed for all time.

Until iOS 10 goes into beta. Then iOS 9 will be the new pinnacle of PERFECT and iOS 10 is laggy and planned obsolescence.

 

[Zirel]

Just look at Radon.

Word of advice, don't bother with names.

I've been rewarded with a "reminder from the moderator team" because of that.

 

[Jayson A]

iOS has never stuttered on the newest Apple hardware until iOS 9 came out. If the iPad Pro stutters on iOS 9, there's a problem with iOS 9.

My brand new iPad mini 4 stutters like crazy with the app switcher and launching apps. That SHOULDN'T happen on a brand new device. There's nothing I can do about it. Just gotta live with it until Apple decides to optimize the OS better.