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sanke1

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I'll make a better one next time. A couple Missed taps do to awkwardness of having to film with one hand and the 5s being in the display holder at the store. But for most part very smooth going in and out of apps have icons docked in tray. I'll try and get a video of it with reduced motion on to compare with the videos of 9.1 and 8.4.1 and there responsiveness. Edit: never mind I forgot 7.0 doesn't have a reduced motion option that actually kills the animations.

Ive had air 2 since November 2014 , andwhen it was running with its native 8.1 , I never had any problems with taps not registering.
Good god!! The smoothness is amazing.
 

trifid

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CMD is right. This discussion is going on since iOS 7. Probably the first version that started throwing away touch input from the user in certain areas. If you're interested, last year Omni Group Lead UI designer explained the phenomenon in a detailed post at http://metalbat.com/post/visible-ui-had-better-respond-to-input-right-away/. He also made a Youtube comparison:


I have the feeling, that Apple constantly tweaks this behavior. It was a bit better with last version of iOS 8 (8.4.1) and reached imo another low with iOS 9. But it can't really trace the whole input change, because there is no proper documentation in the release notes or the dev center. I don't know if there are to many users complaints about unintended input, or if this a metal rendering or battery management problem. But it affects my day to day usage in a negative way. When i noticed it for the first time noticed with the new 5S, i thought my display was broken. By now i have adapted to the new way, but i still don't like it.

Wow that's extremely insightful, thank you. I had seen that video before and couldn't find it again to reference it. I actually experience all of that input blocking as well, it's extremely annoying but I guess like most iPhone users we've gotten somewhat used to it.

There is another case where I find it annoying: the rubber-banding animation. Many times I'd scroll up/down to end of a list and immediately tap an item, and this won't register until the rubber-band is done animating. Extremely annoying.
 

Narcaz

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Wow that's extremely insightful, thank you. I had seen that video before and couldn't find it again to reference it. I actually experience all of that input blocking as well, it's extremely annoying but I guess like most iPhone users we've gotten somewhat used to it.

There is another case where I find it annoying: the rubber-banding animation. Many times I'd scroll up/down to end of a list and immediately tap an item, and this won't register until the rubber-band is done animating. Extremely annoying.

I understand that those little details can be annoying for some people. Especially when they are so inconsistent across iOS devices and versions. The rubber band animation tap relation is indeed weird. And the changed scrolling behavior doesn't really help. It feels so strange that the inertia scrolling is active in Settings App on the iPhone, but not on Safari (in contrast to the iPad). They probably found out that consumers like it better that way, but they should at least put it in the release notes, so other people stop wondering and writing bug reports.

And the responsivity and consistency problems don't end there. I think Apple didn't do themselves a favor with the assignment of 3D touch to certain functions: e.g. the swipe select keyboard on the 6S/+. It worked well with two fingers on the iPhone/iPad during the iOS 9 beta. Now i find myself occasionally either pressing harder on my iPad screen or tapping with two fingers on my iPhone. Muscle memory is hard to beat. All other 3D Touch functions are at least restricted to the iPhone only or can be achieved with a different well established input (e.g. double press homebutton for multitasking), so i can choose to ignore them and use the "classic" way. I really hope they sort those things (and long press hiccups) out before expanding 3D touch even further.
 
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I'll make a better one next time. A couple Missed taps do to awkwardness of having to film with one hand and the 5s being in the display holder at the store. But for most part very smooth going in and out of apps have icons docked in tray. I'll try and get a video of it with reduced motion on to compare with the videos of 9.1 and 8.4.1 and there responsiveness. Edit: never mind I forgot 7.0 doesn't have a reduced motion option that actually kills the animations.

Ive had air 2 since November 2014 , andwhen it was running with its native 8.1 , I never had any problems with taps not registering.

Imo ios 8 and 9 made it worse, 7.1.2 is the best ios version since new design :)
 
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selective memories ... I was here and I remember the mess about "slow animations" on iOS 7 after release.
Drama queens all over the forum, Apple is doomed, back to Android .... almost the same with iOS 8.
Today we are seeing the same for iOS 9. At least some complainers here seem to be more reasonable. :D

Who are you referring to as "drama queens"? Those complaining or those who say it as smooth as can be or both groups of forum posters ?
 

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Here's my video from awhile back with my 6 on 8.4.1. I never should have updated to 9.1. I've trained myself to wait for the animations but man I miss how responsive iOS was before 9!!!

You should see how much better they were before iOS 7.
 

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You should see how much better they were before iOS 7.


I'd like to see a video from before 7. His video is pretty freaking smooth. Not sure I would notice faster response with the tap recognition in a video. I would bet the difference between 8.4.1 and 9.1 or 9.2 b4 is much more evident.
 
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Radon87000

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Here's my video from awhile back with my 6 on 8.4.1. I never should have updated to 9.1. I've trained myself to wait for the animations but man I miss how responsive iOS was before 9!!!

And this is why iOS 8.4.1 was the best iOS ever for the 6.Not a trace of lag in that video and honestly the response times are off the charts.Just look at that phone go!And yet there are apologists excusing The **** Apple did to that phone in iOS 9
 

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And this is why iOS 8.4.1 was the best iOS ever for the 6.Not a trace of lag in that video and honestly the response times are off the charts.Just look at that phone go!And yet there are apologists excusing The **** Apple did to that phone in iOS 9
Some of us see 8.4.1 for what it wasn't. Yeah the video shows it to be smooth, but it wasn't apples best work by a long shot. IOS 9 for some may be smoother, but it's a whole lot more stable.
 
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Who are you referring to as "drama queens"? Those complaining or those who say it as smooth as can be or both groups of forum posters ?
Never seen people opening threads about how smooth iOS is, in any version. So no "drama queens" in that category....

Some of us see 8.4.1 for what it wasn't. Yeah the video shows it to be smooth, but it wasn't apples best work by a long shot. IOS 9 for some may be smoother, but it's a whole lot more stable.
This. If only people would take a look at the error logs section of iOS 7 and iOS 9 instead of searching for a few frames drop ....
 

kapp2

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And this is why iOS 8.4.1 was the best iOS ever for the 6.Not a trace of lag in that video and honestly the response times are off the charts.Just look at that phone go!And yet there are apologists excusing The **** Apple did to that phone in iOS 9

7.1.2 was alot better :) 8.4.1 had delays, same with 9.1 right now
 

Radon87000

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Some of us see 8.4.1 for what it wasn't. Yeah the video shows it to be smooth, but it wasn't apples best work by a long shot. IOS 9 for some may be smoother, but it's a whole lot more stable.
I disagree.My iPad and iPhone didnt crash in 9 months I owned them.Therefore iOS 9 did a heavy compromise for me.That video is the iPhone 6 I bought and loved which actually performed like a flagship
 

sanke1

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Some of us see 8.4.1 for what it wasn't. Yeah the video shows it to be smooth, but it wasn't apples best work by a long shot. IOS 9 for some may be smoother, but it's a whole lot more stable.
@Radon87000 is talking about response times and stutter of iOS 9 compared to iOS 8.4.1

No one is discrediting iOS 9. iOS 9 is better in individual apps like improved safari, notes, weather.

When someone says "iOS 9 is stuttery compared to iOS 7 and 8."
Your reply is "But iOS 9 is stable"

When people go into specifics of UI lag and stutter, you constantly harp on how iOS 9 is Apple's best shot.

In short people are complaining about one thing and you are arguing with them saying something else is better.

Hate to point it out to everyone but you sir have lost the plot.
 
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7.1.2 was alot better :) 8.4.1 had delays, same with 9.1 right now

I disagree from what I remember and from what I can view on video as far as delays when comparing 8.4.1 and 9.1. They are far from the same as in responsiveness to user input. Watch imaginadam's video in this thread and try to make any iOS 9.1 device respond as quickly as that iPhone running 8.4.1, it can't be done.
 
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selective memories ... I was here and I remember the mess about "slow animations" on iOS 7 after release.
Drama queens all over the forum, Apple is doomed, back to Android .... almost the same with iOS 8.
Today we are seeing the same for iOS 9. At least some complainers here seem to be more reasonable. :D
Why do you call those people drama queens? They were right! Apple did fix it in 7.1 eventually, remember?
 

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Stop exaggerating.It NEVER crashed a single time for me and I own 3 iDevices
lol .... speaking about selective memories.
Google a little bit about iOS 7 crashes, dude.

I'm perhaps the biggest iOS defender of the forum, but seeing someone saying that iOS 7 never crashed a single time just tu fulfill his agenda is hilarious.
 

Radon87000

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lol .... speaking about selective memories.
Google a little bit about iOS 7 crashes, dude.

I'm perhaps the biggest iOS defender of the forum, but seeing someone saying that iOS 7 never crashed a single time just tu fulfill his agenda is hilarious.
I dont know about iOS 7.I am talking 8.1 and above as I am new to Apple
 

kapp2

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I disagree from what I remember and from what I can view on video as far as delays when comparing 8.4.1 and 9.1. They are far from the same as in responsiveness to user input. Watch imaginadam's video in this thread and try to make any iOS 9.1 device respond as quickly as that iPhone running 8.4.1, it can't be done.

You missunderstand me. im trying to say, 8.4.1 and 9.1, just dont run great as 7.1.2 :)
 

Narcaz

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Yea the animation seems faster but the icon tap recognition/ responsiveness really didn't seem different for the few times the person launched apps. However when comparing a video of 8.4.1 to 9.1 the difference of icon tap recognition is very noticeable.

I just wanted to point out two things with the blog/video reference. First the input blocking phenomenon is broader than just launching apps. Of course it's very noticeable for some users in that area and somehow worse in iOS 9.1. But it also affects switching back forward/scrolling etc. And Apple seems to go back and forward since iOS 7 with the tap sensitivity/animation fading for no apparent reason. Same happened also with the caps lock/shift button on the keyboard until they finally decided to offer an option for lower case letters.

And second back in the days iOS made the system feel faster when the hardware was actually very slow. He compares his iPhone 6 with his original iPhone (1!) on iOS 3. Incredible difference in terms of CPU/GPU performance. The original iPhone is barely capable of rendering the UI animations and takes its time for starting apps, but the systems creates the illusion of speed. It feels responsive. It doesn't mean iOS 3 was the holy grail in terms of smoothness and i doubt the older hardware could ever achieve it, but the software did a better job of hiding the hardware shortcomings. And certainly hardware shortcomings shouldn't be a problem by now.

At least it would be easier if Apple documented their changes or give the user options in settings. It might be possible that the current design should prevent unintended user errors or it is somehow more efficient battery management (deactivating the touch layer), but they never communicated this or any other advantage. So far it feels like a bad design decision and i don't know if i should continue writing bug reports, if the app developer is at fault or whats wrong with my device after an update or if they actually intended it that way for whatever reason (than why they keep tweaking it constantly?!).
 
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