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shuvia666

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I visited another Apple Store and check their iPad 12.9 M2 with the newest os, a little bit of blurryness when scrolling but the yellow smearing is not present.

 

papbot

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Was True Tone on or off?
When I played around with the settings I found True Tone, on or off made little difference. Night shift on worsened the problem. But in that video if I’m not mistaken that’s a gray background. For me this issue is most noticeable with white text on a black background such as Macrumors dark mode or in dark mode in Mail or any other app that has a black background with white text.

On Macrumors using Noir, instead of its dark setting, to create a gray background with night shift off it’s barely noticeable or gone completely.

I’ve gone back and looked at the other videos and they look gray to me as well so maybe it’s just the camera that caused me to think it’s a gray background instead of black. But with both night shift and dark mode on the issue is very pronounced as many have stated. It bothered me so much on this forum that I turned the dark setting back to light and use the Noir app to apply a gray background and even with night shift on it’s very faint to where I really have to focus to detect any problem.
 
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sdp77

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I have paid more attention last night and, turns out, my smearing is red, not yellow. It is very pronounced though, no matter whether it's black or white background.
 

hippopotamusglorypig

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They're just very slow displays! It's possible they switched panel suppliers between the M1 an2 M2 12.9 so the issue is more pronounced, but even on my old 11", it wasn't hard to get it to smear under certain circumstances. Zooming into text and scrolling, for instance, would quickly turn into a smear-fest.

Edit: For context, you need an 8ms response time to keep up with a 120hz refresh rate. Apple displays are closer to 40ms - 100ms, hence the artifacts.
 
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I visited another Apple Store and check their iPad 12.9 M2 with the newest os, a little bit of blurryness when scrolling but the yellow smearing is not present.

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With my M2 I can’t say that it smears to a color. But with white text especially, it dims a bit and blurs slightly. When the scrolling stops the text sharpens and goes back to full brightness. I have dark mode on now but night shift is off. I’m in Mail scrolling through my message list, the text of all the messages is white against the black background and that is what I see, a slight dimming and blurring of the text until scrolling stops. Turning night shift on that becomes pronounced with the color of the text seeming to change as if you slid that night shift setting all the way across momentarily. When the scrolling stops the text sharpens again and the color returns to what I’ve set night shift to. I know color is not the right word, maybe tone or hue I wonder if these are two separate issues. One seems to be specific to night shift, it increases dramatically when scrolling. The other is the dimming and blurring when scrolling, I have no idea what that could be due to.
 

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With my M2 I can’t say that it smears to a color. But with white text especially, it dims a bit and blurs slightly. When the scrolling stops the text sharpens and goes back to full brightness. I have dark mode on now but night shift is off. I’m in Mail scrolling through my message list, the text of all the messages is white against the black background and that is what I see, a slight dimming and blurring of the text until scrolling stops. Turning night shift on that becomes pronounced with the color of the text seeming to change as if you slid that night shift setting all the way across momentarily. When the scrolling stops the text sharpens again and the color returns to what I’ve set night shift to. I know color is not the right word, maybe tone or hue I wonder if these are two separate issues. One seems to be specific to night shift, it increases dramatically when scrolling. The other is the dimming and blurring when scrolling, I have no idea what that could be due to.

I second those observations. With only Dark Mode (and True Tone) on I see zero effect though on mine. The Store Sample I checked showed the dimming. No dimming on mine - maybe a slight blur. With Night Shift on (on top of Dark Mode and True Tone) I have a pronounced blur/smear with color shift to yellow /reddish hue.
For me it is not a big issue as I don’t read much at night - and, if I switch off Night Shift it is basically not noticeable. I am concise though it is a software bug that will eventually work itself out.
 

papbot

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I am concise though it is a software bug that will eventually work itself out.
I hope so because I also have a 14 Pro Max phone and with True Tone, night shift and dark mode all on there is no such issue. Going back and forth between devices is quite jarring. It’s like having one new device and one several years old that can’t keep Up anymore.
 

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I hope so because I also have a 14 Pro Max phone and with True Tone, night shift and dark mode all on there is no such issue. Going back and forth between devices is quite jarring. It’s like having one new device and one several years old that can’t keep Up anymore.
Your 14 is OLED though. This is a mini LED related issue (I believe).
 
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Your 14 is OLED though. This is a mini LED related issue (I believe).
Just glad I got AppleCare with it because, and I tend not to be one overly critical of Apple devices, nothing is perfect(and I keep buying them) but with what this thing cost this is definitely not acceptable.
 

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Same issue here on an 11" iPad Pro, considering returning as well. Reassuring to see it may just be a software issue, I thought the panel was just that slow in the pixel response time department.

That's odd. I have an M1 11" iPad Pro and the issue does not happen on that, whereas the 12.9" M2 I just got definitely has it. Both are up to date.

I imagine it's a software issue, as people are now getting it on their M1 12.9" iPad Pros since an iPadOS update.

Doesn't impact me though - the 12.9" was ultimately too heavy and cumbersome for me so I returned it already.
 

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Your 14 is OLED though. This is a mini LED related issue (I believe).

This issue does not exist even slightly on the 14" MacBook Pro with mini LED. But it also doesn't happen on the 11" iPad as far as I can tell. I tested the M1" iPad, the M2 12.9" iPad, and the 14" MacBook Pro side by side, with true tone on, night mode on, and on Macrumors.

Issue was immediately obvious on the M2 12.9" and completely nonexistent on the others.
 

sdp77

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This issue does not exist even slightly on the 14" MacBook Pro with mini LED. But it also doesn't happen on the 11" iPad as far as I can tell. I tested the M1" iPad, the M2 12.9" iPad, and the 14" MacBook Pro side by side, with true tone on, night mode on, and on Macrumors.

Issue was immediately obvious on the M2 12.9" and completely nonexistent on the others.
I went to Best Buy tonight. I set up a 12.9” M2, iPad mini 6 and newest iPad 10.9 as follows: Dark Mode, Night Shift on, True Tone on.
Call me crazy but, for some extent, they all had the red smearing, noticeable not only on this website but also in the News app. I don’t know if it matters but, the light in the store was not very bright.
 

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I went to Best Buy tonight. I set up a 12.9” M2, iPad mini 6 and newest iPad 10.9 as follows: Dark Mode, Night Shift on, True Tone on.
Call me crazy but, for some extent, they all had the red smearing, noticeable not only on this website but also in the News app. I don’t know if it matters but, the light in the store was not very bright.
OK, I'll do another test on the 11" M1 and the 14" Pro tonight, more carefully in the same conditions and let you know.
 

Skwermo

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I have the same behaviour on a 11 ipp m2. If i lower the night shift intensity it is barely noticeable.
But I just noticed I also have the opposite behaviour: during the day out of night mode, with true tone off and dark mode on. When i scroll white text over black background the text becomes noticeably brighter, and when I stop scrolling it goes back to a dimmer text. Anyone sees the same thing?
 

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I went to Best Buy tonight. I set up a 12.9” M2, iPad mini 6 and newest iPad 10.9 as follows: Dark Mode, Night Shift on, True Tone on.
Call me crazy but, for some extent, they all had the red smearing, noticeable not only on this website but also in the News app. I don’t know if it matters but, the light in the store was not very bright.
It’s been long enough now that I can’t be certain but I’m fairly sure that when I had my M1 12.9 iPad Pro, which was replaced by my M2, I was seeing this issue primarily on this site. At that time I had been using the Macrumors dark setting giving me the white on black text and there was a quite obvious issue. The last ios that device was on was 16.1. It was traded for my M2 which had to be updated to 16.1 when I activated it and again the issue was quite obvious but also noticeable, especially in Mail, when dark mode kicks in at 5pm as I have it set.

It was so annoying on Macrumors that I switched the setting back to light mode and use the Noir app to give me a gray background and even with night shift enabled it wouldn’t be noticed by anyone that wasn’t keenly aware of this issue. I have night shift enabled during the day and it makes the issue more noticeable (to me) even here using Noir but acceptable for now. This big glaring white screen can be a little much for me which is why I use night shift. With my previous M1 it was most obvious here on MR so I mostly attributed it to an issue specific to this site and Safari. But with the M2 and seeing this thread it became much more obvious elsewhere. I only wish I could have viewed this site and the other apps in whatever ios the M2 arrived with, it updated during the activation process so I never had the opportunity. It is possible that some of the display models at the Apple Stores haven’t yet been updated to 16.1 and if anyone gets the chance maybe they could check the software version while checking for this issue. I’m on the 16.2 beta and this has not been resolved.
 

teh_hunterer

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I went to Best Buy tonight. I set up a 12.9” M2, iPad mini 6 and newest iPad 10.9 as follows: Dark Mode, Night Shift on, True Tone on.
Call me crazy but, for some extent, they all had the red smearing, noticeable not only on this website but also in the News app. I don’t know if it matters but, the light in the store was not very bright.

I've just done another test, and my 11" M1 iPad Pro and 14 MacBook Pro don't have this issue at all.

Back before I returned my M2 12.9" I noticed the issue straight away, and it was very very prominent.
 

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I did check out two more display models at a local Apple Store. Both showed the dimming effect but no color shift. I did not check the software version. So clearly, some displays show a color shift while others don’t. Not sure the “dimming” by itself is a defect. Maybe, indeed, there is a batch of displays that shows the color shift that is not software related. If it bothers you a lot, I’d return and go for another iPad. In my use case, I don’t use the iPad a lot to read white on black and if I do I can turn Nightshift off and the color shift is gone completely.
Hence, I am not returning mine and will live with it as described - though I still hope it is software and will be fixed at some point.
 

hrcs

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I can confirm that this is a software issue.

I bought an M2 iPad Pro 12.9 today. It came with iOS 16.0 so I immediately turned on night shift and dark mode. When scrolling, white text against a black background appeared normal and do not exhibit the “pink shift”. This made me think that the unit I got is from a good batch so I proceeded to update to iOS 16.1. I did the test again and lo and behold the white texts starting shifting pink while scrolling. I hope Apple fixes this in a future software update.
 
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Frankfurt

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I can confirm that this is a software issue.

I bought an M2 iPad Pro 12.9 today. It came with iOS 16.0 so I immediately turned on night shift and dark mode. When scrolling, white text against a black background appeared normal and do not exhibit the “pink shift”. This made me think that the unit I got is from a good batch so I proceeded to update to iOS 16.1. I did the test again and lo and behold the white texts starting shifting pink while scrolling. I hope Apple fixes this in a future software update.
That’s encouraging - though sorry you took one for the team!
 
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sdp77

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I can confirm that this is a software issue.

I bought an M2 iPad Pro 12.9 today. It came with iOS 16.0 so I immediately turned on night shift and dark mode. When scrolling, white text against a black background appeared normal and do not exhibit the “pink shift”. This made me think that the unit I got is from a good batch so I proceeded to update to iOS 16.1. I did the test again and lo and behold the white texts starting shifting pink while scrolling. I hope Apple fixes this in a future software update.
Sorry for your disappointment but thank you for putting my mind at rest.
 
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