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Prabas

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I had similar bleed on my old iPad, the cheap one, returned immediately. There should not be any bleed on these displays. On the left side, near the top that white spot is obviously not acceptable. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple would decide to do a service/recall program for these iPads.
 
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blurryvision

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I had similar bleed on my old iPad, the cheap one, returned immediately. There should not be any bleed on these displays. On the left side, near the top that white spot is obviously not acceptable. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple would decide to do a service/recall program for these iPads.
Yeah it seems like everyone has it.
 

Herrpod

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I haven’t noticed anything and I have been using it a lot but I am also not gonna check because otherwise it will be the only thing I will ever see. How many times are you going to look at a totally black screen? Some people are really OCD
I did the same with my car. It was reported that it had brake issues, so I just never used the brakes.
 

ericwn

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They’re the ones who allow for these returns and it’s a marketing technique to raise confidence in their products. It’s one of the things they’re famous for and they‘re not going to get rid of it anytime soon. Even if no one returned their products it’ll still be bloody expensive Lol

Apple will take your money regardless and they will continue to sell them at a high price.

I want the OP to stop returning for his own sanity, but people defending a trillion dollar company saying THEY’RE at a loss from someone returning a device is just stupid.

The size of a business should make zero difference. If it does that’s just envy. “Because they can handle it” is a trivial excuse at best.

At some point I’d take my money elsewhere instead of continuing the return game
 

blurryvision

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The size of a business should make zero difference. If it does that’s just envy. “Because they can handle it” is a trivial excuse at best.

At some point I’d take my money elsewhere instead of continuing the return game
It’s not envy, it’s called capitalism. Frankly, it does make a difference. Their business is designed to thrive off this return policy whether you like it or not...

But I agree that the return game is not something to win.
 

doboy

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It’s not envy, it’s called capitalism. Frankly, it does make a difference. Their business is designed to thrive off this return policy whether you like it or not...

But I agree that the return game is not something to win.
No business is deigned to THRIVE off of their return policy. Sure it gives people more assurance buying from them, but if every single person bought and returned their products they’ll either have to raise prices to offset the loss or not be in that business.
 

blurryvision

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No business is deigned to THRIVE off of their return policy. Sure it gives people more assurance buying from them, but if every single person bought and returned their products they’ll either have to raise prices to offset the loss or not be in that business.
They already account for the return/service policy in their current pricing. They sell refurbs that are sometimes more in-demand than their new products. People trust Apple so they continue to buy from them. Apple does thrive with this policy since they know only a minority will return their products and they can still continue to sell them at a high cost.

Apple had this return policy for years and they still became a multi trillion dollar company. You can’t really argue that. The same logic applies for Amazon, or Wal-Mart. If they were at a loss, this policy would have already been voided a long time ago.
 
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doboy

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They already account for the return/service policy in their current pricing. They sell refurbs that are sometimes more in-demand than their new products. People trust Apple so they continue to buy from them. Apple does thrive with this policy since they know only a minority will return their products and they can still continue to sell them at a high cost.

Apple had this return policy for years and they still became a multi trillion dollar company. You can’t really argue that. The same logic applies for Amazon, or Wal-Mart.
That’s just the cost of doing business. Before thinking you’re all smart to come up with your response, why don’t you read what I was commenting on specifically and what the other guy wrote. Also having a 14 day return is pretty much standard for retail business. By your logic, maybe they’ll thrive even more if they extended that to 30 days or even 90 days like Costco. Sky is the limit.
 
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blurryvision

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That’s just the cost of doing business. Before thinking you’re all smart to come up with your response, why don’t you read what I was commenting on specifically and what the other guy wrote. Also having a 14 day return is pretty much standard for retail business. By your logic, maybe they’ll thrive even more if they extended that to 30 days or even 90 days like Costco. Sky is the limit.
I find that multi million dollar companies with hassle-free return policies do thrive though. This is why Tim Cook says in every keynote that they are the #1 company with customer satisfaction - It’s a selling point!

And man, why get so angry dude? I wasn’t trying to start a fight lol
 
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BigMcGuire

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I find that multi million dollar companies with hassle-free return policies do thrive though. This is why Tim Cook says in every keynote that they are the #1 company with customer satisfaction - It’s a selling point!

And man, why get so angry dude? I wasn’t trying to start a fight lol
A very sensitive topic apparently. Some people feel it is ok for customers to abuse the system, others do not. Those of us who have been around have seen companies scale back their generous policies when abuse happens. While Apple does make billions and billions, the more people that abuse the system will tilt the scales and eventually cause change.

4-5 times is crazy. Does Apple allow this? In some circumstances, yes. I've found also being really nice to the Apple Geniuses - they'll go WAY out of their way to help you - beyond reasonable. But to abuse that will eventually cause that to be changed.

That and I've seen enough posts here on Macrumors that love to jab at people with the # of times that they've returned a product for replacement. It happens every year. I usually try not to be an ass but... imo, 4-5 times is not helping anyone and eventually will encourage Apple to change their really awesome return policies - and we all will suffer for that.

Like when OneDrive offered Unlimited storage. What did a few people do? Started uploading many hundreds of terabytes of system backups. Then what happened? No more unlimited storage for anyone. Yes, you can argue that Microsoft was at some fault... but when people abuse what is reasonable...


Granted, I've returned a few products in my lifetime (3-4?). But I've never had to go beyond 1 round of replacements. 4-5+, in my mean, horribly unprofessional opinion apparently is edging on abuse of the system. :p


Not trying to start fights, but in the end, it will result in less for everyone.
 

blurryvision

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A very sensitive topic apparently. Some people feel it is ok for customers to abuse the system, others do not. Those of us who have been around have seen companies scale back their generous policies when abuse happens. While Apple does make billions and billions, the more people that abuse the system will tilt the scales and eventually cause change.

4-5 times is crazy. Does Apple allow this? In some circumstances, yes. I've found also being really nice to the Apple Geniuses - they'll go WAY out of their way to help you - beyond reasonable. But to abuse that will eventually cause that to be changed.

That and I've seen enough posts here on Macrumors that love to jab at people with the # of times that they've returned a product for replacement. It happens every year. I usually try not to be an ass but... imo, 4-5 times is not helping anyone and eventually will encourage Apple to change their really awesome return policies - and we all will suffer for that.

Like when OneDrive offered Unlimited storage. What did a few people do? Started uploading many hundreds of terabytes of system backups. Then what happened? No more unlimited storage for anyone. Yes, you can argue that Microsoft was at some fault... but when people abuse what is reasonable...


Granted, I've returned a few products in my lifetime (3-4?). But I've never had to go beyond 1 round of replacements. 4-5+, in my mean, horribly unprofessional opinion apparently is edging on abuse of the system. :p


Not trying to start fights, but in the end, it will result in less for everyone.
I guess the best way to avoid mass returns is persuading people to stay off this forum since this is where everyone is posting their problems. Haha

Thanks for a concise and respectful answer - this forum needs more people like you who don’t take opinions so personally. The anger I’ve seen in this thread is unreal :(
 

BigMcGuire

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I guess the best way to avoid mass returns is persuading people to stay off this forum since this is where everyone is posting their problems. Haha

Thanks for a concise and respectful answer - this forum needs more people like you who don’t take opinions so personally. The anger I’ve seen in this thread is unreal :(

I'm guilty of getting a little heated too.

But yeah, one thing for sure - this forum can definitely get you to see all the flaws in your devices that you would otherwise never notice (usually) and enjoy.

My iPad 3 - I loved it. Thought it was the greatest iPad ever... until I hit a "Lightbleeding issue" thread where if I turned to a black screen and tilted the iPad in a certain way, it showed some serious bleeding. So ... this of course bugged me and destroyed my ability to enjoy my iPad (note: I had no idea this existed until I read about it). Had to return it for a replacement. lol.

Now, not saying ignorance is bliss. And not saying Apple should ship crap. But ... on average Apple's "crap" is usually pretty good. lol.

Agreed, I need to cool down - not everyone thinks the same way we do or even agrees with everything we think. That makes life fun and interesting.

Thanks for your post.



Personally - the picture above in post ( #77 ) looks pretty bad to me? lol. But I haven't looked at my iPads/iPhones with a black screen since my iPad 3. :) My guess is - when used normally - it is probably fine and not noticeable to the human eye.
 
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doboy

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I find that multi million dollar companies with hassle-free return policies do thrive though. This is why Tim Cook says in every keynote that they are the #1 company with customer satisfaction - It’s a selling point!

And man, why get so angry dude? I wasn’t trying to start a fight lol
Because I get irritated when people don't read through the entire conversation before commenting. I personally take my time to read through the conversations before commenting, but maybe that's just me. Also COVID situation isn't helping with my temper :(
 
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blurryvision

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This is mine at 100% brightness. It changes a lot and becomes more visible depending on ambient light and how you take the photo, but it looks pretty uniform for me as well and looks fine with the naked eye

Because I get irritated when people don't read through the entire conversation before commenting. I personally take my time to read through the conversations before commenting, but maybe that's just me. Also COVID situation isn't helping with my temper
I hope everything is ok :( We’ll all get through this ❤️
 
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roundmound10

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Yeah that looks perfect to me. Very nice.
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Here is mine. What do you all think?

Quite obvious when watching letterbox video, e.g. Apple TV+

Frustrating, as I checked my Ipad 7 and the screen is incredibly uniform. I have never had to return an Apple product, but I think this is going to be my first time. However I will not be playing screen lottery. I will wait a few months to see if they fix the issue. Given the number and consistence of the location of the problem it would appear to be a manufacturing issue. Apple QC has obviously done their cost/benefit analysis of correcting the problem and determined that their will not be enough returns to justify an immediate fix.
 

Euroamerican

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Sooo...... Backlight bleed of the current Precious Air versus the previously cursed white-spotted iPad Pro 10.5......

Or just jump up to the current iPad Pro, or find a closeout Air 3....

Trying to buy/recommend a mid-level iPad without some annoying flaw is tough to do!

Makes me want to just recommend the baseline 128 gb iPad to people.
 

BigMcGuire

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Here is mine. What do you all think?

Quite obvious when watching letterbox video, e.g. Apple TV+

Frustrating, as I checked my Ipad 7 and the screen is incredibly uniform. I have never had to return an Apple product, but I think this is going to be my first time. However I will not be playing screen lottery. I will wait a few months to see if they fix the issue. Given the number and consistence of the location of the problem it would appear to be a manufacturing issue. Apple QC has obviously done their cost/benefit analysis of correcting the problem and determined that their will not be enough returns to justify an immediate fix.

That looks a lot more obvious! Especially if you can see it. The way I'd judge this is - doing normal tasks. If I see it when doing normal tasks (watching videos late at night in a dark room, sitting next to a rising sun browsing Macrumors, etc) - then I'd return it.

If it's obvious, then that's bad. It's very noticeable to me in that pic you sent.
 

Moyapilot

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Seems as this is visible on some Air4s even in a well-lit room during normal usage if I'm reading that right? (with a few reporting having screens with little to none)

Looks like Apple cheaped out on the panels to still make their big profit margins. An Air3 shouldn't have a better screen than the newer gen.
 
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