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bobcomer

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Didn't you say they expect you to get something that can do the job?
Yes, but their criteria calls for light above all else. That's literally what they say, I grill them for every single purchase!

It's up to me to do the balancing act though. :)

The X1 Carbons we have are about half a pound lighter than the MBA and are actively cooled... I really wish Apple would come out with something that's not metal based for my own usage, aluminum, while light for a metal, is not light!
 

darngooddesign

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Jul 4, 2007
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These new MBPs are performance and power beasts! But they also look thick, clunky and bulbous. I've cancelled my 16 inch order because it is hard to spend thousands on a laptop with design cues from 2012. I may consider the 14 but even that looks bulbous. Anyone else considering cancelling/returning?
I mean, if you care more about looks than performance and the better screen, then you didn’t need one in the first place. Save some money and get the Air.
 

m1maverick

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Nov 22, 2020
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Yes, but their criteria calls for light above all else. That's literally what they say, I grill them for every single purchase!

It's up to me to do the balancing act though. :)

The X1 Carbons we have are about half a pound lighter than the MBA and are actively cooled... I really wish Apple would come out with something that's not metal based for my own usage, aluminum, while light for a metal, is not light!
A piece of paper is considerably lighter than any laptop I am familiar with. Hand them a piece of paper and they're set.
 

Stevenyo

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IMO all the Macintosh laptops have used the same basic design since the first unibody was produced. Sure there have been slight changes and size but they can all essentially trace their design back to the first unibody. Maybe even to the first Titaniums if you want to expand the differences a little.
Every MBP since 2008 is a variant of the original unibody, but the Titanium and original aluminum Power and Mac Books are totally different designs and constructions (skinned structural frames rather than unibodies that combine structure and skin into one piece of aluminum). The new MBP is still a unibody, but it has the most substantial change in shape since the introduction of the Unibody concept, one that fits with the design language of the iPad Pro, Air and mini as well as the iPhone 12 and 13 lines. It also happens to look a little more like the Ti Book than any Mac since, which, to me, is a nice change since I still think the Ti book has the best overall 'look' of any Apple Laptop, even if it was a fragile and heavily flawed design.

I just thought it was funny that the troll OP called this redesign "2012" when the 2008-2019 MBP models were all the same. If this hadn't changed at all it would look like a MBP from 2012, instead it changed into a modern 2018 and later era Apple design, with square-er sides and edges, and a bit more focus on function than slimness over everything.
 

bobcomer

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A piece of paper is considerably lighter than any laptop I am familiar with. Hand them a piece of paper and they're set.
They know I can act like a smart @ss sometimes, but they also know I take my job seriously, after all, I do like eating and paying my bills.

So they make assumptions that whatever I get will be enough to do the job, but in having seen what that type buy for personal use, ehh, light is still their #2 criteria with the #1 being that it's a computer. :)
 

zakarhino

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Can local dimming and/or HDR mode be disabled?

Potentially. I think I saw a display option for that in settings in some screenshots. I can’t test it until a few hours when I get mine. I’ll let you know in case no one else does.
 
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ha1o2surfer

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Sep 24, 2013
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Loving my 14 inch.. feels like my Razer hahha.

my only concern is 16GB of ram. UTM emulating x64 bit windows is so fast... I may end up having to go 32GB. Luckily best buy gives me until Jan22nd to return
 

ericwn

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Apr 24, 2016
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These new MBPs are performance and power beasts! But they also look thick, clunky and bulbous. I've cancelled my 16 inch order because it is hard to spend thousands on a laptop with design cues from 2012. I may consider the 14 but even that looks bulbous. Anyone else considering cancelling/returning?

Wouldn’t it be nice if they showed the design prior to you ordering? Oops, they did!

 

agent mac

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Oct 9, 2007
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These new MBPs are performance and power beasts! But they also look thick, clunky and bulbous. I've cancelled my 16 inch order because it is hard to spend thousands on a laptop with design cues from 2012. I may consider the 14 but even that looks bulbous. Anyone else considering cancelling/returning?
Mate, maybe you should just buy yourself a new jacket or something, because I fear you're confusing a productivity tool like a laptop with a fashion item designed to make you look good!
 
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agent mac

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Oct 9, 2007
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I’ll tell you exactly what I will be doing. Ordering the 14” M1 max full 32GB ram and then a 16” full spec model. Use for 7 days and then returning both of them after I finish my YouTube video reviews on them.

Thank me later guys (when they hit the apple refurb store)
So, clearly, you post in jest. But there are many other posts where people just seemingly order almost in expectation that they can try it out and return it. Don't people feel slightly guilty about this? If there is genuine reason to return then absolutely fine, but I can't help feel people are taking the mickey out of a generous return policy. Ultimately people over ordering and returning are costing apple money which in turn is passed on to customers, and negatively affecting stock levels preventing others from getting machines quickly.
 
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DarrylMusashi

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Oct 26, 2021
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Received mine today, still trying it out but initially I'm a bit dissappointed. Like someone else said, it's thick. I mean I saw the keynote and some youtube reviews but I was still surprised, this is a real chonker (base 14 inch), not only that it weighs quite a lot.

I'm not fond of the design, it looks dated already but I can live with it. Mostly I'm just cranky because they put back ports + magsafe, I'm not against choice but Apple is the only company that forces the industry to progress. They tried their best with the last gen of macbooks to make USB-C the universal port but now they've given every other manufacturer an out. Hopefully USB-C has gotten enough traction to keep going without Apple pushing it but we will see.

I actually also miss the Touchbar since there's no longer a key for the launchpad and I've gotten used to having a function button for locking my computer ?

If I do end up returning it it will not be because it's a bad computer, it's just not really my cup of tea. If the next gen MBA keeps the batterylife and sleek design of current gen M1 MBA/MBP I think it's a better fit for me.
 
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fgengineer

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Oct 19, 2018
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it's really not that difficult to be sure you want/need something before buying. fair enough if there's a legitimate reason to return but judging by the amount of "I'm returning" posts, there's people that seem to be in the habit of just purchasing products to try them out knowing they can be returned if they don't like it, without fully considering the decision. can ya'll just stop?

the form factor is clear from the photos and if that bothers you that much, this professional tool was not designed for you. go purchase your MacBook Air.

I think I speak for any professional that has been using a MacBook Pro from 2016 onwards, they're absolutely cheering for the design changes.

Actually, that is the purpose of an easy return, to get people to buy it. I bet a lot of people feel safer since they can return and most just end up keeping it. Of course, you are bound to get people returning, but that is the trade off.

I might return mine. I got an upgraded version (16" 1TB 32GB Max), but after seeing the benchmarks I might just get the base version.

I primarily want the bigger screen and I can take advantage of more CPU cores, but I don't have a heavy need for powerful GPU. I wish When it arrives, I will put it through my benchmarks and will have a tough decision to make.
 
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petvas

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Jul 20, 2006
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My first impressions are mostly positive: The display is great and much better than the one in the 13" MBP M1 and ProMotion makes everything very smooth. I also like the design a lot. The laptop feels really nice and the keyboard is also better than the previous. The notch doesn't bother me at all so far. Battery seems to be worse than on the M1 13" MBP, but I guess I will have to live with that.
 
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agent mac

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Oct 9, 2007
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I also canceled my order. I only care about thin and light. Can't justify traveling with a brick every day when the mba m1 is more than enough as a software engineer.
As an obviously intelligent individual, didn't you consider the weight and dimensions before you pressed that last button on your order? How do you get yourself to the point of spending a large sum of money without considering these obvious metrics?
 
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m1maverick

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They know I can act like a smart @ss sometimes, but they also know I take my job seriously, after all, I do like eating and paying my bills.

So they make assumptions that whatever I get will be enough to do the job, but in having seen what that type buy for personal use, ehh, light is still their #2 criteria with the #1 being that it's a computer. :)
This suggests that thickness and weight are not the primary criteria but rather fit for purpose is.
 

magbarn

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Oct 25, 2008
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What's ironic is that Apple NEEDED these thicker designs much more with the hot running Intel/dGPU combos with the touchbar generation.
 

agent mac

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Oct 9, 2007
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I am in the opposite place. I am currently using a 15" MacBook Pro Unibody because I didn't like the "new" Retina MacBook Pros that were much more expensive, had limited upgradability, and reduced power output. Things only got worse with the 2016 redesign that basically tried to turn the MacBook Pro into "consumer grade" MacBook.

It short, I have been waiting nearly a decade for this MacBook Pro.
Yes, there is still no user upgradability, but finally the chip design and performance seem worth it to me, to justify the loss of upgradability.

That being said I absolutely respect where you are coming from on this. I do think Apple should consider releasing a 15" MacBook Air along with their redesigned M2 13" MacBook Air. Seems like that is what a lot of non-Pro users might be looking for.
I'm currently tempted to get a 16 inch version, knowing full well I don't need the power, but knowing that I'd rather have a decent amount of screen as whilst I need some portability I'm not going to be carrying it round all day every day. Anything 13 inch is just too small, so a modern fast 15 inch would be perfect for me, without the out and out power of these new machines.
 
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