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Jonathantuba

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TBH, I don’t care about pro apps. I just want the ability to download apps off the web like macOS. Apps that are obviously notarized duh.
One of the great things about the iPad is it is a walled garden, and it is not possible for people to download off the web, infect their device with virus or malware to disrupt its workings or have data stolen. iPads are kind of idiot proof, and the user can do little harm. That is good for not techies which probably make up most iPad users
 

mzsigler

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Exactly. Which is what I am saying. It isn't of concern to anyone if someone brought a Pro unit, and actually has no intention of using it for Pro reasons. For that individual there isn't a thing WWDC could possibly show that makes it worth keeping the Pro. At best what WWDC can offer non Pro users is "quality of life" improvements, which has little to do if someone owns a Pro or not.

Basically if someone brought a Pro based on the hopes of what WWDC MAY offer, they brought a Pro for the wrong reasons. If they are returning Pros based on dashed hopes of what WWDC MAY offer, that perhaps mean more refurbished available for those who really want or need a Pro. ?

If I can run Final Cut Pro on my iPad, I will need the extra ram and storage. If I can’t, I won’t. I have LumaFusion too and it’s great but I do prefer FCP. If I’m just going to run LumaFusion, which my 2018 runs fine, then I don’t see the need for 16GB of ram.

Basically if the iPad can replace my MacBook Air for my portable device, then I have no issues ponying up the extra dough for 1TB and 16GB of ram. If I will still need to carry a Macbook with me, I’m going to return the iPad for the cheaper model, because while I still want and will use an iPad Pro, I can’t justify the extra money if it can’t replace a laptop for MY use case.

Me, and a lot of other people, are basically hoping that WWDC reveals new abilities for iPadOS that push it over the edge into that “replace my laptop” territory. For some people it’s already there, and for some people it never will be, but a lot of us are in the middle and this feels like a big year for iPad.
 

JayMysterio

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Hm, while I have some understanding for the convenience of multiple ports with a discrete, single function, I see no problem using a hub/single function USB-C reader/adapter.

I actually don’t care about the “Pro” moniker - do I need a device with nice screen, long lasting battery life, and the ability to retouch my photos using a pencil and fingers? iPP it is.

Do I have to run XCode while travelling? - as of the first of may 2021 this means I go for a Macbook.

Do I want to smile when entering my office? An orange/yellow M1 iMac it is.

Do I have/want to do any of the above on a budget? Welcome at my place M1 Mini.

The mind boggling thing is that at any time I now don’t have to compromise between computing power and runtime/watt anymore.

Apps like Pixelmator Photo, RAWPower, the Affinity apps are still ridiculously cheap on iOS/iPadOS though.
That's still not what I am talking about.

I'm NOT talking about the price of apps, and never did. I just referred to how some will complain an Apple product does not earn it's "Pro" designation based on what it is missing. Whether it's port selection or how much RAM. Some people care about the Pro designation, because they will use the Apple product in ways that are more intensive than the average user.

If a person brought an iPad Pro based on what MIGHT be announced at WWDC, they brought an iPad Pro for the wrong reasons. IF they brought an iPad Pro because they will use it for things more intensive than a regular iPad that was probably right. IF they brought an iPad Pro because they wanted to future proof, that's right as well. Returning an iPP because a program or app wasn't introduced at WWDC, kind of smacks of not making an informed purchase.
 
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Eorlas

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Just out of curiosity, how many here, after purchasing and waiting for the new 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 inch with 16 GB of memory will send it back or cancel the order after hearing nothing earth shattering from WWDC that will take it advantage of the 16 GB? I will ? you betcha

for the colossal cost it has just to implement 1tb ssd and 8 (additional) gb ram...hell no. i'd much rather use the gap on a 16" mbp with an m1x or m2.

now that sucked had better have a top notch HDR display, though.
 

JayMysterio

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If I can run Final Cut Pro on my iPad, I will need the extra ram and storage. If I can’t, I won’t. I have LumaFusion too and it’s great but I do prefer FCP. If I’m just going to run LumaFusion, which my 2018 runs fine, then I don’t see the need for 16GB of ram.

Basically if the iPad can replace my MacBook Air for my portable device, then I have no issues ponying up the extra dough for 1TB and 16GB of ram. If I will still need to carry a Macbook with me, I’m going to return the iPad for the cheaper model, because while I still want and will use an iPad Pro, I can’t justify the extra money if it can’t replace a laptop for MY use case.

Me, and a lot of other people, are basically hoping that WWDC reveals new abilities for iPadOS that push it over the edge into that “replace my laptop” territory. For some people it’s already there, and for some people it never will be, but a lot of us are in the middle and this feels like a big year for iPad.
If a MacBook Air already does all you need, why buy an iPad?

If your purchasing decision on an iPad Pro is dependent on what's announced at WWDC, the logical decision is to WAIT until WWDC.

Ordering BEFORE, only to find one's self disappointed by WWDC maybe a sign that an iPad Pro perhaps wasn't for you.
 

rui no onna

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I also think Ipad will benefit from 16gb RAM more than Mac because IPadOS system is different and keep reloading and it's ruined my work many times

Yep. MacOS on M1 handles out of memory conditions seamlessly via swapping to very fast storage. On iOS, often you just lose app state and sometimes actual data (I'm looking at you, Excel).

With a faster storage controller and higher base storage (ergo better endurance) on iPads, I'd actually like to see memory management similar to MacOS.
 
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SkiHound2

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Almost all professional iPadOS apps are surprisingly cheap.
If you actually need 1TB, by all means buy it. If you're someone who is generating huge amounts of content 1TB, even 2TB is probably not sufficient. I do photography and have way more than 2TB of files saved and backed up on multiple physical drives. And backed up on cloud storage. I don't really think an iPad is the right place to store mass quantities of media long term.
There HAS to be a reason why Apple added 16gb of ram into their higher 1tb/2tb iPad Pro’s

Im pretty sure we will see something special at WWDC, and finally see a FCP App (hopefully not sub based)

Knowing our luck they will state ‘released in 2022’, much like how Adobe took months to hit our iPad Pro’s
Well, just being a contrarian here. Could it be that they have M1 chips with both 8gb and 16gb of memory and think the 16gb of ram will make the prices of the 1TB and 2TB SSDs more attractive to buyers? Their prices for upgraded SSD storage is ridiculous. Let's make it more attractive by offering 16gb chips with the 1 and 2TB SSD upgrades. That will "encourage" more folks who need neither to upgrade? Upselling options that most folks don't need is highly profitable. And it's why a lot of tiered products are offered. The low end version is kind of lacking some things that are needed. Too little memory, too little storage, etc. The mid-level option has the specs most folks need but it's price is not too far from the top tier. The top tier offers the options folks WANT. I bet the profit margin between a 64gb iPad Air and 256gb iPad Air is pretty large. 64 is pretty cramped but 128 would be fine for a lot of folks. What is the profit margin between a 512gb iPad Pro and 1TB pro? We frequently go to a terrific Italian restaurant near us. It's become sort of a joke. But during the pandemic we'd go there to pick up take out, the restaurant owner would always show us the desert of the night. I'd look at her and say, oh, you're trying to upsell us. And we'd both laugh. It almost always worked, BTW. Upselling things things the customer really doesn't need is hugely profitable. Yes, I'm being cynical.
 

jeremiah256

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Just out of curiosity, how many here, after purchasing and waiting for the new 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 inch with 16 GB of memory will send it back or cancel the order after hearing nothing earth shattering from WWDC that will take it advantage of the 16 GB? I will ? you betcha

I think the only earth shattering announcement needed would be Parallels for iPad Pro.

A professional in any area, who uses a Mac, can use virtualization if they run across an app not compatible with macOS. Parallels already works very well on M1. So any announcement that Parallels runs just as well on an iPad Pro, including Apple Pencil support, is really announcing that the best Surface Pro X is now an iPad Pro.

That would give many more people the excuse to go for the 16GBs, 1-2 TB models. In fact, I think there would be a run on the upper end models and many people would be returning the non-16GB iPad Pros.
 

Zdigital2015

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Just out of curiosity, how many here, after purchasing and waiting for the new 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 inch with 16 GB of memory will send it back or cancel the order after hearing nothing earth shattering from WWDC that will take it advantage of the 16 GB? I will ? you betcha
Then why bother even ordering one? Do you need it? Do you already have one? Wouldn’t it make more sense to wait until WWDC to find out what Apple’s plans are for iPadOS 15?
 

ProfessionalFan

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Then why bother even ordering one? Do you need it? Do you already have one? Wouldn’t it make more sense to wait until WWDC to find out what Apple’s plans are for iPadOS 15?
Solid point. In my case I ordered one cause I had $100 off at Costco plus their list was $50 less than Apple so i was able to score a base 12.9 for 949 before tax. That coupon expires in a few days so couldn’t wait. I’m hopeful iPadOS 15 utilizes it more.
 
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Macalway

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So the OP and others are expecting something? This seems presumptuous. I'm not expecting anything, as there isn't any kind of guidance for this, and there's not even any reliable rumors. Just talk and speculation. Speculation is not rumor.

Also, there may be 3rd party solutions. Seems like there will be 'something'.
 
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Jedimindtrick

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Probably wishful thinking here.

But considering current M1 MacBook Airs/Pros allow you to download and run iOS/iPadOS apps natively, it wouldn’t be that crazy to think that M1 iPad Pros won’t allow you to do the reverse, especially with the Magic Keyboard. I actually think that’s the whole idea behind using the same chip, allowing users to spend more money in the App Store and making the iPad Pro line more versatile by using macOS apps.
 

Jedimindtrick

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If dual booting into macOS becomes a reality (thus utilizing the extra ram and bigger hard drive for a second OS) I would be very happy. Seems like a “Pro” feature that pro users would be able to use.

It would also be a major blow to the Microsoft Surface line. Which would be hilarious considering their recent ad campaign.
 
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Ludatyk

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So the OP and others are expecting something? This seems presumptuous. I'm not expecting anything, as there isn't any kind of guidance for this, and there's not even any reliable rumors. Just talk and speculation. Speculation is not rumor.

Also, there may be 3rd party solutions. Seems like there will be 'something'.
Obviously, we are all speculating. What else can we do if Apple doesn't offer any roadmap or strategy going forward. And they have every right to keep it among company lines... but rumors from Bloomberg (reliable source) has mention a redesign of the HomeScreen.

And most of us are just waiting for this huge breakout year for the iPad... the M1 is on it, 16GB RAM, and Apple deciding to branch out from iOS with iPadOS. The signs are there.... just gotta be willing to look at it.
 
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collin_

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Profits, Apple knows people will buy the top end, for no reason at all. Just look at all of the people buying 64GB of ram, just for future proofing. Apple does not have to do anything and people will still opt for the top end model
I've always wondered how many people have bought a maxed out 2019 Mac Pro, not even bothering to save money by upgrading the RAM themselves, just because they can. I feel like it's probably a shockingly large number for a company of Apple's scale.
 

jeremiah256

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I've always wondered how many people have bought a maxed out 2019 Mac Pro, not even bothering to save money by upgrading the RAM themselves, just because they can. I feel like it's probably a shockingly large number for a company of Apple's scale.
There's not one forum, including this one, where the members don't tell people to update the RAM themselves if they have the option. And if they don't care and buy from Apple, then they've got that Hermes money and the price is meaningless anyway.
 

collin_

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There's not one forum, including this one, where the members don't tell people to update the RAM themselves if they have the option. And if they don't care and buy from Apple, then they've got that Hermes money and the price is meaningless anyway.
I wouldn't expect these people to be tech-literate and read forums like this. My best guess is that Apple received at least a few hundred such orders, but I really have no idea. It could be way more.
 

jeremiah256

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Never buy a product hoping for a future upgrade. Buy a product for what it can do at the time of purchase.
Normally good advice, may even be good advice in this case, but with Apple products, especially the iOS and iPadOS devices, more times than not, your device to improve over time.

My five year old iPad, ignoring the battery life, went from an expensive toy, to my personal daily driver just with the additions of the Folder App, Slide Over/multi-tasking, and mouse support. If people are betting money that the next version of iPadOS (an OS which has been improving fast; June's announcement will only be third version), they're probably not going to be disappointed.

Not saying there won't be cries of disappoint on this site, that's a given...
 
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macduke

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I got the new one because my grandpa’s 9.7” iPad Air 2 is broken and I’ve been unable to repair the issue. I have the 2018 12.9” iPad Pro and in display scaling mode with some text accessibility tweaks he can read the 12.9” much better so I’m giving it to him. The battery life is still great, no scratches and it’s plenty powerful so I’m sure he’ll get many years of use from it. He mainly uses it for FaceTime, reading, looking at photo streams of his great grand babies, and sending messages.

I bought the 1TB version because I’m interested to see why an iPad might need 16GB of RAM. I saved money by not going for cellular this time. I don’t really need it now that I work from home permanently. When I’m not working on my Macs I’m a heavy iPad user. It’s nice to kick back on the couch, or out on the deck, or in a hammock in the woods with my iPad Pro and my AirPods Pro and just chill.
 
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iPadified

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It’s not about the OS… never was. Not on MacOS. Not on iPadOS. Not on Zimbutsu 3000.

It’s the apps, stupid. ?
Its the data the app processes as well. Now 8k videos can be processed instead of "only" 4k. The RAM hungry work flows on Mac/PC need to RAM for the data not the apps per se.
 

iPadified

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Well dual boot or a Mac OS or run Mac apps natively on iPP would be very sweet. The iPP 12.9 inch is really a "pro" of the iPads just like the Mac Pro is "Pro" in the Mac line. Actually, the iPP 12.9 is in my opinion the most impressive product of Apple today. Where is that 15-17 inch iPP to beat it*?

* If not else, we need 15-17 inch to irritate the "iPad cannot replace my laptop" crowd and the "12.9 is too big" crowd now that the 12.9 has become mainstream ;)
 
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