iPad Who Will Send Back The iPad 12.9 if……..

[jeremiah256]

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I've never seen so many people, who don't work for Apple, be so very sure about what Apple are doing.

You don't need to be a part of something to observe and make predictions on their destination if you can see the direction they are going. Especially since Apple has not been exactly hiding where they are heading. People on this very forum have been fearing and warning against the merger of Apple computing devices for years. Others, like myself, are more optimistic about the results of a merger. Either way, with all the parts in place, to include:

- Apple forking iPadOS from iOS;
- Shifting the majority of their computing devices to ARM;
- Continuing to push the 'What's a computer' message (see last year's ad);
- Putting a desktop level SoC in their tablets;
- Apple and Parallels working closely together on the M1;

Yeah, I'm more sure of something significant happening at WWDC then not.

 

[isoft7]

It's a good question... how many people on this forum work for Apple?

 

[theotherphil]

Obviously nothing, but then what developer would spend $$$ for a product and limit it to run only one one specific model? They could release an app that could take advantages but I'm a doubting thomas in seeing something specific for a 16GB/1TB iPad Pro. I can't see why a developer would purposely limit their sales

Your average joe doesn’t use “Pro” apps and wouldn’t be a customer of those developers anyway. How many average joes purchase FCPX? How many people purchase FCPX because it supports their workflow for their income?

Should Apple/ developers limit their apps just because they can potentially sell an inferior product to more people (at a lower price) or should they target people who make a living off of a high quality tool and charge more albeit to less customers?

History dictates that they CAN target those who make money from these tools with the best product available but at a higher price to offset the loss of total number of customers.

 

[rui no onna]

Your average joe doesn’t use “Pro” apps and wouldn’t be a customer of those developers anyway. How many average joes purchase FCPX? How many people purchase FCPX because it supports their workflow for their income?

Should Apple/ developers limit their apps just because they can potentially sell an inferior product to more people (at a lower price) or should they target people who make a living off of a high quality tool and charge more albeit to less customers?

History dictates that they CAN target those who make money from these tools with the best product available but at a higher price to offset the loss of total number of customers.

True.

People who buy $300 iPads are unlikely to be willing to pay for $300 apps.

 

[Serban55]

Just out of curiosity, how many here, after purchasing and waiting for the new 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 inch with 16 GB of memory will send it back or cancel the order after hearing nothing earth shattering from WWDC that will take it advantage of the 16 GB? I will ? you betcha

It depends what apps will come to the ipados this year thanks to its hardware
Maybe at WWDC will hear about upcoming pro apps that can be release in the fall or early next year

 

[cupcakes2000]

Well dual boot or a Mac OS or run Mac apps natively on iPP would be very sweet. The iPP 12.9 inch is really a "pro" of the iPads just like the Mac Pro is "Pro" in the Mac line. Actually, the iPP 12.9 is in my opinion the most impressive product of Apple today. Where is that 15-17 inch iPP to beat it*?

* If not else, we need 15-17 inch to irritate the "iPad cannot replace my laptop" crowd and the "12.9 is too big" crowd now that the 12.9 has become mainstream

Would love a 17” iPad Pro

 

[cupcakes2000]

You don't need to be a part of something to observe and make predictions on their destination if you can see the direction they are going. Especially since Apple has not been exactly hiding where they are heading. People on this very forum have been fearing and warning against the merger of Apple computing devices for years. Others, like myself, are more optimistic about the results of a merger. Either way, with all the parts in place, to include:

- Apple forking iPadOS from iOS;
- Shifting the majority of their computing devices to ARM;
- Continuing to push the 'What's a computer' message (see last year's ad);
- Putting a desktop level SoC in their tablets;
- Apple and Parallels working closely together on the M1;

Yeah, I'm more sure of something significant happening at WWDC then not.

Except the biggest part that needs to be in place for this mythical merger is not, this is Apple themselves.

Apple who traditionally remain very very tight lipped about the future, have categorically said time and time again they will not merge the os’. Apple who have only just forked a new os specifically for the iPad. Apple who are currently revitalising the mac line up to be the best its ever been. These three things alone shows that there are more parts in place for them not to merge anything, but continue down the line they are already following.

 

[Royksöpp]

I’m still deciding if I should cancel my order. I tried the 2020 12.9 and returned it because of its size. If the 2021 still had an lcd screen I would have chosen the 11 without a second thought. i don’t know if I want to mess with the hassle of returning. I’m in the first round of preorders, so my decision is that much tougher. I’m really going for my photography business, so the larger tablet and screen is really starting to make more sense.

 

[leebroath]

i don’t know if I want to mess with the hassle of returning.

I've always found returning items to Apple is fantastic and effortless, whether in store or for UPS pick up from house.

 

[Never mind]

Obviously, we are all speculating. What else can we do if Apple doesn't offer any roadmap or strategy going forward. And they have every right to keep it among company lines... but rumors from Bloomberg (reliable source) has mention a redesign of the HomeScreen.

And most of us are just waiting for this huge breakout year for the iPad... the M1 is on it, 16GB RAM, and Apple deciding to branch out from iOS with iPadOS. The signs are there.... just gotta be willing to look at it.

Yes. My thinking is with the new purchase is that I will now have one placed on order speculating something wonderful to come out of WWDC and if not I will cancel the order. With the 12.9 inch 16 GB of memory 1 TB SSD, plus Cellular, Applecare+ and finally taxes, it would only cost me $1299.00 with veterans discount and a trade-in, not $2000+. And activating the Cellular service with Verizon I get another $200 off. Not too bad even if we still have to wait for better apps.

 

[Andropov]

Obviously nothing, but then what developer would spend $$$ for a product and limit it to run only one one specific model? They could release an app that could take advantages but I'm a doubting thomas in seeing something specific for a 16GB/1TB iPad Pro. I can't see why a developer would purposely limit their sales

Procreate has a variable maximum number of layers on a file based on RAM, for example.

 

[GuruZac]

I think we will see a lot of returns once reality sets in and buyers realize that the 2021 model is really not different usage wise than the 2020 model. A lot of people get caught up in the hype around here.

I think iPadOS is going to be another spec bump offering from Apple. I hope I am wrong but, I think people are going to be disappointed.

This was what ultimately made me keep my 2018 12.9. For my usage, the 2021 doesn’t give me anything new except display and the new Ultra Wide front camera. I opted instead for the new iMac to replace my 2017 MacBook Pro.

 

[Apple_Robert]

This was what ultimately made me keep my 2018 12.9. For my usage, the 2021 doesn’t give me anything new except display and the new Ultra Wide front camera. I opted instead for the new iMac to replace my 2017 MacBook Pro.

Smart move. You will probably get more ability and use out of that tech move, that what you were originally going to do.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

I’m hopeful iPadOS 15 utilizes it more.

So the OP and others are expecting something? This seems presumptuous.

You replied to the thread right after I posted so I assume I am included in the "others" you speak of. I clearly said "hopeful", that isn't the same as "expecting".

 

[GuruZac]

Yes. My thinking is with the new purchase is that I will now have one placed on order speculating something wonderful to come out of WWDC and if not I will cancel the order. With the 12.9 inch 16 GB of memory 1 TB SSD, plus Cellular, Applecare+ and finally taxes, it would only cost me $1299.00 with veterans discount and a trade-in, not $2000+. And activating the Cellular service with Verizon I get another $200 off. Not too bad even if we still have to wait for better apps.

Oh I definitely think the apps will come, but over time. iPadOS is likely to be another face lift, widgets on Home Screen etc. I’m guessing either Apple increases minimum RAM across the board to 4GB or maybe features with a professional app like Lightroom etc will only be able to be unlocked on iPad Pros with 8 to 16GB, but how do the apps differentiate that.

 

[jeremiah256]

Except the biggest part that needs to be in place for this mythical merger is not, this is Apple themselves.

Apple who traditionally remain very very tight lipped about the future, have categorically said time and time again they will not merge the os’. Apple who have only just forked a new os specifically for the iPad. Apple who are currently revitalising the mac line up to be the best its ever been. These three things alone shows that there are more parts in place for them not to merge anything, but continue down the line they are already following.

Outright merger or not of the OS, the result, as I see it, is still a version of iPadOS that with the specs of the new iPad Pro, will firmly set it on the path as the device people think of first when they need a new computer. Desktop, laptop, tablet. All viable because the app ecosystem is compatible.

And since the Mac is now using an advanced version of the SoC that started in the iPhone and iPad, the look for macOS and iPadOS are becoming more similar each upgrade, and with the Mac starting to run iOS apps, I really think Apple’s definition of not merging is very flexible. Especially if the iPad Pro starts running macOS apps.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Outright merger or not of the OS, the result, as I see it, is still a version of iPadOS that with the specs of the new iPad Pro, will firmly set it on the path as the device people think of first when they need a new computer. Desktop, laptop, tablet. All viable because the app ecosystem is compatible.

And since the Mac is now using an advanced version of the SoC that started in the iPhone and iPad, the look for macOS and iPadOS are becoming more similar each upgrade, and with the Mac starting to run iOS apps, I really think Apple’s definition of not merging is very flexible. Especially if the iPad Pro starts running macOS apps.

I think there will be a way of running macos apps someday. At least ones that meet a certain criteria. But that’s not merging the os’ - far from it. If anything its more like an extremely advnced handoff type capability, ie - the direction they’ve been heading in for years, as per my post.

 

[mzsigler]

If a MacBook Air already does all you need, why buy an iPad?

If your purchasing decision on an iPad Pro is dependent on what's announced at WWDC, the logical decision is to WAIT until WWDC.

Ordering BEFORE, only to find one's self disappointed by WWDC maybe a sign that an iPad Pro perhaps wasn't for you.

I’m having a hard time understanding why you’re so upset about this. I think they’re going to make the iPad Pro more capable, so I purchased a model I believe will be able to take better advantage of the new capabilities. If I’m wrong I’ll exchange it.

 

[Macalway]

Right, this whole thing is not a big deal. Returning it for these types of reasons isn't particularly unethical. I mean, to stick the M1 in there with 16gb ram is asking for trouble . No pro apps materializing, would simply be lame. Also, you want to have one. This is important.

I mean really. Wtf is 16gb for then? A laughable waste? It seems to me that Apple has painted itself into a corner. Everyone can see where this is going. And then these execs come on YT and say "We are not doing what we are doing"

 

[jeremiah256]

iOS is a fork of macOS. iPadOS, watchOS, and tvOS are forks of iOS. They all share the same Unix DNA. iOS, for example, has a shell. I know, because when I was into jail breaking many years ago, I was able to load a terminal on my iPhone and access it.

So I’d just say that the similarities way outnumber the differences between the OSes and those differences were largely due to technological limitations that have pretty much been eliminated, purposely by Apple.

If differences between the Mac and the iPad in 2010 was 10 meters, we’re now down to 1 meter with the M1 in everything. Apple saying they’ll never merge is pretty much meaningless in the grand scope of things if iPadOS delivers what some of us think it will and we go down to centimeters differences.

 

[JayMysterio]

I’m having a hard time understanding why you’re so upset about this. I think they’re going to make the iPad Pro more capable, so I purchased a model I believe will be able to take better advantage of the new capabilities. If I’m wrong I’ll exchange it.

I'm guessing your "hard time understanding" why I am upset, is based on the fact that I'm not upset, except in your interpretational reading of my post.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

Even iMacs offer the option to upgrade to 16GB for customers who think their workload can benefit from more RAM.

For real work 16GB will not be enough MBP 64GB will do

 

[ZombiePete]

For real work 16GB will not be enough MBP 64GB will do

“Real work” is an incredibly broad category; my “real work” Windows laptop issued to me by my workplace has 8GB of RAM and it does what I need to do: MS Office, Outlook, Teams meetings, timesheets, etc.

I could easily do my “real work” using my current iPP.

So 64GB of RAM may be considered a necessity for some “real work”, but I am willing to be that it’s a niche requirement and not reflective of what the average user would ever need.

 

[James Godfrey]

Personally I went with a 256GB model, more than enough for my needs… will apple unveil M1 only apps? (most likely), will you need the 16GB ram for them to function? (probably not) unless you are a serious power user.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Right, this whole thing is not a big deal. Returning it for these types of reasons isn't particularly unethical. I mean, to stick the M1 in there with 16gb ram is asking for trouble . No pro apps materializing, would simply be lame. Also, you want to have one. This is important.

I mean really. Wtf is 16gb for then? A laughable waste? It seems to me that Apple has painted itself into a corner. Everyone can see where this is going. And then these execs come on YT and say "We are not doing what we are doing"

There are plenty of pro apps already available for the iPad Pro primed and ready to take advantage of the extra ram.