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russell_314

macrumors 604
Feb 10, 2019
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I don’t understand why after I have swiped up the notifications don’t pull up till the top of the screen. Basically that portion is lost.
On a larger phone it's easier to click the bottom of the screen than reach up all the way to the top
 

Poppaduck

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Aug 17, 2022
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I haven't "upgraded" yet but it sounds like once again we are all beta testers. Why don't they take longer and get it right? Every single release has big problems.
Huh? This notification process isn’t a bug. It’s how apple intended and I’m not sure what you’re upgrading but I’ve never had major issues and haven’t had them with this update either. Everything is smooth
 

fischersd

macrumors 603
Oct 23, 2014
5,380
1,942
Port Moody, BC, Canada
This should start the revolution of our times. Customers should stand up against arbitrary sabotage and oppressively bad design software regime.
You and the rest of the tinfoil hat brigade should march on Cupertino. Have at it! :D

But, seriously, if people want to have input into the next rev of software, they should become a beta tester. Apple opens this up to people of all types so they can provide feedback. If they just wanted tech feedback, they'd limit it to the Dev's and people in IT. Having people of all walks of life be testers gets them more feedback and produces a better product.
 

antiprotest

macrumors 601
Apr 19, 2010
4,353
16,038
Last year they worked so hard to destroy Safari. I guess they are coming after notifications this year. I wonder what they will destroy for iOS 17.
 

ScubaCinci

macrumors 68000
Jul 11, 2008
1,654
319
OH
It's the fact that after you view (but don't action notifications) the count disappears and it looks like there is nothing.

They simply need to add a "dot" to show unactioned notifications. This is basic stuff.
100% this...there needs to be SOMETHING to signify there are notifications waiting. Maybe more people need to install and begin using 16 before we really hear a lot of backlash. I'm sure there are some where it will take a few days for them to figure out they are missing notifications and a few more for them to work up the energy to begin researching why.
 

TonyC28

macrumors 68030
Aug 15, 2009
2,885
7,256
USA
This is my biggest problem, and I'm not usually a complainer, I've been using iOS since 1.0 and macOS since Tiger.

I have the "count" option, and I like that it's decluttering my lock screen, though now this is the user flow:


* Open lock screen
* Swipe up, count turns into Stack
* Swipe up again, Stack turns into List
* Swipe up again, List now shows "older" notifications too.

3 Swipes? What am I missing, am I using it wrong?
It's really quite dumb. Taking the Lock Screen out of it, I am jumping straight to Notification Center from my unlocked iPhone.

Step 1 - Swipe down to bring up notifications. I see one notification and NO indication of any others.

Step 2 - Swipe up (because maybe there's more, maybe there isn't 🤷‍♂️). This brings up 3 other notifications, including two stacked groups, for a total of 4 on the screen.

Step 3 - Swipe up AGAIN to see if there's anything else. But wait, that bottom one wasn't a grouped notification from the same app, it was MORE notifications shown like they were behind the bottom one which looks EXACTLY like a grouped notification like the one above it.

I don't mean to bash Apple too hard for this one because it feels like beating a blind kid, but this is just stupid. It's a solution in search of a problem. It's the iOS team finding something to do to justify a yearly upgrade to iOS.
 

TonyC28

macrumors 68030
Aug 15, 2009
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USA
Huh? This notification process isn’t a bug. It’s how apple intended and I’m not sure what you’re upgrading but I’ve never had major issues and haven’t had them with this update either. Everything is smooth
Maybe it was in another post you didn't quote, but this person didn't say it was a "bug", they said it was a problem. In my opinion, that problem is that the user experience is now hindered. It may not be a bug in that it was not unintentional, but it's still stupid. It may be smooth and functioning as intended, but that doesn't make it good.
 

rhett7660

macrumors G5
Jan 9, 2008
14,383
4,506
Sunny, Southern California
Do we know if this was how it was done in beta? I am not a tester, and given how many posts here and throughout other sites, this is being discussed, shame on the beta testers if this wasn't reported. If it was, was it reported enough in order for Apple to change their mind?!
 

Poppaduck

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Maybe it was in another post you didn't quote, but this person didn't say it was a "bug", they said it was a problem. In my opinion, that problem is that the user experience is now hindered. It may not be a bug in that it was not unintentional, but it's still stupid. It may be smooth and functioning as intended, but that doesn't make it good.
Maybe it was in another post you didn't quote, but this person didn't say it was a "bug", they said it was a problem. In my opinion, that problem is that the user experience is now hindered. It may not be a bug in that it was not unintentional, but it's still stupid. It may be smooth and functioning as intended, but that doesn't make it good.
Huh. The person 100% it has to be a bug. Here is the quote

decypher44 said:
Agree 100%. It makes zero sense. Has to be a bug.
 

TonyC28

macrumors 68030
Aug 15, 2009
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USA
Huh. The person 100% it has to be a bug. Here is the quote

decypher44 said:
Agree 100%. It makes zero sense. Has to be a bug.
Screen Shot 2022-09-14 at 10.28.02 AM.png

I was referencing this one. My point is that a lot of us think it is an issue/problem and are fully aware that it isn't a bug.
 

decypher44

macrumors 68000
Feb 24, 2007
1,813
2,987
Orange County, CA
Do we know if this was how it was done in beta? I am not a tester, and given how many posts here and throughout other sites, this is being discussed, shame on the beta testers if this wasn't reported. If it was, was it reported enough in order for Apple to change their mind?!
Someone mentioned the other day that it was being brought up by other beta testers.
 
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iStorm

macrumors 68020
Sep 18, 2012
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Someone mentioned the other day that it was being brought up by other beta testers.
I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here, but I kinda wonder if the beta program is broken. We have those that install the beta and participate in giving feedback (thanks/kudos to those!); and then we have those that install the beta just to play with shiny new software and not actively participate, which I would suspect is a large majority.

If only there was a way to force people to give feedback or have them complete surveys/polls if they want to use the beta... This is sort of how it is at my work when developing/testing new enterprise applications. "Want to join the pilot program? Be prepared to answer weekly or bi-weekly surveys and give feedback."
 

addamas

macrumors 65816
Apr 20, 2016
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1,342
Where can we really point to Apple that this is screwed up?

- Feedback app probably will be unread (but they fixed small bug I reported in WatchOS 8 with version 9 without telling :) ).
Can be opened by this page in Shortcut / Safari:
applefeedback://
- Apple discuss is censored…

Edit from 14.09 when tried to open one already started discussion.
Not my fault I don’t live in USA 😂
 

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AMTYVLE

macrumors 6502a
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Sep 23, 2014
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Where can we really point to Apple that this is screwed up?

- Feedback app probably will be unread (but they fixed small bug I reported in WatchOS 8 with version 9 without telling :) ).
Can be opened by this page in Shortcut / Safari:

- Apple discuss is censored…

Stupid suggestion? But maybe MacRumors can make an article out of my thread here to put on the Front Page to get some more attention.....I'm sure people who work at Apple visit this site and it can get relayed back to Development. IDK 🤷‍♂️🤪
 

ScubaCinci

macrumors 68000
Jul 11, 2008
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Stupid suggestion? But maybe MacRumors can make an article out of my thread here to put on the Front Page to get some more attention.....I'm sure people who work at Apple visit this site and it can get relayed back to Development. IDK 🤷‍♂️🤪
I kinda expected that to happen but then again, I kinda expected more people to be PO'd about it.
 

BigBlur

macrumors 6502a
Jul 9, 2021
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I might have found a solution I'm happy with...

Settings -> Accessibility -> Touch -> Back Tap -> Double Tap (or Triple Tap) -> Notification Center​

Now when I tap on the back of my phone...bada-bing, bada-bang, bada-boom...the Notification Center! It's not hidden and no need to scroll up. My notifications are right there.

(Still think the top-left swipe down action should just go directly to the Notification Center instead of the Lock Screen though.)
 

Yptcn

macrumors 68020
Aug 24, 2012
2,160
1,190
Paris
I might have found a solution I'm happy with...

Settings -> Accessibility -> Touch -> Back Tap -> Double Tap (or Triple Tap) -> Notification Center​

Now when I tap on the back of my phone...bada-bing, bada-bang, bada-boom...the Notification Center! It's not hidden and no need to scroll up. My notifications are right there.

(Still think the top-left swipe down action should just go directly to the Notification Center instead of the Lock Screen though.)
Works great ! Thanks for the great idea 💡
 
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AMTYVLE

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Sep 23, 2014
704
618
Florida
I might have found a solution I'm happy with...

Settings -> Accessibility -> Touch -> Back Tap -> Double Tap (or Triple Tap) -> Notification Center​

Now when I tap on the back of my phone...bada-bing, bada-bang, bada-boom...the Notification Center! It's not hidden and no need to scroll up. My notifications are right there.

(Still think the top-left swipe down action should just go directly to the Notification Center instead of the Lock Screen though.)
I forgot all about the Back Tap function. I just implemented it for my Notifications…this will work until Apple (if they even do) address the Notification hassle in 16.

Thanks for that work around!
 
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GlenK

macrumors 65816
Aug 1, 2013
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932
St. Augustine, FL
I might have found a solution I'm happy with...

Settings -> Accessibility -> Touch -> Back Tap -> Double Tap (or Triple Tap) -> Notification Center​

Now when I tap on the back of my phone...bada-bing, bada-bang, bada-boom...the Notification Center! It's not hidden and no need to scroll up. My notifications are right there.

(Still think the top-left swipe down action should just go directly to the Notification Center instead of the Lock Screen though.)
Thanks, works great. I have never used the back tap feature.
 
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